I just got a canned response from Sen. E. Warren

[Jman8]

Let's deconstruct it, shall we?

Thank you for contacting me to express your support for the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act, legislation introduced in the House of Representatives to loosen tobacco regulations proposed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Perhaps the only thing that is true in the whole letter. So, that's a good start.

As you know, earlier this year, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) released a proposed deeming rule that would make e-cigarettes and other tobacco products subject to tobacco Control Act regulations.

Nope, wasn't this year, as you know. But the rest or gist of the rest is accurate.

There are a lot of things the e-cigarette makers won't tell us, including how much nicotine or other chemicals are in their products.

Every vendor I (and pretty much all others) have bought from tell the amount of nicotine in their product, which is for pretty much all consumers the main concern. So, very inaccurate on that one. Some do tell about ALL other chemicals in their products, and most tell / list the ingredients.

Even if they told about ALL chemicals, I highly doubt 98% of the population would even understand what is being conveyed to them and am skeptical that anyone, including scientists, would have accurate knowledge on how those chemicals affect consumers. Put another way, I do have more faith in anecdotal evidence than the bias of science when it comes to this, but as EW isn't even addressing this, I'm perhaps just ranting to myself.

Anyway, this is first of several significant inaccuracies in the letter.

But we do know that e-cigarettes are being marketed aggressively by tobacco companies,

I'm yet to see an aggressive eCig/vaping campaign. I've seen ads, but if that counts for "aggressively marketed" then all advertisers (of all products/services) are aggressively marketing. Lawyers, insurance companies and auto dealers are in a whole other stratosphere of aggression.

including marketing them directly to children, resulting in a troubling rise in e-cigarette use among teenagers.

I already addressed this. I'd love to see you called out on this EW. I hope you can back this up. I doubt you can and is why I'd love to see you called out on it.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently found that 10 percent of middle and high school students – or 1.78 million children – used e-cigarettes in 2012, double the e-cigarette use among this age group in 2011. This is especially troubling given that nicotine, whether delivered through a traditional cigarette or an e-cigarette, is highly addictive, and we don't know the long term health effects of e-cigarettes on users and people around users.

Highly addictive is highly exaggerated. We have no long term data on anything that's come along in the last 10 years. But I'll give credit for half truth that is poorly reasoned on this one.

I support the FDA's proposed rule that would require e-cigarettes and other tobacco products to comply with certain regulations, including a ban on sales to minors, a requirement to disclose all ingredients, and a requirement to display a health warning on product packages and advertisements. Because it is important that all applicable products are covered by this regulation in order to create a fair and transparent market, I do not support efforts like the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act to change the "grandfather date" and exempt more products from Tobacco Control Act regulations.

Thank you for alienating many vapers on this. I hope those who would otherwise support your version of politics finally wake up and realize you are not really looking out for them, but are looking out for those aggressive companies that will survive FDA deeming, and that will line your pockets, or your fellow democrat representatives. Must be nice.

Although we disagree about this issue, I appreciate your contacting me to share your views and hope that you will reach out to me again in the future about issues of importance to you or if my office can be of assistance.

Sincerely,

Signature

Elizabeth Warren
United States Senator

Eyes roll. Sigh. And "whatever."

 

[Liskrig]

Let's deconstruct it, shall we?

This was just lovely! Thanks for taking the time to break that up (no sarcasm)

 

[puffon]

This letter show us how uninformed the people are, that will be creating laws, for all to follow.

 

[bobwho77]

After sending a slightly modified version of the text CASSA drafted for the email to send to state representatives, I Just received this back from the office of Elizabeth Warren



She is blatantly wrong. She wouldn't be more wrong if her name was Wrong W. Wrongenstien. Frustrating.


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Given the volume of correspondence a Senator probably receives id think it much more likely that your email was answered by one of her staff.
I've made it a point to know where my Congress critter's district office is located. I also have no problem with stopping by that office to discuss my opinions/issues IN PERSON
Does it always work? No, but at least I KNOW my voice was heard
It's kind of disappointing. I actually agree with Senator Warren on most things. It would be a shame to lose her voice in the Senate over something like this

 

[pennysmalls]

It would be a shame to see a good senator get the boot over this, but her ignorance on this issue is massive and very damaging. How does one ignore that level of ignorance or purposeful lying? I don't know which it is with her but either way it's unacceptable.

 

[Marc411]

I'm with pennysmalls, it is their responsibility to represent us. With the growing scientific evidence being released every day her response is nothing more then propaganda. They should be doing the appropriate research on this topic and at the very least be able to speak to it somewhat intelligently.

Senator Boxer stated in the Hearing with BT on June 19, 14 that she shouldn't touch a bottle of e-liquid, not nicotine a finished product because it was poison. Really?

Then I should have been dead 1 year and 8 months ago when I started vaping. I was a wreck and can't tell you the number of times I got liquid on my hands. It still happens today every time I break down a tank to clean it. Pure and simple, it's either ignorance on the topic and she is just a lair.

Or..... she needs to protect the $727 million dollars of MSA money they received in 2014. It would be a damn shame to stop getting that check, even if people would continue to get lung cancer and die. Damn, I almost forgot the part in between, the med's from BP that the sick will have to use until they pass away.

She also stated that there was no proof that vaping assisted in people quitting conventional cigarettes. Do you believe she has revisited the published science to prove her statement inaccurate. If they do not represent us honestly, without bias and use the data available to them on just one piece of legislation they should be voted out of office. Their only purpose in that elected position is to represent us, failing to do so should result in them having to find another job.

 

[Kent C]

It would be a shame to see a good senator get the boot over this, but her ignorance on this issue is massive and very damaging. How does one ignore that level of ignorance or purposeful lying? I don't know which it is with her but either way it's unacceptable.

Some equate purposeful lying with "good".

 

[bobwho77]

It would be a shame to see a good senator get the boot over this, but her ignorance on this issue is massive and very damaging. How does one ignore that level of ignorance or purposeful lying? I don't know which it is with her but either way it's unacceptable.

Our elected officials deal with a great number of issues on a daily basis. It isn't realistic to expect them to be well informed about ALL of them all the time (although it's especially disappointing/frustrating to find that they've neglected their homework on one of OUR pet issues)
Our job as VOTERS is often to educate our representatives on issues that are important to us, and make clear our opinions on those issues.
In this age of money driven politics it doesn't work the way it should all the time but it's the best we can do

 

[nicnik]

Our elected officials deal with a great number of issues on a daily basis. It isn't realistic to expect them to be well informed about ALL of them all the time (although it's especially disappointing/frustrating to find that they've neglected their homework on one of OUR pet issues)
Our job as VOTERS is often to educate our representatives on issues that are important to us, and make clear our opinions on those issues.
In this age of money driven politics it doesn't work the way it should all the time but it's the best we can do

But Senator Warren is much worse than misinformed. She is misinforming the public, and has now taken a leadership role in attemting to destroy vaping.

It's one thing to be ignorant on an issue, but to take something so important, so hotly debated, and so obviously being lied about by one side of the debate, and go running full steam ahead in high level involvement in a horribly corrupt agenda, that is damaging lives, and threatens to cause major destruction, is not at all excused by the "great number of issues on a daily basis" she has to deal with.

The best thing about Elizabeth Warren's work is her anti-corruprion agenda, but it is greatly compromised with this corrupt anti-Tobacco Harm Reduction mission, that has millions of lives at risk.