I think I'll wait til this gets regulated proper....

[lunger123]

I've been a smoker for 21 years, myself. At 37 years of age, I've had just enough times where Ive gone to the doctor thinking Ive finally got lung cancer, a blood clot, a heart attack, or whatever. (ive experienced back pains, lung splinting, and breathlessness like a ....), and Ive taken myself to get blood tests and X rays and the docs all pretty much say in the span of 10 years that its either hyperactive airways, anxiety or bronchitis..they cant figure it out -- My X-rays come out clear every time.

So finally after a real nasty bout of lung infection due to smoking I try the ecig phenom to see if it's an improvement over regular cigs (believe me, I've been hoping since 07 that it would have gotten to the point where it is widely accepted).

I try it. AND DAMN DOES IT KILL THE NIC FIT FROM QUITTING SMOKING! SILVER BULLET? RIGHT HERE BRO!


but you know what? Its actually worse because of the PG irritation, and REALLY because of the basic
FEAR of not really KNOWING what the long-term effects of this really is...You start to wonder if your aches and pains might be for something related to E Smoking...and the devil is in the details, people.

Now Im not here to troll or to make people get all crazy and start a hysteria - Ive lurked quite a bit and I know this site has enough issues with that kind of political BS to fill a new website....Probably hence the "Beginners Forum area".

The point I'm trying to make is this:

I luv the Ecig and what it promises. It's the next step up from the currently FDA regulated Nicotrol/Nicorette inhaler system and with some time and tweaking I think it can turn into a serious revolutionary product that can get us smokers off that damn tobacco forever.


HOWEVER - because this is a new technology, every one of us are guinea pigs (and you know it), the documentation on it is 50/50, and well, as far as USA is concerned

- say what you will about the FDA and Government lies, but you know what? When the government puts their stamp of approval on it, it's considered lible and in good faith; therefore you can expect it to be safe and you can vape knowing it's been reviewed by professionals and its backed ala FDIC insured banks. In other words: Peace of Mind...

Therefore until the Ecig becomes a stable product I sure as hell won't be using it. Ill just use the gum and the Inhaler cuz its just simply safer at this point.

Ive read about way too many people going apenuts over nicotine OD, PG-VG symptoms, burnt cartomizers, ejuice and polyfill, toxic repurcussions, etc. to know an unstable thing when I see it.

This stuff has to be studied and properly administered. Until that happens, I'll keep my PV in a safe place....

Peace.

later guys. and Good luck to y'all...I hope this thing goes gold.

 

[Goldenkobold]

Yes stick to the FDA approved marlboro's...those are safe
or the FDA approved prescription drugs that kill thousands....

haha, I understand your concerns, more testing is always good but that doesn't mean an FDA stamp means safe, wasn't true then isn't true now.

 

[Rosa]

Way I see it, if you can actually quit using the inhaler or whatever then more power to you.

All I know is that the FDA regulated methods have about a 10% success rate, e-cigs have about a 80% success rate. And don't forget all the horrors that were/are regulated by the FDA (for example Chantix... and cigarettes).

Anyway, you know where to find us if you change your mind. Good luck

(ps, the study that the FDA is basing it's mis-information on was refuted)

 

[theredball]

There's been plenty of reputable non-fda studies that basically confirm nothing bad is going into us, and the FDA study has been proven to be a bunch of madeup propaganda. But, yeah I see where you're coming from. Enjoy being a slave to big pharma instead of good ol' independent e-cigs!


source from one of my claims :http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

from mother effin' harvard

and just google FDA e-cig and you'll get plenty of results

 

[joeperson]

I think your attitude towards e-cigs is an important one.
I'm all for realistic observation and objectivity. All too often people take a liking to something and fall for a cause in that detractors aren't given the credit they deserve for having a different point of view.

It's true that nobody really KNOWS whether or not 40+ years of directly inhaling from an ecig is healthier than a normal cig. Short-term I'm sure the ecigs are far better for the lungs, but while PG/VG has been declared "safe" it also hasn't been used in this fashion - direct and frequent inhalation for years on end.

My guess is ecigs are in fact many times safer. They're not for everyone, they may never be. If someday we find out long term vaping has ill effects, they may even be a great temporary quitting tool.

Good luck, I hope as the years go on we all find out with more conclusive evidence these things are safe and your healthy in the meantime.

 

[tossedmycookies]

When the government puts their stamp of approval on it, it's considered lible and in good faith; therefore you can expect it to be safe and you can vape knowing it's been reviewed by professionals and its backed ala FDIC insured banks. In other words: Peace of Mind...

Oh just like cigarettes. Glad we have there stamp of approval on them, must be safe.

 

[swedishfish]

Better the one you know will kill you than the one that might?

Bottom line, you need to do what's best for you. Good luck!

 

[toddos]

Just make sure you buy from reputable juice dealers, preferably ones that will gladly answer any question about where their materials come from. The biggest concern here would getting PG tainted with DEG (antifreeze), and while that has happened in the past for other PG applications (toothpaste, for example), it's pretty much always come from chinese-sourced PG where things aren't quite as well-regulated and the temptation to use cheaper DEG instead of PG for various PG applications. If you use USP-certified PG and VG, or buy from a supplier who does (and can prove it), you're never going to accidentally vape antifreeze.

 

[LadyWeeps]

The same FDIC banks that we had to bailout? I trust the veteran's of this forum much more than I trust anything the government tells me.

 

[jjloupe]

The Government has put a "stamp of approval" for the ingredients in E-Cigs, and it has been inhaled by bakers and candy makers for years. The FDA spent lots of time and effort telling us that PG was safe back in the 60's when they wanted to use it in certain applications, so...what's the question again?

 

[zelda]

Lunger 123 I can see your point.

For some of us that tried everything and couldn't stop this has been a godsend. I could stop temporarily but always went back to cigarettes. And healthwise I just didn't have the time to wait for years and years of testing.

Now no health problems and I've been vaping for a long time.

 

[robocig]

Uh, thanks?

Let's see...

Nicotine Patches: Administer too much nic so I can't sleep, don't replace the oral fixation.

Gum: Can't chew it, TMJD.

Chantix: Frankly, I've got enough of a history that this is out of the question.

Cold Turkey: Yeah, that's worked so well for me before.

I'm sticking with this and whatever comes with it.

 

[Justice]

Gee the gvt let me buy analogs let me buy alcohol both of which are known problems smoking had me to where I couldn't go out and chop a cord of wood all in one go I had to take multiple breaks last week I chopped a cord without stopping. I won't go into details about what happens when I drink but will say it's bad real bad. I was also a little concerned about the pg at one point but since I have read the FACTS about it I have absolutely no problem using it other than minor irritation from it if I vape too much some days hence my starting to use more vg. Good luck to you whatever you choose to do I do wish you well.

 

[Windpray]

here is what I know, after smoking 46+ years and getting up in the morning and feeling like crap, then coughing all day long and wheezing I changed to e-cigs last July now my breathing has not gotten better, in fact, I think it has gotten worse when I walk fast or work out a little but I don't cough anymore and I don't wheez, Went to the doctor, blood presure is good, EKG is good and I feel alot better then I use to feel so I am staying with the e-cigs. Just wish the breathing would get better. I do not really give a rats a.. about what the FDA has to say or anyone else

 

[Dougiestyle]

I will die one day from something. Who knows what. Will it be the cigarettes that I smoked for 25 years? Will it be from e-cigs? Will it be from a terrorist attack? I don't know, nor care. I'm at peace with my faith, and I'm ready to go at a moment's notice (probably won't get any notice tho lol).

For now, I feel healthier. I smell better. I'm comfortable in my addiction to nicotine (except having to blow out atties, fill cartos and re-charge batteries). I'm optimistic that my choice to switch to e-cigs is a good one. I have yet to be proven wrong. When and if I am proven wrong, well, I will address the issue at that time.

I'm happy you're choosing cessation from smoking. It's unfortunate that your health had to suffer such to make you do it. I'm sure I speak for most people when I say good luck on your journey. You're welcome to return to ECF if you so choose. Til then, thanks for your input. It has been noted.

 

[alldayvape]

id rather smoke FDA approved 'cancer' sticks... NOT .. I'll take my chances w/ PG+VG+Nicotine+Flavorings

I respect your opinion though and Good Luck to you!

 

[Elwin]

Let's see here:

One post telling everyone here that e-cigs are essentially dangerous because a government bureaucracy hasn't approved them.
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Dis-clamor that you are not a troll.
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Long list of personal fears of lung disease that you admit were unfounded, unproven and suspiciously similar to symtoms of hypochondria. Oh, and including a "lung infection" caused by cigarettes (hmm, I always thought infections were caused by bacteria or viruses, but hey, you're the doctor...)
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New technology is bad. Old technology must be good. (Reminder to self: dig out Commodore 64 - this 6 core cpu I'm on is just waiting to kill me in my sleep.)
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Well, that's good enough for me - I quit!
Thank God I read this post!
I might have been dead by dawn otherwise!

 

[Kams Cats]

Listen, if it scares you that much then don't use them. It's probably better anyway because every sniffle you get you will be sure it's the Pv and the stress alone will make you sick. I am not being sarcastic I really do get what you are saying. Lots of people have managed to quit with other methods. Even with just sheer willpower. I wish you luck and hope you can stop and stay stopped.

I for one can't stay off the smokes without it yet and I don't have time left to wait for approval. So for me it's a life saver. No more brown phlegm flecked with red any more.

 

[Justice]

I kinda think all this may be somewhat pointless he did say he was done with us

 

[GMoney]

If the FDA were a scientific organization striving for the truth and caring about the well being of people and not a politically and monetarily driven entity, I would agree with you. The FDA "Stamp of approval" is hardly a guarantee of safety,

While it would be nice to have some long term studies done, I have seen sufficient information about the effects of the elements of the e-cig on the human body to make me believe the Relative Risk is very low. Particularly we have solid information on the effects of inhaled Nicotine and inhaled PG. With the exception of certain sensitivities for some individuals, it looks good to me for long term use. I trust my judgement far more than that of a committee at the FDA.

However, you are absolutely entitled to your decision not to use an e-cig. I hope we continue to have the right to keep using them as there are many special interest groups that are actively trying to take away that right. I only wish we still lived in a free country where adults were allowed to make informed choices for themselves.