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The Cloud Minder

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Thank you Flamingo Tutu...

I am kind if at a loss for words right now. Its the first time I've been accused of being antz-esque whattta hell wow what a disconnect.

This thread began with someone who was afraid they'd fail at quitting cigs because of fear their vape gear wasnt enough or would break. The op was concerned about whether to buy more batteries and backup gear or more cigarettes, and that led to folks giving good advice on having backup gear and will power to finally quit etc.

Some feel the best way to really quit is to finally have the will power to do so and not go back. Some are afraid to let go of their cigs and have success at that, but some of these same people end up failing eventually because they have the alternative within reach and fall victim to temptation.

My post was an attempt to address that "fear factor", which can be overcome by transferring the "supply on hand" worries or "fear factor" to being mindful of what e-liquids and gear one has on hand INSTEAD of whether or not they have some cigarettes stashed away.

My poking a little tease at AndriaD was just that and not meant to offend her. The post was just an attempt to use a little humor to begin what I had thought was a fairly thorough explaination of the "fear factor" will power situation which I was trying to convey. It was speaking to everyone reading the thread including the op, and I still stand behind what I wrote, and yes I was trying to rally folks on to total zero cigarettes sucess. I just wish it hadnt been so horribly misunderstood as to think it was somehow encouraging failure. I mean ... ???

Perhaps you FEAR cigarrettes so much, you can't tolerate them in your house because you are AFRAID you would smoke them.

It takes more courage to avoid a present danger, than to remove the danger.
 

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Fear of lung cancer. Nuff said?

Yes, definite motivator. Go out and do some research on smoking and what it does to the body every time you think you want an analog cig. Emphysema, lung disease, the list goes on.

DIY juice is a "no brainer" for the vaper on a budget... I too spend around 10 to 20 bucks per month now that I'm all set up. Your batteries are fine, as is your clearo! Just make sure you keep an extra charger in the house/car, or wherever you might need it. You can do this!!! All you have to do is DO IT!!! Now, go do it.
 

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Did you not just say yesterday that you would break even in 2025? :lol: (This from another thread where he was poking fun at himself so please, no one take offense.)

When you quit smoking and start vaping, you have a way better chance to break even! Lot's more days to divide by! :)
 

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After 34 years of rolling the dice that one was at the bottom of my list.

Yeah, me too. It kinda sorta jumped to the top after living for six months with my dying-of-lung-cancer (yet still smoking) stepfather. I'm not going out that way. If it comes to that, I'll take the emergency exit, thanks.
 

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In all fairness, I don't think that's what he wants at all. He sounds like someone who is still "high," and in disbelief/shock, on having kicked a 40 years habit. I sure as hell don't want you to fail and didn't see it as him wanting you to fail when reading his post, though I had to reread the beginning twice to make sure. I think he misread your post and got overenthusiastic rallying you on to continued success. :lol: If you can get past the misunderstanding, it is a good post, IMHO. You leave those cigs right where they are. I had some lying around for a bit, then stuck them under the faucet and ripped them to shreds. I know me. Gotta do what works for you.

They're behind the box that contains my small bottles of nicotine -- so the only time I even see them is when I'm increasing my stash -- and then I just smile, since I feel zero compulsion to grab 'em and fire one up. :D

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They're behind the box that contains my small bottles of nicotine -- so the only time I even see them is when I'm increasing my stash -- and then I just smile, since I feel zero compulsion to grab 'em and fire one up. :D

Andria

Apart from the usual "they taste like crap" they probably taste extra like crap now, being so old.
 

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Thank you Flamingo Tutu...

I am kind if at a loss for words right now. Its the first time I've been accused of being antz-esque whattta hell wow what a disconnect.

This thread began with someone who was afraid they'd fail at quitting cigs because of fear their vape gear wasnt enough or would break. The op was concerned about whether to buy more batteries and backup gear or more cigarettes, and that led to folks giving good advice on having backup gear and will power to finally quit etc.

Some feel the best way to really quit is to finally have the will power to do so and not go back. Some are afraid to let go of their cigs and have success at that, but some of these same people end up failing eventually because they have the alternative within reach and fall victim to temptation.

My post was an attempt to address that "fear factor", which can be overcome by transferring the "supply on hand" worries or "fear factor" to being mindful of what e-liquids and gear one has on hand INSTEAD of whether or not they have some cigarettes stashed away.

My poking a little tease at AndriaD was just that and not meant to offend her. The post was just an attempt to use a little humor to begin what I had thought was a fairly thorough explaination of the "fear factor" will power situation which I was trying to convey. It was speaking to everyone reading the thread including the op, and I still stand behind what I wrote, and yes I was trying to rally folks on to total zero cigarettes sucess. I just wish it hadnt been so horribly misunderstood as to think it was somehow encouraging failure. I mean ... ???


Just telling a fear "go away" does not make it go away.

When I quit the first time, at the end of Feb, I kept a no-need-to-panic stash for 56 days, then, because I had a neighbor at the time who was CONSTANTLY badgering me to bum a smoke, I gave them to him. Not even a week later, this BUM sees me at the mailbox, and sez "so, you don't have anymore cigarettes?" Man, I went off like Vesuvius -- "I TOLD YOU I HAD QUIT, THOSE I GAVE YOU LAST WEEK WERE THE VERY LAST I HAD! EITHER GET A JOB OR QUIT SMOKING!!!"

But, all in all, I did ok without that panic stash -- no compulsions, no resentments, just deliriously happy about having quit. I began suffering some problems with foot/ankle swelling, which I thought might be related to vaping, but I wasn't sure how. But I kept on vaping, even as the problem got worse and more painful every day that went by.

When I had been smoke-free for 109 days, I suffered a full day of abdominal pain and nausea, and that night the abdominal pain became UNENDURABLE AGONY so I went to the hospital -- acute appendicitis. I was in the e-room about 9 hrs before they FINALLY got me to surgery, but since the treatment e-rooms in my local hospital are pvt rooms with doors, I was able to stealth vape, once the morphine sank in enough that I could MOVE without screaming. They did a laparoscopic surgery, so, because I had been smoke-free for 110 days at that point, and had clear lungs and ZERO complications from surgery, I got to go home the same day. Feeling fine -- thank you, morpine and residual sodium pentothal. Naturally, I'm vaping away, happy as a non-smoking clam.

Now... let's skip right over the next 4 days of nausea/vomiting hell, when I could not vape, did not want to vape, got sick all over again just from the THOUGHT of vaping, I was so godawful sick. See me sitting at the kitchen table, finally able to get out of bed (shakily), somehow make it to the kitchen -- with vape in hand! -- but every hit tastes like tee-total dog poop, because EVERYTHING! tasted like tee-total dog poop at that point. I try to eat, because after 4 days of eating NOTHING, I *have to*. I can get maybe 3-4 bites down before I'm completely full; even one more bite would make me sick all over again. So I drink some pepsi, just to give my body some sugar if nothing else -- still trying my damndest to vape, but it STILL tastes just godawful. Not in pain... the nausea has mercifully abated... but I can barely eat, vaping is horrible, I have ........ from hell... and guess what shows up? Cigarette cravings, I don't mean the thought, "oh, a cigarette would be nice," I mean the demon-from-hell voice that ROARS "SMOKE RIGHT NOW SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE RIGHT NOW SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE RIIIIIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!" And it suddenly occurred to me... I HAD NO CIGARETTES IN THE HOUSE!!!!!

Instant, massive, panic. Instant, massive rage. Instant, massive tearful breakdown, after all I had been thru in the last week, NOW the damn cigarette cravings are hitting and hitting and hitting, and I DON'T HAVE ANY CIGARETTES I CAN EVEN BARGAIN WITH MYSELF WITH! So I ran to my husband and SCREAMED "I quit with e-cigs because it was EASY!!!!!! BUT I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS!!!!!!!" So, he went and got me some cigarettes, and I smoked them, and although I didn't quit vaping, and within a couple weeks, it started tasting ok again, and I discovered coconut water and got the foot/ankle swelling under control... it still took me a month to go back to not smoking. And when I finally smoked my last one, I had the same number of cigarettes left in the pack as I had given to that next-door dummy, and I thought, this can't be a coincidence -- so I stuck them in a ziplock and put them in my freezer. So that if there is EVER a "next time" of cravings like that, I can bargain with myself, and very likely, bargain myself right out of smoking them. Because during that month of smoking, I acquired some WTA, and when those awful cravings came back at 10 days smoke-free, I added WTA -- and the cravings COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED. I didn't panic, I didn't get mad, because I knew it if got bad enough, I had some cigs I *could* smoke... but the WTA meant I didn't have to.

So, please don't tell me how to work my non-smoking. I know what works for me, and what absolutely DOES NOT work, and getting all the cigarettes out of my house would just make me PANIC, and then make me MAD!!! And then I would get cigarettes and smoke them because I refuse to be coerced!

Andria
 

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... and that's the way it is.
 

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I still have a pack of smokes in my truck that have been there 7 months! :) I simply forget they are there. Just make sure your batteries are fresh and that you have spare everything :D Cigs are way easier of course but vaping is way better for you. There is always give and take with everything. Cigs are worse for you but very easy. Vaping is better for you and requires more attention ... I'd make that trade any time
 

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Apart from the usual "they taste like crap" they probably taste extra like crap now, being so old.

I dunno, to be honest. My dad always kept his cigarettes in the freezer, so I figured if there was any way at all to keep them viable, ziplock in the freezer was probably it. I hope I never need to find out; just knowing they're there, takes the pressure off. That, and the WTA. ;) It's a multi-pronged assault on this so-and-so of a habit. Frankly I never imagined I'd be free of it, so I count my blessings every morning when I'm topping off my tank, changing my battery, changing my carto, or whatever needs doing -- there is so little pressure to hurry up and vape, compared to the old days when I could barely stand the delay just to dress so I could go outside!

Andria
 

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After a week of no cigarettes I still had a carton in a drawer which I would give away about a pack a week to visitors.
My backup plan was disposable cigalikes which I had a few and which were available a pharmacies..

Now;; cigalikes would be a backup plan anymore lol!
I've got a 5-pack of miniaerotanks for that.
(and 4 protank2's.... and a 10-pack of replacement glass for the protank2's.. and 10 spare protank coils in original sealed package).
 
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