I just got a GGTS but can't vape with it.

[JDL]

Well I realize that you like them after all you sell them...

however max discharge rate on them is still <.55A ... 4.5Ω hv atty at 6V is 1.33A and a standard 2.3Ω joye atty at 6V is 2.61A ...so if you wanna stack LiFePo4 batteries in a tube that are prone to being overdrained and up their chance of failure I suppose that's your priority...

There's better 3V LiFePo4 batteries out there though...ones that don't have a max drain rate that's exceeded by the amp draw of any atty at 6V...

boggles my mind that someone would take a $200 mod and then put lower end batteries in it because they're cheap...

NO I was going to buy those tenergy batteries anyway. I found them cheaper else where. I admit I have no clue what the best batteries are I figured if Rob sold them they would be great for the GG. I found a package deal that saved me some money for the same exact stuff.

Thanks for the battery info. I'll check it out when I need replacements.

 

[JDL]

Drozd,

I've had great luck with the LiFePo4's myself...I prefer them over the li-ion any day.

JDL - you'll get your items tomorrow and be back in business!

I am back in business Rob. Thanks a lot. I like these 901 HV attys. Thanks to all who chimed in and tried to help this GG newb.

 

[motorcity57]

actually 2 tips. buy yourself a multi-meter, you can get a cheap one under 10$. it comes in handy for knowing whats going on with all the parts of a vape device.
get a drip tip on your 901,

 

[imeothanasis]

Who needs a tip drip after AFS my friend motor?

 

[JDL]

Yeah I know I need to get the AFS eventually. Multi-meter? ok first time I heard of that. Thanks for the tips guys.

 

[imeothanasis]

Yeah I know I need to get the AFS eventually. Multi-meter? ok first time I heard of that. Thanks for the tips guys.

a multimeter is not so good JDL for batteries because it will maybe show you that batteries are full charged but they will not work so its not what you want, But multimeter is good to meassure the resistance of an atty

 

[Drozd]

My liking them has nothing to do with the fact that I sell them. I use them day in and day out...several pair I have had going non-stop daily use for 3 months.

Do you have a link showing the specs on the AW? Nothing I find shows the suggested max drain.

Sorry I was out of town and just gor back to this...

The AW dealer over on CPF has a thread discussing them and states that they can be drained up to 10C safely...
but I'm answering from my phone so I don't have the link to the page available...

 

[motorcity57]

i use my multi-meter not so much to measure voltage.i use it to check resistance in my atty's. but i really need it when my vape device quits. it's the only way i know of to test for continuity. i guess i could take the atty off and hold the end to my tounge while depressing the button to see if i get a tingle,lol. serious though a cheap multi-meter is a must have.

IMEO, i do like the AFS, and have thought of getting one, anyone have feedback on AFS as to ease of use, changeing flavors, emptying and refilling AFS??

 

[mwa102464]

These are the specs I see on these batts you speak of and nowhere can I find this 10c specification whichmakes me not believe this Drozd, im not saying they cant, dont, or maybe you speak of a different batt that I cant find the specs on, however I too have been using the Tenergy 3v 750 mAh and the Tenergy 900mAh 3v batts for months with all my GG'S that take 6v and find them to be the best on the market that I have found please get back to me on this and let me know where you have ever seen this 10c spec you speak of, Thanks Drozd

AW 3.2 Volt RCR123 Protected Battery - 3.2 volt max output - DO NOT USE TWO OF THESE WITH INCANDESCENT LAMPS. Charge these batteries with UltraFire 3 volt / 3.6 volt charger on the 3 volt setting only.

These are new generation R123 with safe chemistry that will not vent with flames (explode). The key to this safety feature is that no oxygen will be released from the oxide structure of the cell composition even under abused conditions. No oxygen means no pressure built up and fuel for combustion. Can be used in series in two-cell applications, but NOT with 6 volt incandescent bulbs.

Specifications :
Nominal Voltage : 3.2V

Capacity : 500mAH
Lowest Discharge Voltage : 2.0V
Standard Charge : CC 250mA CV 3.6V
Cycle Life : > 500 cycles

Note: Do not discharge below 2V. Cells will be damaged when discharged below 2V.

 

[imeothanasis]

i use my multi-meter not so much to measure voltage.i use it to check resistance in my atty's. but i really need it when my vape device quits. it's the only way i know of to test for continuity. i guess i could take the atty off and hold the end to my tounge while depressing the button to see if i get a tingle,lol. serious though a cheap multi-meter is a must have.

IMEO, i do like the AFS, and have thought of getting one, anyone have feedback on AFS as to ease of use, changeing flavors, emptying and refilling AFS??

I agree, a multimeter is a must motor.
You can very easy change flavors on AFS by opening it cap, putting the rest of liquid in a bottle and refilling with the new flavor

 

[mwa102464]

If I want to change up flavors I use my syringe to draw out whats left and then drip that little bit into another GG works great

 

[Lisaf01]

Sorry I was out of town and just gor back to this...

The AW dealer over on CPF has a thread discussing them and states that they can be drained up to 10C safely...
but I'm answering from my phone so I don't have the link to the page available...

These are the specs I see on these batts you speak of and nowhere can I find this 10c specification whichmakes me not believe this Drozd, im not saying they cant, dont, or maybe you speak of a different batt that I cant find the specs on, however I too have been using the Tenergy 3v 750 mAh and the Tenergy 900mAh 3v batts for months with all my GG'S that take 6v and find them to be the best on the market that I have found please get back to me on this and let me know where you have ever seen this 10c spec you speak of, Thanks Drozd

AW 3.2 Volt RCR123 Protected Battery - 3.2 volt max output - DO NOT USE TWO OF THESE WITH INCANDESCENT LAMPS. Charge these batteries with UltraFire 3 volt / 3.6 volt charger on the 3 volt setting only.

These are new generation R123 with safe chemistry that will not vent with flames (explode). The key to this safety feature is that no oxygen will be released from the oxide structure of the cell composition even under abused conditions. No oxygen means no pressure built up and fuel for combustion. Can be used in series in two-cell applications, but NOT with 6 volt incandescent bulbs.

Specifications :
Nominal Voltage : 3.2V

Capacity : 500mAH
Lowest Discharge Voltage : 2.0V
Standard Charge : CC 250mA CV 3.6V
Cycle Life : > 500 cycles

Note: Do not discharge below 2V. Cells will be damaged when discharged below 2V.

I think there seems to be some confusion between AW's different battery types here.

By far the best quality LiFePOs I've found are the Tenergy 750mAh ones that both Rob and I have been using for months. We are not "pushing them" because we sell them, we're suggesting them because they are the best we've found.

I think the hi-drain and the protected batteries from AW are indeed better than most others on the market, but they are 3.7V and if we're talking about 3.0V (or 3.2V) then the Tenergys are better.

 

[Drozd]

These are the specs I see on these batts you speak of and nowhere can I find this 10c specification whichmakes me not believe this Drozd, im not saying they cant, dont, or maybe you speak of a different batt that I cant find the specs on, however I too have been using the Tenergy 3v 750 mAh and the Tenergy 900mAh 3v batts for months with all my GG'S that take 6v and find them to be the best on the market that I have found please get back to me on this and let me know where you have ever seen this 10c spec you speak of, Thanks Drozd

I believe I sent you a response to a Pm you sent me about this.. I've gotten the answer directly from the AW dealer directly on CPF forum..

I think there seems to be some confusion between AW's different battery types here.

By far the best quality LiFePOs I've found are the Tenergy 750mAh ones that both Rob and I have been using for months. We are not "pushing them" because we sell them, we're suggesting them because they are the best we've found.

I think the hi-drain and the protected batteries from AW are indeed better than most others on the market, but they are 3.7V and if we're talking about 3.0V (or 3.2V) then the Tenergys are better.

I'm not confusing battery types at all...my big concern is that the amp draw of whichever atty at whichever voltage does not exceed the max drain of the battery...doing so overstresses the battery cutting down on duty cycles and storage capacity..

Worst case senarios...a 1.5Ω atty at 3.7V has an amp draw of 2.47A....or a 2.3Ω atty at 6V has an amp draw of 2.61A (and a 4.5Ω atty an amp draw of 1.33)
from: Tenergy LiFePO4 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh Rechargeable Battery

New Chemistry LiFePO4 Li-Ion batteries:

• Rechargeable LiFePO4 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAhBattery
• Life cycle: 2000 times (Traditional Li-ion: 500 times)
• Never explode or catch fire
• Working Voltage:3.2V and Peak Voltage: 3.6V
• Charging cut-off voltage: 3.6V
• Discharge cut-off voltage: 2.2V
• Please never overdischarge battery below 2.2V/cell
• Charge the this battery with LiFePO4 RCR123A smart charger.
• Capacity: 750 mAh
• Maximum discharging rate:< 550 mA
• Maximum charge current: <550 mA
• Cell's dimension: 17mm Dia. x 34.5mm H.
• Weight: 0.6 oz (18 grams).

so the tenergy batteries we're overstressing a rediculous amount (just compare .55A to 1.33A or worst case 2.61A)

Now, there's the AW Li-Ion, LiMN, and the 3V LiFePo4 (Like here: NEW R123 with safe chemistry - CPFMarketPlace (where in post #15 the AW dealer says they can be discharged up to 10C without damage))
so if the equasion for figuring max drain rate holds true they're capable of up to a 5A draw without damage to the cell ...

For me and my money the only acceptable batteries are:
for 3.7V... any 18650 (though my preference is for the AW, there are reported problems with the trustfire 2400 and the UF 3000)... or the AW 3.7V LiMN 16340 high drain..
for 6V ...stacked AW 3V liFePo4 16340s
for 7.4V... stacked AW 3.7V LiMN 16340 high drain..

 

[Lisaf01]

Now, there's the AW Li-Ion, LiMN, and the 3V LiFePo4 (Like here: NEW R123 with safe chemistry - CPFMarketPlace (where in post #15 the AW dealer says they can be discharged up to 10C without damage))

He's talking about LiFePOs in general which applies equally to the Tenergy ones.

 

[T-Hefner]

I think there seems to be some confusion between AW's different battery types here.

By far the best quality LiFePOs I've found are the Tenergy 750mAh ones that both Rob and I have been using for months. We are not "pushing them" because we sell them, we're suggesting them because they are the best we've found.

I think the hi-drain and the protected batteries from AW are indeed better than most others on the market, but they are 3.7V and if we're talking about 3.0V (or 3.2V) then the Tenergys are better.

Lisa,
Correct. I would agree that the Tenergy Lifepo 750mahs are the best by far lifepo batteries I have used. I have used a few, and the tenergys seem to last forever. They outlast other lifepo's too...and REALLY outlast li-ion batteries.

I also like AW batteries......Good overall batteries.....cant go wrong.


-Tim

 

[Drozd]

He's talking about LiFePOs in general which applies equally to the Tenergy ones.

except the tenergy ones specifically state a max discharge rate of <550mA... so that wouldn't apply equally..and we've seen evidence of as much with other devices around this forum...where thy just don't have enough to them to actually run a 510 atty reliably at 6V..

anyway no matter to me..I've no vested interest in either company...bottom line is I think the tenergy batteries are crap batteries and won't ever use them, nor promote their use... theres been enough reports around to substantiate this theory in my eyes..

 

[Lisaf01]

except the tenergy ones specifically state a max discharge rate of <550mA... so that wouldn't apply equally..and we've seen evidence of as much with other devices around this forum...where thy just don't have enough to them to actually run a 510 atty reliably at 6V..

ah, but the AW ones don't specifically state ANY max discharge rate.

All Andrew (AW) stated was "RC people have been discharging PO4 cells routinely up to 10C without any problem to the cells" He did not say that this statement related to his particular cells and he also has never specifically listed the max discharge rate of his own LiFePOs.

As to which batteries should be used on lower resistance atomisers, well, certainly the AW IMR seem to be the most properly specified for this application, yes. LiFePOs of any kind, they aren't specced for it, but they might work, but outside their stated/advertised limits.

 

[mre5674]

Hey Guys,

I must jump in, and let everyone know I received 32 OF THE TENERGY - 3v LiFePO's direct from Tenergy...None of them worked when charger stated them as fully charged. 510 atty was what I was also using. Talked to the Tech at Tenergy, and he was baffled as well...I sent them all back, got the AW's, and have had 0 problems...If anyone wants 0 problems out of the box with any GG compatible battery...I HIGHLY recommend AW...Also, I know they're expensive...BUT, I LOVE my Pila charger...As for the 3v charger, I have my secret weapon...on the expensive side as well, but MUCH better than any other charger out there..I'll let everyone know about said charger as soon as I meet with the manufacture...Best - Mr.e

P.S. - I opted not to take my GG to China, as advised about the ban in Hong Kong...SO JEALOUS of all you...NEVER TAKE YOUR GG FOR GRANTED!!! OR YOUR RIGHT TO VAPE!!!! I'm sucking on a few CRAP ANALOGUES : ( With the pollution here in Beijing, I don't think it is making much of a difference...Anyhow, been missing the Forum as usual when I travel, but truly enjoying Asia...Cheers!!!

 

[imeothanasis]

Hey Guys,

I must jump in, and let everyone know I received 32 OF THE TENERGY - 3v LiFePO's direct from Tenergy...None of them worked when charger stated them as fully charged. 510 atty was what I was also using. Talked to the Tech at Tenergy, and he was baffled as well...I sent them all back, got the AW's, and have had 0 problems...If anyone wants 0 problems out of the box with any GG compatible battery...I HIGHLY recommend AW...Also, I know they're expensive...BUT, I LOVE my Pila charger...As for the 3v charger, I have my secret weapon...on the expensive side as well, but MUCH better than any other charger out there..I'll let everyone know about said charger as soon as I meet with the manufacture...Best - Mr.e

P.S. - I opted not to take my GG to China, as advised about the ban in Hong Kong...SO JEALOUS of all you...NEVER TAKE YOUR GG FOR GRANTED!!! OR YOUR RIGHT TO VAPE!!!! I'm sucking on a few CRAP ANALOGUES : ( With the pollution here in Beijing, I don't think it is making much of a difference...Anyhow, been missing the Forum as usual when I travel, but truly enjoying Asia...Cheers!!!

have a nice trip mwa my friend. Enjoy it as much as you can

 

[SSRob]

I also contacted AW and they told me 2~2.5a max possible draw.

I also ordered a battery analyzer so we'll all know very soon what ALL the batteries can or can't do.