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So hubby and I were watching Conspiracy Theory last night, great episode, on the FEMA concentration camps.

So, after the show, we were talking about it and hubby says something like "there is no hope". So I said "Oh yes there is, Jesus is coming and He will put an end to all of this soon".

So hubby, who was raised in a non-practicing jewish household, says something like "Jesus isn't God. The Bible (the torah) says that Jehovah is God and Jesus was just a man and nothing more and it was God YHWH that is the almighty God and our creator if there is such a thing".

Ok, so hubby is basically an agnostic, but he's starting to believe in God, but the God of the jews, the God of the OT. This concerns me because we all know that rejecting Christ is very serious.

Problem is this, I don't have enough biblical knowledge to form a good argument that will refute this, or make him understand. I come up with statements, but no home runs, I can't put it all together in a way that he understands or believes. Bottom line, he does not believe that Jesus is God or the messiah, basic jewish beliefs.

Please help me!
 

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I. BEGOTTEN
Physically Jesus was "begotten" in Mary's womb "by the Holy Spirit" (Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:20). Figurativly, on a special "today" (Psalm 2:7), Jesus was "begotten" three ways: (1) on his resurrection day; (2) on his coronation day; and (3) on his ordination day.
1. Begotten on his resurrection day. In heaven, a thousand years before Jesus died on the cross, he was already rejoicing that he would not stay dead, saying, "I will celebrate the decree of Yahweh. He said to me, `You are my Son. Today I have begotten you'" (Psalm 2:7). The apostle Paul explains why Jesus was so happy, writing, "God raised him from the dead, . . . as it is written in the second psalm, `You are my Son. I have begotten you today'" (Acts 13:30-33). So we learn that the "today" of his resurrection (April 9, A.D. 30) was figuratively portrayed as his being "begotten." As the word "begotten" points to the beginning of new life, so the resurrection of Jesus pointed to the beginning of Jesus' new life as a king and as a priest.
2. Begotten on his coronation day. In God's wisdom, the "today" prediction of Psalm 2:7, of Jesus being "begotten," not only referred to Jesus' resurrection day, April 9, A.D. 30, but also to his coronation day as "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS," on Pentecost day, May 28, A.D. 30 (Revelation 17:14; 19:16). On that day, after "he had made a cleansing of sins, he sat at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven," and listened as the Father said to him, "You are my Son! I have begotten you today" (Hebrews 1:3, 5). In the coronation ceremony in heaven the Father even called Jesus "God," saying:
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity. Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows (Hebrews 1:8-9).
As the word "begotten" points to the beginning of new life, so the Father used the word "begotten" figuratively when he crowned Jesus at the beginning of his kingdom, which Jesus also called "my church" (Matthew 16:18 Colossians 1:13).
Not only did the Father use the word "begotten" non-literally when he said to Jesus, "I have begotten you today" (Hebrews 1:5), but he also used the word "oil" non-literally: "Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows" (Hebrews 1:5). Literally, "Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed" David as king (1 Samuel 16:13), but certainly "the oil" God used in heaven in anointing Jesus was not literal olive oil.
3. Begotten on his ordination day. Similarly, in God's wisdom, the "today" prediction of Psalm 2:7, of Jesus being "begotten," not only referred to his resurrection day (April 9, A.D. 30), and to his coronation day (May 28, A.D. 30), but also to his ordination day as high priest (May 28, A.D. 30).
Christ "did not glorify himself to be a high priest, but the One who spoke to him, `You are my Son! I have begotten you today'" (Hebrews 5:5; Psalm 2:7), and "You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek" (Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6, 10; 7:17).
"However, if he were on the earth" (Hebrews 8:4), Jesus, having "descended from Judah" (Hebrews 7:14), not "after the order of Aaron" (Hebrews 7:11), Jesus "would not be a priest" (Hebrews 8:4). But now, in heaven, he has "become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 6:20; 7:11, 14).
How was the priesthood "after the order of Aaron" (Hebrews 7:11) inferior to the priesthood "after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 6:20)? The difference was that Melchizedek was both "a priest of God Most High" (Genesis 14:18), and also "the king of Salem" (Hebrews 7:2).
Similarly, some 500 years before Jesus' coronation day as "King of kings" (Revelation 17:14), the prophet Zechariah announced that Jesus would "rule upon his throne" and would "be a priest upon his throne" (Zechariah 6:13). Thank God,
we have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven. . . . As every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, so it was necessary that he have something which he might offer. . . . Such a priest is appropriate for us: holy, blameless, spotless, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens. He does not need daily to bring offerings, first for his own sins, then for the sins of the people, as those high priests; for when he offered himself, he did this once for all (Hebrews 8:1, 3; 7:26-27).
What a picture! "Christ appeared as a high priest," not with the "blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood," obtaining "eternal redemption" (Hebrews 9:11-12).
If the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer which sprinkle the unclean, set apart the flesh to purity, how much more will the blood of Christ (who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God) purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God! . . . . and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart, in the full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our body washed with pure water (Hebrews 9:13-14; 10:21-22).

II. UNBEGOTTEN
Not only did God have a literal, physical meaning in the word "begotten" in reference to Jesus being in Mary's womb (Matthew 1:20; Luke 1:35), but in his wisdom, he used the same word figuratively in teaching about Jesus' resurrection, coronation, and ordination.
But to say that Jesus was "the only begotten Son of God" (as in the KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASB in John 3:18) is to contradict the verses that say that all Christians are "begotten" of God (1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18), and the verse that says Jesus had "many brothers" (Romans 8:29).
Furthermore, as regards Jesus' eternity, in nowise can it be said that he is a "begotten" being, for every "begotten being" had a beginning. The Father-Son terminology that Jesus loved (John 3:35; 5:20, 23; 11:41; 17:1) cannot be literal, for literally no son can be as old as his father, and Jesus actually never had a beginning (Micah 5:2; Revelation 2:8; 22:13). The Father-Son terminology is simply Jesus' figurative family way to describe God as being "greater" than himself (John 14:28). Actually, "God is the head of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:3).
It is sad that the RSV gives Jesus an "origin," and the NIV gives him a plurality of "origins" (Micah 5:2). If Jesus is "God," and he is (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8), he had no origin, let alone more than one. The literal translation of Micah's word, derived from the Hebrew yatsa', is "his goings forth," not "origin" or "origins." Thank God, there are two translations that stick with Micah's Hebrew and with the NT teaching that Jesus had no beginning (Revelation 2:8; 22:13): the KJV says that the "goings forth" of Jesus are "from everlasting," and the NASB says that his "goings forth" are "from the days of eternity."
But the two translations, that do such a good job in translating Micah 5:2, go too far in causing Isaiah to call Jesus "The everlasting Father" (KJV) and the "Eternal Father" (NASB) in Isaiah 9:6. Jesus is "God" (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8), but he wold be embarrassed and ashamed to hear anyone call him "Father." He said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). The ASV also errs in calling Jesus the "Everlasting Father," but that version has a marginal note that Isaiah's Hebrew correctly translated says that Jesus is the "Father of Eternity" (Isaiah 9:6). That version's literal translation of Isaiah's Hebrew ('abi-`ad) has to be understood figuratively, meaning that Jesus himself is eternal, which means he was "unbegotten."
The Jehovah Witnesses seek to demote Jesus from being eternal, from being "unbegotten," by saying in their translation of Revelation 3:14 that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation by God," inserting the word "by," which is not in the Greek, trying to leave the impression that Jesus was the first thing that God created. Such a meaning, that Jesus was "first created," is "linguisticaly possible" (B-G-D, 112), but such cannot be the meaning of Revelation 3:14 because "all have been created through him and for him," and "without him was nothing created," and "he himself is before all things" (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17). He could not have created himself, for "out of nothing, nothing comes" (ex nihil, nihil facit).
Moreover, the same Greek word translated as Jesus being the "beginning" (arche) in Revelation 3:14 God uses of himself in Revelation 2:16, saying, "I am the A and the Z, the beginning [arche] and the end," which must mean that he, like Jesus (Revelation 1:17; 22:13) is the beginner and ender of everything.
Furthermore, if the arche of Revelation 3:14 gives Jesus a beginning, Revelation 22:13 gives him an ending: "I am the A and the Z, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Moreover, the word arche not only means "beginning," but it also means "origin" (Thayer, 76; B-G-D, 112), a meaning that agrees with what Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are, the originators of all things, but not of themselves. Not possible to human understanding is the clear Bible teaching that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all "inhabit eternity" (Isaiah 57:15; Micah 5:2; Hebrews 9:14), and so all three are uncreated and unbegotten. The 4th edition the FHV says of Jesus in Revelation 3:14, that he is "The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Originator of God's creation."
When the Greeks spoke of the "supreme deity," whom they called "Zeus" (Acts 14:11-13), they did not think of him as being created and begotten, but as the "First Cause," the Arche. Therefore it is no surprise that the Holy Spirit has identified both the Father and the Son as the Arche (Revelation 3:14; 21:6). How three (Matthew 3:13-17) can be one (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:6, 8) is beyond human comprehension, but biblically the statement is indisputable (Matthew 3:13-17; Isaiah 44:6, 8; Hebrews 9:14). Truly, "the Godhead," the theotes (Colossians 2:9), the Father and Son and Holy Spirit (Isaiah 57:15; Micah 5:2; Hebrews 9:14), is "unbegotten."

III. CONCLUSION
Who is Jesus? My mind falters! The only one of his nature, unparalleled, matchless, irreplaceable, unexampled, incomparable, peerless, inimitable, unqualed, nonduplicable, singular, unique, "the way and the truth and he life" (John 14:6), the "KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16).
 

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So hubby and I were watching Conspiracy Theory last night, great episode, on the FEMA concentration camps.

So, after the show, we were talking about it and hubby says something like "there is no hope". So I said "Oh yes there is, Jesus is coming and He will put an end to all of this soon".

So hubby, who was raised in a non-practicing jewish household, says something like "Jesus isn't God. The Bible (the torah) says that Jehovah is God and Jesus was just a man and nothing more and it was God YHWH that is the almighty God and our creator if there is such a thing".

Ok, so hubby is basically an agnostic, but he's starting to believe in God, but the God of the jews, the God of the OT. This concerns me because we all know that rejecting Christ is very serious.

Problem is this, I don't have enough biblical knowledge to form a good argument that will refute this, or make him understand. I come up with statements, but no home runs, I can't put it all together in a way that he understands or believes. Bottom line, he does not believe that Jesus is God or the messiah, basic jewish beliefs.

Please help me!

Tough question & situation Lisa. My only advice to you is the Biblical one;

1 Corinthians 7:1-16:
"And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?


Pray for him LisaLisa.

You are the living scripture and person of Christ. Your husband will 'see' Christ in you as you grow in Christ. Just love your husband with the love of Christ (easier said than done for 'some' husbands I know) and keep praying in time your Husband will 'know' that God is real because he sees Christ in 'you'... a 'you' he doesn't recognize and didn't exist before Christ. You're planting seeds by 'living' Christ and growing in Him. In time, those 'seeds' will become a harvest. Receive this by faith. (hard to do I know!.. lol)
 
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I would point out certain messianic prophecies in the Old Testament (his torah) if he has one. Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 come to mind. Also, you can get in touch with the organization Jews for Jesus and they could start sending you publications that they have for non-believing Jews. Check out their website. You might find it interesting. I just noticed that they have a new website aimed at Jewish/Gentile couples. Jews for Jesus - Jesus is the Jewish Messiah - Israel Behold your God - http://www.jewsforjesus.org/
 

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Tough question & situation Lisa. My only advice to you is the Biblical one;

1 Corinthians 7:1-16:
"And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?


Pray for him LisaLisa.

You are the living scripture and person of Christ. Your husband will 'see' Christ in you as you grow in Christ. Just love your husband with the love of Christ (easier said than done for 'some' husbands I know) and keep praying in time your Husband will 'know' that God is real because he sees Christ in 'you'... a 'you' he doesn't recognize and didn't exist before Christ. You're planting seeds by 'living' Christ and growing in Him. In time, those 'seeds' will become a harvest. Receive this by faith. (hard to do I know!.. lol)

So does this scripture mean that he will be saved through me regardless of what he believes?
 

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I would point out certain messianic prophecies in the Old Testament (his torah) if he has one. Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 come to mind. Also, you can get in touch with the organization Jews for Jesus and they could start sending you publications that they have for non-believing Jews. Check out their website. You might find it interesting. I just noticed that they have a new website aimed at Jewish/Gentile couples. Jews for Jesus - Jesus is the Jewish Messiah - Israel Behold your God - http://www.jewsforjesus.org/

Thanks Chimney, he doesn't own a torah and hasn't picked up a bible. He does believe in God, but that's really about as far as it goes with him.
 

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I. BEGOTTEN
Physically Jesus was "begotten" in Mary's womb "by the Holy Spirit" (Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:20). Figurativly, on a special "today" (Psalm 2:7), Jesus was "begotten" three ways: (1) on his resurrection day; (2) on his coronation day; and (3) on his ordination day.
1. Begotten on his resurrection day. In heaven, a thousand years before Jesus died on the cross, he was already rejoicing that he would not stay dead, saying, "I will celebrate the decree of Yahweh. He said to me, `You are my Son. Today I have begotten you'" (Psalm 2:7). The apostle Paul explains why Jesus was so happy, writing, "God raised him from the dead, . . . as it is written in the second psalm, `You are my Son. I have begotten you today'" (Acts 13:30-33). So we learn that the "today" of his resurrection (April 9, A.D. 30) was figuratively portrayed as his being "begotten." As the word "begotten" points to the beginning of new life, so the resurrection of Jesus pointed to the beginning of Jesus' new life as a king and as a priest.
2. Begotten on his coronation day. In God's wisdom, the "today" prediction of Psalm 2:7, of Jesus being "begotten," not only referred to Jesus' resurrection day, April 9, A.D. 30, but also to his coronation day as "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS," on Pentecost day, May 28, A.D. 30 (Revelation 17:14; 19:16). On that day, after "he had made a cleansing of sins, he sat at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven," and listened as the Father said to him, "You are my Son! I have begotten you today" (Hebrews 1:3, 5). In the coronation ceremony in heaven the Father even called Jesus "God," saying:
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity. Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows (Hebrews 1:8-9).
As the word "begotten" points to the beginning of new life, so the Father used the word "begotten" figuratively when he crowned Jesus at the beginning of his kingdom, which Jesus also called "my church" (Matthew 16:18 Colossians 1:13).
Not only did the Father use the word "begotten" non-literally when he said to Jesus, "I have begotten you today" (Hebrews 1:5), but he also used the word "oil" non-literally: "Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows" (Hebrews 1:5). Literally, "Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed" David as king (1 Samuel 16:13), but certainly "the oil" God used in heaven in anointing Jesus was not literal olive oil.
3. Begotten on his ordination day. Similarly, in God's wisdom, the "today" prediction of Psalm 2:7, of Jesus being "begotten," not only referred to his resurrection day (April 9, A.D. 30), and to his coronation day (May 28, A.D. 30), but also to his ordination day as high priest (May 28, A.D. 30).
Christ "did not glorify himself to be a high priest, but the One who spoke to him, `You are my Son! I have begotten you today'" (Hebrews 5:5; Psalm 2:7), and "You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek" (Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6, 10; 7:17).
"However, if he were on the earth" (Hebrews 8:4), Jesus, having "descended from Judah" (Hebrews 7:14), not "after the order of Aaron" (Hebrews 7:11), Jesus "would not be a priest" (Hebrews 8:4). But now, in heaven, he has "become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 6:20; 7:11, 14).
How was the priesthood "after the order of Aaron" (Hebrews 7:11) inferior to the priesthood "after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 6:20)? The difference was that Melchizedek was both "a priest of God Most High" (Genesis 14:18), and also "the king of Salem" (Hebrews 7:2).
Similarly, some 500 years before Jesus' coronation day as "King of kings" (Revelation 17:14), the prophet Zechariah announced that Jesus would "rule upon his throne" and would "be a priest upon his throne" (Zechariah 6:13). Thank God,
we have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven. . . . As every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, so it was necessary that he have something which he might offer. . . . Such a priest is appropriate for us: holy, blameless, spotless, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens. He does not need daily to bring offerings, first for his own sins, then for the sins of the people, as those high priests; for when he offered himself, he did this once for all (Hebrews 8:1, 3; 7:26-27).
What a picture! "Christ appeared as a high priest," not with the "blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood," obtaining "eternal redemption" (Hebrews 9:11-12).
If the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer which sprinkle the unclean, set apart the flesh to purity, how much more will the blood of Christ (who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God) purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God! . . . . and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart, in the full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our body washed with pure water (Hebrews 9:13-14; 10:21-22).

II. UNBEGOTTEN
Not only did God have a literal, physical meaning in the word "begotten" in reference to Jesus being in Mary's womb (Matthew 1:20; Luke 1:35), but in his wisdom, he used the same word figuratively in teaching about Jesus' resurrection, coronation, and ordination.
But to say that Jesus was "the only begotten Son of God" (as in the KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASB in John 3:18) is to contradict the verses that say that all Christians are "begotten" of God (1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18), and the verse that says Jesus had "many brothers" (Romans 8:29).
Furthermore, as regards Jesus' eternity, in nowise can it be said that he is a "begotten" being, for every "begotten being" had a beginning. The Father-Son terminology that Jesus loved (John 3:35; 5:20, 23; 11:41; 17:1) cannot be literal, for literally no son can be as old as his father, and Jesus actually never had a beginning (Micah 5:2; Revelation 2:8; 22:13). The Father-Son terminology is simply Jesus' figurative family way to describe God as being "greater" than himself (John 14:28). Actually, "God is the head of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:3).
It is sad that the RSV gives Jesus an "origin," and the NIV gives him a plurality of "origins" (Micah 5:2). If Jesus is "God," and he is (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8), he had no origin, let alone more than one. The literal translation of Micah's word, derived from the Hebrew yatsa', is "his goings forth," not "origin" or "origins." Thank God, there are two translations that stick with Micah's Hebrew and with the NT teaching that Jesus had no beginning (Revelation 2:8; 22:13): the KJV says that the "goings forth" of Jesus are "from everlasting," and the NASB says that his "goings forth" are "from the days of eternity."
But the two translations, that do such a good job in translating Micah 5:2, go too far in causing Isaiah to call Jesus "The everlasting Father" (KJV) and the "Eternal Father" (NASB) in Isaiah 9:6. Jesus is "God" (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8), but he wold be embarrassed and ashamed to hear anyone call him "Father." He said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). The ASV also errs in calling Jesus the "Everlasting Father," but that version has a marginal note that Isaiah's Hebrew correctly translated says that Jesus is the "Father of Eternity" (Isaiah 9:6). That version's literal translation of Isaiah's Hebrew ('abi-`ad) has to be understood figuratively, meaning that Jesus himself is eternal, which means he was "unbegotten."
The Jehovah Witnesses seek to demote Jesus from being eternal, from being "unbegotten," by saying in their translation of Revelation 3:14 that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation by God," inserting the word "by," which is not in the Greek, trying to leave the impression that Jesus was the first thing that God created. Such a meaning, that Jesus was "first created," is "linguisticaly possible" (B-G-D, 112), but such cannot be the meaning of Revelation 3:14 because "all have been created through him and for him," and "without him was nothing created," and "he himself is before all things" (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17). He could not have created himself, for "out of nothing, nothing comes" (ex nihil, nihil facit).
Moreover, the same Greek word translated as Jesus being the "beginning" (arche) in Revelation 3:14 God uses of himself in Revelation 2:16, saying, "I am the A and the Z, the beginning [arche] and the end," which must mean that he, like Jesus (Revelation 1:17; 22:13) is the beginner and ender of everything.
Furthermore, if the arche of Revelation 3:14 gives Jesus a beginning, Revelation 22:13 gives him an ending: "I am the A and the Z, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Moreover, the word arche not only means "beginning," but it also means "origin" (Thayer, 76; B-G-D, 112), a meaning that agrees with what Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are, the originators of all things, but not of themselves. Not possible to human understanding is the clear Bible teaching that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all "inhabit eternity" (Isaiah 57:15; Micah 5:2; Hebrews 9:14), and so all three are uncreated and unbegotten. The 4th edition the FHV says of Jesus in Revelation 3:14, that he is "The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Originator of God's creation."
When the Greeks spoke of the "supreme deity," whom they called "Zeus" (Acts 14:11-13), they did not think of him as being created and begotten, but as the "First Cause," the Arche. Therefore it is no surprise that the Holy Spirit has identified both the Father and the Son as the Arche (Revelation 3:14; 21:6). How three (Matthew 3:13-17) can be one (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:6, 8) is beyond human comprehension, but biblically the statement is indisputable (Matthew 3:13-17; Isaiah 44:6, 8; Hebrews 9:14). Truly, "the Godhead," the theotes (Colossians 2:9), the Father and Son and Holy Spirit (Isaiah 57:15; Micah 5:2; Hebrews 9:14), is "unbegotten."

III. CONCLUSION
Who is Jesus? My mind falters! The only one of his nature, unparalleled, matchless, irreplaceable, unexampled, incomparable, peerless, inimitable, unqualed, nonduplicable, singular, unique, "the way and the truth and he life" (John 14:6), the "KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16).

I just love you to pieces SG, but those scriptures would only work if he read and believed in the new testament, which he doesn't. He doesn't even really believe in the bible at all, let alone the NT. He believes in God, the God of the old testament and that's about as far as I"ve gotten with him and that's taken me 10 years! LOLOL!

He does not recognize Jesus as anything other then just a person. He won't let me preach to him, but every once in a while during conversation I'll throw out a nugget for him to chew on, and I pray for him all of the time.
 

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Thanks Chimney, he doesn't own a torah and hasn't picked up a bible. He does believe in God, but that's really about as far as it goes with him.

But I'm assuming that you own a bible. Read Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. Then get him to read it. Ask him who he thinks those passages are talking about.
 

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But I'm assuming that you own a bible. Read Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. Then get him to read it. Ask him who he thinks those passages are talking about.

That's the whole problem, he won't read it. He doesn't really believe in the bible. He didn't even used to believe in God really. Now he says that he believes in God, but the God of the jews, Jehovah. That's as far as he's gotten so far.
 

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Can you explain that it IS the same God?

I've tried. I guess I'm asking for someone to give me a magic phrase that will make him believe, and that's not possible. I just have to keep on praying.

But that scripture that Blonde posted interested me, will he be saved through me regardless of what he believes?
 

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14. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified:
a. Sanctified=perfect, indicative, passive.
b. The perfect tense, again, means the husband has been and still is sanctified.
c. The word "sanctified" here means the husband has been and is still set apart by the Lord as a fit husband and father. God has recognized this marriage union and still does. So a believer and an unbe-
liever may live together as husband and wife with the Lord's blessing.
Otherwise your children would be unclean. If the marriage union was unholy, your children would be unclean, illegitimate.
But now they are holy. The marriage union is of God. Both husband and wife are sanctified, as marriage partners, so the children are holy in the sense of being legitimate.


He can't be saved through your salvation but he can learn of salvation and by your example. Peter also says the same thing concerning this matter.
 
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He can't be saved through your salvation but he can learn of salvation and by your example. Peter also says the same thing concerning this matter.

Yea, I didn't think so, but wishful thinking I guess. He's come a long way tho, from basically an atheist to a person who believes in God, hates evil, and believes in some kind of afterlife and Armageddon. That's about as far as he has gotten so far. But let me tell you, that's a good start considering what I had to work with.............LOL!!!!!!

He is seeing Jesus work through me, changing my life, and hopefully that will give a testimony to him so that someday he might believe. It's very difficult being married to an unbeliever, because you worry about their soul, and you can't share this huge part of your life with them because they dont want to hear it. It's almost like being a widow in a spiritual kind of way.
 

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What is in his background religious wise that he does not believe in Jesus? Was his family strict orthodox Jew? I know you said that he was not but there is evidently some sort of teaching/learning in his background.

He grew up in a non-practicing Jewish household. No religious instruction, no church, no nothing. I think the only reason he leans twords the Jewish god is because his father was Jewish.......
 

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Not a small consolation, but at least he is beginning to believe in the Jewish God and not another god (we believe in the same God too). I would add to what has already been said, (obviously) pray, pray and pray. Live the Christ like example and pray some more. Many are won over to at least curiosity or contemplation not only by the Word of God proclaimed, but when we they see the Word of God acted out daily in our lives. We can't force more truth at someone than they are willing or able to hear, but we can continually "walk" in Christ and let that be a witness also.

Ask God to soften his heart and make him receptive to the truth. Ask God to perform a miracle and open his eyes to the truth and make him into the spiritual leader of your home that he was intended to be. I will also lift him up in prayer on your behalf.
 
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