I think I made a stupid newbie mistake

[Lannie]

On the advice of someone on another forum I belong to (this person and his wife vape), I ordered some Aspire glass tanks for my Kanger EVOD (650 mah) batteries. They fit, but I'm not getting a good draw on them, and there's too much airflow. I put tape over one of the holes, and the draw is better, but there's not much vapor, and it doesn't "satisfy." You know? It's not a strong enough hit for me. I looked at one of the replacement coils I ordered with it, and it says 1.8 ohms and then in parentheses it says (4.2 to 5.0 volts). My battery is 3.7 volts. Is that the problem? My instinct says the coil isn't getting hot enough to burn the juice properly (it's max VG juice, by the way), and I don't know squat about electronics but if something is rated for a minimum of 4.2 volts, my 3.7 volts is never going to be enough, right?

Is there a fix for this besides buying a bigger battery? Or tossing these brand new, very pretty tanks in the trash and looking for something that is more compatible with my batteries? I JUST received a whole bunch of new juice flavors, all or most of them "tank crackers," and it kills me that I can't use them if these glass tanks aren't going to work. And I hate wasting money, that's the worst part. I feel like I wasted the money spent on the new glass tanks.

Does anyone know if there's anything I can do? New coils, maybe, that will burn a little hotter? (I have no clue what I'd be looking for, but I'm thinking that would be my best option, if it will work.)

Thanks,

~Lannie

 

[nyiddle]

On the advice of someone on another forum I belong to (this person and his wife vape), I ordered some Aspire glass tanks for my Kanger EVOD (650 mah) batteries. They fit, but I'm not getting a good draw on them, and there's too much airflow. I put tape over one of the holes, and the draw is better, but there's not much vapor, and it doesn't "satisfy." You know? It's not a strong enough hit for me. I looked at one of the replacement coils I ordered with it, and it says 1.8 ohms and then in parentheses it says (4.2 to 5.0 volts). My battery is 3.7 volts. Is that the problem? My instinct says the coil isn't getting hot enough to burn the juice properly (it's max VG juice, by the way), and I don't know squat about electronics but if something is rated for a minimum of 4.2 volts, my 3.7 volts is never going to be enough, right?

Is there a fix for this besides buying a bigger battery? Or tossing these brand new, very pretty tanks in the trash and looking for something that is more compatible with my batteries? I JUST received a whole bunch of new juice flavors, all or most of them "tank crackers," and it kills me that I can't use them if these glass tanks aren't going to work. And I hate wasting money, that's the worst part. I feel like I wasted the money spent on the new glass tanks. They do make variable voltage versions of the Ego-style battery (look into the Vision Spinner line). They're pretty nice, but you'd get better battery life with something like an iStick.

Does anyone know if there's anything I can do? New coils, maybe, that will burn a little hotter? (I have no clue what I'd be looking for, but I'm thinking that would be my best option, if it will work.)

Thanks,

~Lannie

Hmm, I mean you could go the route of getting tanks to fit your battery, but that little Kanger Evod 650mAh (to be completely honest) isn't going to last you very long. Those Ego style batteries (while they can be used for a while) aren't the most reliable things in the bunch. Additionally, because they're a fixed voltage, it really hinders the styles of tanks you can put on top of it.

I'd recommend getting a battery that can work with a slew of tanks, rather than getting all new tanks to fit your one battery. The iStick 30W sells for pretty cheap, and it would absolutely provide you with the power you need for your tanks (andthensome -- opening a range of other tanks you can throw on top of your device).

Because your device currently is fixed voltage, there isn't much you can do to bump up the power. For the time being you might want to look into getting some different heads for your tank, perhaps lower ohm heads would work a bit better? But overall, or perhaps longer term, you should look into a new battery.

Hope that helps.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

HI Lannie. Unfortunately the 650 mah batteries aren't much to vape with except as a "starter" kit. While there may be a work around with higher coils, I'd advise just getting a new style battery. The iStick 30 Watt ($30 to $35 online) is one to grow with, but you'd also need a 510 to eGo adapter ($5) to use the glass tanks you now own (a mod battery will work great with these). I went through many stages without help and it is best to write off the 650 mah (in my opinion) and upgrade. Vape really shines when you get a Variable Wattage mod. If I were you I'd make the "investment" in a really nice mod. Below is my progression, the tank in the center on the VV Spinner 2 (a slightly less cheaper alternative to the iStick 30W, but you'll replace this also) is an Aspire Nautilus Mini (my vape/off cigs game changer), and is also on my iStick 50W on the right. When someone is trying to get off cigs I recommend the iStick 30W and a Nautilus. Good luck in your journey.

 

[KjRealist]

I'm pretty sure it means the wattage you should use on the 1.8ohm coils not voltage. Check this out. There's a chart and a very clear explanation to help you understand resistance and voltage and how they relate to the voltage you are using.

Tutorial: Variable Voltage and Vaping Power Chart ⋆ MistHub

 

[Lannie]

Thanks, I'm sure I'll want something "better" at some point, but I just started a little over a week ago, and I'm very attached to my little setup right now. It fits me, and with the tank that came with it, performs perfectly for what I need at the moment. I'm techno-challenged and don't even understand most of the posts discussing various gear and what the newest thing is that everyone wants. I just want something to replace the cigarettes I've been smoking most of my life. But a little vapor and some nicotine would help! LOL!

Changing out the head (that's the coil and atomizer, right?) was my first instinct, too, besides throwing away the Aspire tanks and all the juice I just ordered. That would be sad. But I don't know anything about ohms except they have something called "resistance." Seriously, I'm an idiot when it comes to that stuff. What I was wondering is if someone had a recommendation for what ohm level to use with a 3.7 volt battery.

By the way, this battery lasts me all day and I have two, so I just put the used one on the charger every morning and start with the fresh one, and then alternate them back and forth each day. I actually LOVE this setup. I just made a mistake ordering new tanks for it (my friend on the other forum obviously has a larger battery and just assumed I knew what I was doing - ha!).

Last week when I was ordering this, everyone here said it was a good solid unit and I'd probably be very happy with it. Since I've got a whole week's experience now, it's NOT good enough anymore? I seriously am not ready to be sucking on one of those two-way radios yet. I know most of you love them, but it's still too "new" to me.

I guess I'll just try to find some compatible tanks that are glass instead of polycarbonate, and see if that works. Maybe the people where I bought the e-cig in the first place can offer a suggestion.

Thanks, guys!

~Lannie

 

[roxynoodle]

No, that would be voltage.

If you like the form factor of the ego, a Vision Spinner would work. But, I think you would like an istick 30W more. Or maybe the new Coolfire IV.

 

[KattMamma]

sorry, but they're right - you need more battery. 650mah and 3.7 watts is going to seriously limit what tanks will work well. I have a few Evod vv batteries with roughly the same specs - they're fine to do what they were designed to do, but I quickly outgrew them.

An istick 30w (cheap) or something similar will open up a whole big new world of tanks. I got the 50w but don't recommend it because it's had issues, as noted on several threads here at ECF. The 30w seems to be pretty reliable and may be my next purchase because I tend to vape at around 20w anyway!

 

[roxynoodle]

Ohms are the unit that measures resistance like feet or yards are a unit of length, or pounds is a unit of weight.

 

[PlayingWithFire]

On the advice of someone on another forum I belong to (this person and his wife vape), I ordered some Aspire glass tanks for my Kanger EVOD (650 mah) batteries. They fit, but I'm not getting a good draw on them, and there's too much airflow. I put tape over one of the holes, and the draw is better, but there's not much vapor, and it doesn't "satisfy." You know? It's not a strong enough hit for me. I looked at one of the replacement coils I ordered with it, and it says 1.8 ohms and then in parentheses it says (4.2 to 5.0 volts). My battery is 3.7 volts. Is that the problem? My instinct says the coil isn't getting hot enough to burn the juice properly (it's max VG juice, by the way), and I don't know squat about electronics but if something is rated for a minimum of 4.2 volts, my 3.7 volts is never going to be enough, right?

Is there a fix for this besides buying a bigger battery? Or tossing these brand new, very pretty tanks in the trash and looking for something that is more compatible with my batteries? I JUST received a whole bunch of new juice flavors, all or most of them "tank crackers," and it kills me that I can't use them if these glass tanks aren't going to work. And I hate wasting money, that's the worst part. I feel like I wasted the money spent on the new glass tanks.

Does anyone know if there's anything I can do? New coils, maybe, that will burn a little hotter? (I have no clue what I'd be looking for, but I'm thinking that would be my best option, if it will work.)

Thanks,

~Lannie

I would NOT toss the tanks. The Eleaf iStick 30w is a good way to go, as nyiddle said, I have one, and like it quite a lot, but if money is tight, the iStick Mini can be had for $16 or $17 from FastTech, and will be a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade over the battery you currently have. Building your setup to suit the EVOD battery will hold you back quite a lot, it's like tuning your car to use snow tires in the summer, long term, you're not going to save any money, and you're not going to get the best out of any of your equipment. Ego batteries are good in that they are a simple entry point for new vapers, who don't always know what they're going to need or want out of vaping, or if they're going to like it at all, but if you've decided to stick with it, a battery that can do variable voltage and wattage will really improve your experience.

 

[Firestorm]

With a fixed 3.7v device and a 1.8ohm coil you're vaping at 7.6W. That's pretty low IMHO and would not satisfy me. When I started I was using a non-regulated cigalike that went from 4.2v down to 3.7v and I preferred what was then called a low resistance of 1.5ohms. If you were to get 1.5ohm replacement coils you would get more power and it might be more satisfying - I doubt that your battery can support any resistance lower than that.

Personally, I think that 3.7v is pretty low - that's typically where people recharge their batteries. I once bought a regulated 3.7v cigalike and it seemed to me that I got constant crummy vape and I didn't see the point. I would try to see if you can get some lower resistance replacement coils that will work for you. If not, then I would consider getting a different battery that can support higher voltage or wattage settings.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Here's a pic of the iStick 50W and the 30W (not my pic)

 

[PlayingWithFire]

HI Lannie. Unfortunately the 650 mah batteries aren't much to vape with except as a "starter" kit. While there may be a work around with higher coils, I'd advise just getting a new style battery. The iStick 30 Watt ($30 to $35 online) is one to grow with, but you'd also need a 510 to eGo adapter ($5) to use the glass tanks you now own (a mod battery will work great with these). I went through many stages without help and it is best to write off the 650 mah (in my opinion) and upgrade. Vape really shines when you get a Variable Wattage mod. If I were you I'd make the "investment" in a really nice mod. Below is my progression, the tank in the center on the VV Spinner 2 (a slightly less cheaper alternative to the iStick 30W, but you'll replace this also) is an Aspire Nautilus Mini (my vape/off cigs game changer), and is also on my iStick 50W on the right. When someone is trying to get off cigs I recommend the iStick 30W and a Nautilus. Good luck in your journey.

For the record, my iStick 30w came with a 510 to Ego adapter, I believe that is standard for that model.

TO the OP, I believe those that said your setup was good last week were probably mostly right, but may have been under the impression that you had a larger output battery. My starter kit (EVOD Twist) did 3.7-4.8 volts, and I was still done with what it could give me in about a week and a half.

 

[joesquid]

Your EVOD should have plenty of power to run the Nautilus. Sounds to me like your EVOD's may be wearing out and not charging fully or you have faulty coils. I have a little EVOD type battery I use as a back up and run my Kayfun with a 1.8 coil without a problem. My wife only uses EGO's and has been quite happy with them for over a year. Don't worry about the 3.7 V. 18650 batteries used in mech mods are only rated at 3.7v too.

 

[nyiddle]

Your EVOD should have plenty of power to run the Nautilus. Sounds to me like your EVOD's may be wearing out and not charging fully or you have faulty coils. I have a little EVOD type battery I use as a back up and run my Kayfun with a 1.8 coil without a problem. My wife only uses EGO's and has been quite happy with them for over a year. Don't worry about the 3.7 V. 18650 batteries used in mech mods are only rated at 3.7v too.

Eh. Gonna disagree with you on two fronts, bud:

1. Your Kayfun is probably built with a thinner wire/less wraps/something about the build makes it work better with 3.7V. I can confirm that a Nautilus Mini with a 1.8 ohm coil is pretty lackluster with less than 11W/4V.

2. 18650 batteries are "rated" for 3.7V because that's the average nominal voltage, a mean taken from the max voltage (4.2V) and the minimum recommended voltage (like.. 3.4? 3.3? I dunno.) 18650 batteries output 4.2V when they're first taken off the charger, they pretty quickly drop down to around 4V, and spend the longest time at about 3.7-3.9V.

 

[joesquid]

Eh. Gonna disagree with you on two fronts, bud:

1. Your Kayfun is probably built with a thinner wire/less wraps/something about the build makes it work better with 3.7V. I can confirm that a Nautilus Mini with a 1.8 ohm coil is pretty lackluster with less than 11W/4V.

2. 18650 batteries are "rated" for 3.7V because that's the average nominal voltage, a mean taken from the max voltage (4.2V) and the minimum recommended voltage (like.. 3.4? 3.3? I dunno.) 18650 batteries output 4.2V when they're first taken off the charger, they pretty quickly drop down to around 4V, and spend the longest time at about 3.7-3.9V.

You're certainly allowed to disagree. I reckon what one person interprets as lackluster is just fine for another. As far as the 3.7 vs 4.2......I agree, but the same is true for the EVOD.

 

[Cloudd]

I would say, mechanical mod + a dripper. I mean that is what I prefer, especially when I'm interested in science stuffs, I could use mech rather well.

Btw.... (science stuff)

The total resistance (in ohms, coils + body) governs the amount of current allowed to pass through, at that fixed amount of current, the resistance in turn governs how power is distributed. The mech itself will use up some power but for the size and low resistance, it's almost not noticeable. When you sub ohm, the resistance of the coil gets closer to the resistance of the mech, that's where it gets hot.

Not sure if that helped

 

[dom qp]

3.7V. I can confirm that a Nautilus Mini with a 1.8 ohm coil is pretty lackluster with less than 11W/4V.

Can also confirm. My mom uses the same EVOD 650mah battery and there's 2 problems going on with using a Nautilus (I tried a Nautilus mini on it).

VOLTAGE
I found the 1.8 coil on the nautilus only really starts working at 4.1-4.3 V. This is locked in at 3.7. I'm holding it on an MVP2 right now set to 3.7 and it still fires and produces vapor, although not optimally (airy, cold, long wind up).

WATTAGE
Comparing to the EVOD battery, it's not nearly the same. The problem is most likely that the EVOD battery doesn't have enough wattage to output @ 3.7 V.

I find it starts getting good @ 9W and tried it up to 11W. Using the conversion calculator that's 4.1-4.3 V.


tl;dr for @Lannie: Your battery caps out at 3.7V, you need 4.1 to 4.3V to use the Nautilus. Based on my unscientific testing, it's possible that it doesn't have the power to reach 3.7V with that tank either.

I'd get a vision spinner or ego twist that goes up to 4.8V. Those work with my nautilus mini. I just tested on mine and it works well - i'm using the exact same one as the picture below (give you an idea for size):

 

[Ohm Gnome]

The thing is you can get some of the best advice possible right here in this forum. But a LOT of bad advice is thrown around in here too. Not on purpose, just people trying to help but don't know what they think they know. I've only saw people recommend your setup for people to just try to find out if vaping is something they will like. And I agree with NYIDDLE and would not recommend getting a Nautilus for your current battery. I think you said you bought max Vg liquid. If so you will probably have to dilute it with water to get it to work in your current setup

 

[Lannie]

LOL! I don't understand half of what you guys are saying. Less than half! Pretend you're talking to your grandmother. I give new depth of meaning to the word, "newbie."

OK, so what I did was call Mt. Baker Vapor (where I bought the e-cig), and ask them what I could put on this to replace the stock tank with pyrex, and they said Mini Protank 2, which uses the same 2.5 ohm coils that the current plastic tanks I have use, so I ordered a couple of them. Supposedly, I should get about the same results from the mini protank as I get from the whatever-the-heck they're called that came on these batteries. I sure hope that's true, because I'm really happy with what I already have, and would like to keep it around for a while.

I'm sorry if you guys think I'm old and stuck in the mud, but I guess I am. When they stop making these, then I'll have to move on to bigger and better things, but for now, this is all I need, and it's very affordable for us old folks who live on a fixed income. And it keeps me off cigarettes, which is the most important thing of all!

~Lannie

 

[Caro123]

I used my evods with juice that was supposed to crack tanks but it never did. I liked the evod but did move up to a Istick 20 ( I would suggest 30 if you do ) otherwise get a couple more toppers for your evod ( they are pretty cheap 4 or 5 dollars and come with the coils inserted ) and if you crack a tank so what it takes awhile to get used to how you vape too , long slow drags and don't let the tank get completely empty. it really is a bit of a learning experience. before long you will be talking ohms and builds and watts and nic levels and pg/ vg mixes 70/30 60/40 etc like a trouper enjoy and good luck