I myself am getting tired of being a follower....

[tdwave]

Not being a great writer i am sure that i will not be able to get the whole thought out and written here, But here it goes..
People please consider...
All throughout these forums i keep reading, don't make waves, be nice to everyone, don't force our E-CIG's on anyone... don't call em Cigs. We are even now trying to create a passive world to please everyone else but us.
We can demand also...
I guarantee you this... If you don't stand up for yourself and E-CIGarettes (i refer to them as this because this is what the public is being feed anyway). YOU .... ME..... AND EVERYONE ELSE is going down... cause we will be politically correct and succumb to the power..
Create controversy... We are watching wrongful and bad publicity about us anyway.. And we know that we are right..
Good or bad publicity gets more press and media..gives us more of a opportunity to state our case... The FDA and certain other org. can talk to the masses.. Well you try it... My vote is to just stand up for your right and don't be a mouse...(being nice here). NO, i am not a activist. Just watched all my life at things that i know are right and see them thrown under the rug cause some uptight ....... has more power than me...
PLEASE JUST THINK A LITTLE.. I know there are pros and cons to this, but without a fight we are going to be following wrongful laws that are wrong..
I am sure there is much more to write about but
thank you....

 

[Shortstuff116]

I agree with you. I will not go out of my way to 'hide' my vaping and whenever/wherever I get the urge to vape I will do so. At the same time I am not going to vape outwardly and openly where I just know it is going to grab the attention of others who I know are in the mood for an argument - it's just not worth it. Those are the ones who are too stubborn to care one way or the other.

What I do is take the time to explain and demonstrate to anyone who is interested exactly what I'm doing and why. Unfortunately, I've also run across a few really, really stubborn smokers along the way as well. I've quickly learned to tell who they are and not to waste my time explaining anything to them.

The interesting thing is that for those non-smokers who I've explained them to, they are satisfied and have no problem with me vaping right beside them.

We're kind of like pioneers and we have to approach the general public both smokers and non-smokers in the right way.

 

[tdwave]

I agree totally with all you wrote. I just feel a kind of wimpyness coming from many here. Like lets not hurt anyone's feelings. Maybe if we are good little children we will be rewarded... No you will just do what our leaders want. I know we all want the same thing with this life saving device, but i just want everyone to stand up and not back down when the occasion does arise..
Ok, just one more thing. i do see occasions where people are blatant about vaping in places that you just don't have to.. Ex: Home dept, Walmart.. come on, please tell me when you were smoking you didn't wait to get back outside... use some common sense.
Yes, there you will create enemies... Even I would be ...... off.

 

[cliff5550]

I agree with you, tdwave, ...mostly. I call them e-cigs and always will. The best way you find them on the internet is by searching that word and that's what noobs and others search out when they want information. There's nothing wrong with that as far as I can see. There are also those who don't want their e-cig to look like the old cig. Why not? It's the new and improved version but we still do it for the nicotine, hand-to-mouth habit, and it is something we all were used to. Speaking of that, there are many who don't want their e-cig to look like the old analog cig. I can see where someone could hate the old analogs so bad that they want nothing to do with anything like them. That's fine with me. I actually like my e-cig looking kinda like the old analog and when it's noticed I can explain the difference to a smoker with a "cig" shape he or she can relate to right away. More complex e-cigs can be explained if they show more interest.
I am not afraid or ashamed of vaping in public and I think my M401 is far sexier than the old paper and leaves crap I once smoked.
I do not obviously vape in many places general smoking is not allowed but I do sneak it out of my pocket from time to time in those places. If someone says somthing, then I begin their introduction to the great world of e-cigs and vaping.

 

[Slickstick]

I want to get in the game as well.

 

[ShadowWulf]

They are ecigs....try and search youtube for ecigs then search for vaporizers....

Apparently people think PV's have an entirely different, illegal, use.

 

[tdwave]

Ok, so not to beat a dead horse here, but i ate my turkey, i am watching the Cowboys take care of the poor turkey Raiders.. No offense intended...
but i swear, i keep going around different threads and the biggest things i am reading is how we have to stop vaping in public, don't call em cigs or anything like that because we will offend non smokers... Well a couple more things. Look at it this way... most of us if not all of us were or are still smokers... so guess what, these people hate you already.. and lets be real, the only reason you started vaping is to try real hard to stop smoking. People that never smoked didn't wake up one day, go on the internet and find a e-cigarette ad and go... holy smokers, i want to do that... And lastly for now.. i would like someone that is forum knowledgeable to start a poll on what people think it should be called PV or E-Cigarette....and how we can inform all that are on here to coome together and stand up and say i am proud (sounds corny but this is what is needed so next time some maniac starts calling the management or the police,, you don't run with your tail between your legs... just please use smoker sense... that is what we are still doing, if you understand my comparison between smoking and vaping. To others it is the same thing... ok enough of me....
Some one take the horn please.. lets make some noise...ha

 

[VapingRulz]

Ok, so not to beat a dead horse here, but i ate my turkey, i am watching the Cowboys take care of the poor turkey Raiders.. No offense intended...
but i swear, i keep going around different threads and the biggest things i am reading is how we have to stop vaping in public, don't call em cigs or anything like that because we will offend non smokers...

I agree with you 100% and I don't hide my vaping when I'm out in public. Why on earth should I? I'm not smoking... period.

 

[jj2]

I pick n choose where I vape in public. I love to spend time in the outside smoking areas explaining the PV. ONLY when I'm showing it off I call it the e-cig because I know if any of them go looking for it on the net then that is what they need to do a search on.
And, yes, I tell them about the forum. Some even write it down, but if they are like me, that piece of paper will get lost before they take the time to look into it.
Now, if I run into someone that throws a fit, I tell them it's a personal vaporizer and it keeps me off cigarettes. It gives them a reason to approve of the device and approve of my actions. After they make the turn around, I tell them it's also called the e cig because we need public opinion on our side.

 

[firhill]

i keep going around different threads and the biggest things i am reading is how we have to stop vaping in public

Could you post the links to such threads...I've read posts on this forum for almost 9 months and don't think i've ever came across one post saying we shouldn't use e-cigs in public, other than the times where it is being respectful of others.



I'd love to read them.......Thanks

 

[YoMike]

I whip it out where ever I am and I do mean whip it out!! LoL

 

[MrsJaaxx]

I do it in restaurants often, but very discreetly, blowing the vapor down toward my feet. This is not because I am ashamed or embarrassed to be vaping, but because if I billow smoke up into the air, it will be a giant pain in the .... to the staff as they have to deal with angry patrons tattling to them that I am "smoking". Which, if you're the tattling kind of person, makes sense because you can't tell from way across the room whether what you see floating above the booth is smoke or vapor, and vapor isn't so well known, so reasonably they think smoke.

The last time we were out to eat and I was vaping, our server happened to walk up as I was dripping liquid onto the atty. She asked about it and was very interested and I gave her some good websites to purchase an e-cig.

So I'm totally in agreement to vape wherever it isn't not allowed, but I'm not of the mind to be an ... about it, if that makes sense. I just want a pleasant meal with the family, no drama. Want to vape, don't want to be a pain to staff or to make the people in the next booth think their child is breathing my surprisingly non-smelly cigarette smoke.

 

[Smooth Air]

So I'm totally in agreement to vape wherever it isn't not allowed, but I'm not of the mind to be an ... about it, if that makes sense. I just want a pleasant meal with the family, no drama. Want to vape, don't want to be a pain to staff or to make the people in the next booth think their child is breathing my surprisingly non-smelly cigarette smoke.

I couldn't agree more... very well said, thank you.

 

[JustJulie]

Truthfully, I don't think that you're really hearing people say we shouldn't vape in public. I think what you're hearing is people suggesting that we should be considerate vaping in public.

Bottom line is that the vast majority of people out there have no idea what a PV or e-cig is. And if they have heard anything, it's typically been from a news article or that horrific FDA report. Thus, if they see someone vaping, the first thought is that the vaper is blowing plumes of what appears to be smoke in a non-smoking area. YOU may feel perfectly comfortable that what you're doing is not at all dangerous to bystanders, but for many bystanders, that is not at all apparent.

Accordingly, many people suggest using some discretion when vaping in public. You don't necessarily need to hide what you're doing, but perhaps minimizing the vapor would be appropriate when in nonsmoking areas. In my mind, it's simple common courtesy.

As for the PV versus e-cig debate, it's an endless one and has been ongoing since pretty much the beginning. For me, I don't really care what you call it. I think it's true that "e-cig" has the best chance of grabbing the attention of smokers, and for me, that is an important consideration.

On the other hand, when we are vaping, we are not smoking. It is not the same, and it is a difference with a distinction. Yes, the terms "vaping" and "vaporization" have certain connotations regarding illegal substances. However, as we continue to use those terms--which are the correct terms since we are not "burning" and not producing "smoke"--eventually they will become more associated with our beloved PVs/e-cigs.

 

[firhill]

Truthfully, I don't think that you're really hearing people say we shouldn't vape in public. I think what you're hearing is people suggesting that we should be considerate vaping in public.

Bottom line is that the vast majority of people out there have no idea what a PV or e-cig is. And if they have heard anything, it's typically been from a news article or that horrific FDA report. Thus, if they see someone vaping, the first thought is that the vaper is blowing plumes of what appears to be smoke in a non-smoking area. YOU may feel perfectly comfortable that what you're doing is not at all dangerous to bystanders, but for many bystanders, that is not at all apparent.

Accordingly, many people suggest using some discretion when vaping in public. You don't necessarily need to hide what you're doing, but perhaps minimizing the vapor would be appropriate when in nonsmoking areas. In my mind, it's simple common courtesy.

As for the PV versus e-cig debate, it's an endless one and has been ongoing since pretty much the beginning. For me, I don't really care what you call it. I think it's true that "e-cig" has the best chance of grabbing the attention of smokers, and for me, that is an important consideration.

On the other hand, when we are vaping, we are not smoking. It is not the same, and it is a difference with a distinction. Yes, the terms "vaping" and "vaporization" have certain connotations regarding illegal substances. However, as we continue to use those terms--which are the correct terms since we are not "burning" and not producing "smoke"--eventually they will become more associated with our beloved PVs/e-cigs.

Well said JJ...It's all about respect for others.

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

It is also about the culture we currently live in. Twenty years ago you would go to the in-laws for Thanksgiving, have a great meal then go to the living room and lite up. Nowadays, you just don't do that. Also in our culture, if someone is eating a bag of porkrines (sp?) no one would think of screaming, "OMG, look at what you are putting into your body!" But it is PC to yell at smokers.

So, I agree with standing your ground within common sense. If you are in a situation were you want a nic hit, search your feelings. If you feel OK with it, do it. If it doesn't feel just right just at that moment, don't. It is that simple. Just be willing to deal with whatever the results are, have cards with web sites ready to hand out, be ready to explain and share. Be ready to be surprised when no one notices. Have fun and enjoy.

 

[BuzzKill]

A inhaler like an asmatic( speeel chx ) uses is a vapor delivery device , many people use vaporizers for medical purposes , that being said I vape most everywhere so far BUT I do use a healthy amount of respect for the situation. '

I DO NOT hide it , I promote it , I tell whoever asks that I am a 35 year smoker and this has allowed me to QUIT , if that is a problem then THEY have a problem IMO>

ANyhow no ones knows what will become of the FDA and PV's/e-cigs , hell CVS pharmacy is selling them online !!

I am new to e-cigs ( 4 wks or so ) so I have not seen/heard all of the issues that are faced regarding them.

LAter
Marlbuzz

 

[ladysolitary85]

If you hide it, your not spreading the word. You never know someone out there might look at it and ask a zillion questions. The more knowledge we give to people, the more voices we get, the better we are heard.

Right now, knowledge and spreading the word is going to be our best defense.

 

[umop apisdn]

A good way of realizing that you might not be in the best place to vape - if you know vaping obnoxiously will get a LOT of negative attention, and about 5 people asking you to stop before you can explain, it's probably not the best place to do it. Not saying don't vape, but don't blow out a cloud and expect people to open up to it if it's not the right place.

 

[Taryn]

A good way of realizing that you might not be in the best place to vape - if you know vaping obnoxiously will get a LOT of negative attention, and about 5 people asking you to stop before you can explain, it's probably not the best place to do it. Not saying don't vape, but don't blow out a cloud and expect people to open up to it if it's not the right place.

Well said!