I think I'll wait til this gets regulated proper....
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Oh I so remember going around telling everyone how my lung x ray, that my doctor insisted on every couple years, came out clear.
I kept on saying it too as I developed COPD and Advair & an inhaler became my traveling companion.
So I understand where you are coming from. (yep, sure)
After 40 years of smoking, I made the switch to vaping and no more Advair and/or inhaler, so, as you keep telling yourself what you posted, when you reach where I was at, maybe look into it again because the e-cig is a long, long, long, way of ever getting FDA approval.
vaping for 2+ years and still alive and kicking.
Seriously, best of luck and health to you, and funny thing, my doctor no longer insist I get my couple year dose on radiation.
Why is there always MORE THAN ONE IN THE CROWD.
I kept on saying it too as I developed COPD and Advair & an inhaler became my traveling companion.
So I understand where you are coming from. (yep, sure)
After 40 years of smoking, I made the switch to vaping and no more Advair and/or inhaler, so, as you keep telling yourself what you posted, when you reach where I was at, maybe look into it again because the e-cig is a long, long, long, way of ever getting FDA approval.
vaping for 2+ years and still alive and kicking.
Seriously, best of luck and health to you, and funny thing, my doctor no longer insist I get my couple year dose on radiation.
Why is there always MORE THAN ONE IN THE CROWD.
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Yah, but a good point. And, I'd like to add to it. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the C64.
30 years ago it was a useful and fun little computer.
The technology has changed dramatically, of course. Just as the technology we use for vaping will change radically over time. I enjoyed my C64s, and my primitive vaping tools too.
BTW, I've got a room full of obsolete computer equipment, including some mint C64s.
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Yah, but a good point. And, I'd like to add to it. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the C64.
30 years ago it was a useful and fun little computer.
The technology has changed dramatically, of course. Just as the technology we use for vaping will change radically over time. I enjoyed my C64s, and my primitive vaping tools too.
BTW, I've got a room full of obsolete computer equipment, including some mint C64s.
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I think it's sad that there are so many posibilities with vaping that are probably being hindered by the FDA. Who knows how far technology could go if they just stayed out of it. Or with a little encouragement how many lives could be saved.
I remember getting my computer with 64 mb of ram and a 2-3 gig HD and thinking I had some kind of super computer!
Everyone is different and has to do what they feel is best for them both mentally and physically.
That being said---A patent was filed in 1963 by Herbert a Gilbert on a smokeless non-tobacco cigarette as well as patents for similar devices as far back as the 1930's.....40+ years ago
New Invention of 1963: The Smokeless Non-Tobacco Cigarette | The Electronic Cigarette & E-Cigarettes by Instead
After trying other avenues of dealing with the addiction to cigarettes over the last 14 or so years without success, I do not have time to wait for the Gov, FDA and the masses for approval for something that helped me stop smoking a week after I started using it. It will be 3 months the lst since I have had a cigarette.
Sure, I have things going on physically that I think could that be due to something from my vaping, but more then likely it is from something that I already have going on in my system. I guess smoking didn't have anything to do with the 02 tank I am hooked to along with the Bi-pap I sleep with along with all the meds that I take that if I read their warning labels, they may warn about dizziness, asthma attack, etc, that I thought that was what I was taking the med for in the first place. I expected those cigarettes and these drugs to be safe since the Government and FDA approved them.
That being said---A patent was filed in 1963 by Herbert a Gilbert on a smokeless non-tobacco cigarette as well as patents for similar devices as far back as the 1930's.....40+ years ago
New Invention of 1963: The Smokeless Non-Tobacco Cigarette | The Electronic Cigarette & E-Cigarettes by Instead
After trying other avenues of dealing with the addiction to cigarettes over the last 14 or so years without success, I do not have time to wait for the Gov, FDA and the masses for approval for something that helped me stop smoking a week after I started using it. It will be 3 months the lst since I have had a cigarette.
Sure, I have things going on physically that I think could that be due to something from my vaping, but more then likely it is from something that I already have going on in my system. I guess smoking didn't have anything to do with the 02 tank I am hooked to along with the Bi-pap I sleep with along with all the meds that I take that if I read their warning labels, they may warn about dizziness, asthma attack, etc, that I thought that was what I was taking the med for in the first place. I expected those cigarettes and these drugs to be safe since the Government and FDA approved them.
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Gee I just posted a couple days ago that when I went to my ear, nose and throat dr. while examining me he ask if I was still not smoking. I thought how does he know. I ask him, how do you know I quit smoking? He said because of my bronchial tubes looked so much better. When I first started going to him I was waking myself up at night from all the wheezing I was doing. I had chronic bronchitis and was constantly coughing stuff up. I am no longer wheezing and my breathing has increased considerably. BTW I smoked close to 50 yrs.
We are all beta testers for this new technology. Let me ask you a question. If a medical center asked you to participae in a study that would keep you off cigarettes forever, would you participate in the study? Many new drugs put out for human study have unknown impacts but the promise of success makes the whole process worthwhile. As for me, I would have signed up for such a study of e-cigs 30 years ago if they had one.
i dont need an FDA approval stamp on something to feel comfortable using it. do you realize how corrupt the system is? i do not trust the FDA or our government, they do not have our best interests in mind. you think they care about your health? maybe to a degree, but only enough to keep you alive and generating revenue. citizens are walking talking breathing money machines and thats it, thats how they see it.
this is what will happen if the FDA has it their way: the FDA puts their approval stamp on the juice we are vaping, but force the vendors to add a host of other ingredients that the FDA claims to be safe, in reality these ingredients are garbage, and will slowly cause negative side effects, causing you to run to a doctor to get meds, putting more money in their pockets. see where this is going? thats why you can buy a bottle of booze, a pack of butts, prescription or OTC drugs that clearly do more harm then good, and the symptoms your trying to get rid of with those drugs could easily be taken care of with natural remedies, but they wont make any money off that either. this is a subject i could go on and on about, it makes me sick that people cant open their eyes and see whats happening.
this is what will happen if the FDA has it their way: the FDA puts their approval stamp on the juice we are vaping, but force the vendors to add a host of other ingredients that the FDA claims to be safe, in reality these ingredients are garbage, and will slowly cause negative side effects, causing you to run to a doctor to get meds, putting more money in their pockets. see where this is going? thats why you can buy a bottle of booze, a pack of butts, prescription or OTC drugs that clearly do more harm then good, and the symptoms your trying to get rid of with those drugs could easily be taken care of with natural remedies, but they wont make any money off that either. this is a subject i could go on and on about, it makes me sick that people cant open their eyes and see whats happening.
Atleast with this *hit you dont know for certain that its gonna harm you and nicorette and inhalers might work for you but ill continue to ENJOY my satisfaction and besides that i can still blow cool rings of white stuff and enjoy the SAME satisfaction i got from smoking regardless of any possible side effects vaping may or not have and i would highly doubt it could ever be as bad as smoking and if nicorette, lozenges or inhalers are safer who cares they are not for me wish you all the luck in the world ....
I figure that health canada ( our poor excuse for the FDA) would regulate the crap out of them. The only ones allowed would be little disposable . foul tasting things that you had to buy at the pharmacy for inflated prices with all of 2 mg of nic in them.
I actually like this thread, it shows some objectivity, some good debate, and a little bitterness.
That being said, I've tried the gum, I've tried the lozenges, I've tried the patch, and I've been on welbutrin at one point in my life and here's the result. I smoked as soon as I was done with a lozenge or a piece of gum, I smoked WITH THE PATCH ON, talk about a nicotine buzz; and welbutrin didn't curb my anxiety one bit when I didn't get a smoke in a few hours.
Then I got a blu, and the only time I smoked a regular cig in the first 10 days was when a freak of weak battery life caused both batteries to be on chargers at the same time. I smoked 2 cigs a day for 5 days, then one cig in the next 5 days, then no cigs for... um, 50 days? I can run now, I can breathe, I can smell and taste things, and you know what'll happen if E-cigs get blacklisted or banned by the FDA? I'm gonna go get a pack of cigs. Its that simple.
Could continuous e-cig use be bad for you? Perhaps. But has anyone gotten mouth cancer from the gum? Or a melanoma from the patch? I don't think so. The reason e-cigs are successful is because it simulates smoking, and believe it or not, most of us liked smoking! Now we're substituting something with 4,000 ingredients for something with 4. PG VG Nicotine and flavoring.
Sure it's not perfect, but neither were the first generation of cars. Within the next few years, cartomizer tech, batteries, and juices will all be significantly easier to use. 2 years ago noone would have thought of a ce2, or a tank mod, or a bottom feeding box. The industry can only go forward, so the products WILL get better.
That being said, I've tried the gum, I've tried the lozenges, I've tried the patch, and I've been on welbutrin at one point in my life and here's the result. I smoked as soon as I was done with a lozenge or a piece of gum, I smoked WITH THE PATCH ON, talk about a nicotine buzz; and welbutrin didn't curb my anxiety one bit when I didn't get a smoke in a few hours.
Then I got a blu, and the only time I smoked a regular cig in the first 10 days was when a freak of weak battery life caused both batteries to be on chargers at the same time. I smoked 2 cigs a day for 5 days, then one cig in the next 5 days, then no cigs for... um, 50 days? I can run now, I can breathe, I can smell and taste things, and you know what'll happen if E-cigs get blacklisted or banned by the FDA? I'm gonna go get a pack of cigs. Its that simple.
Could continuous e-cig use be bad for you? Perhaps. But has anyone gotten mouth cancer from the gum? Or a melanoma from the patch? I don't think so. The reason e-cigs are successful is because it simulates smoking, and believe it or not, most of us liked smoking! Now we're substituting something with 4,000 ingredients for something with 4. PG VG Nicotine and flavoring.
Sure it's not perfect, but neither were the first generation of cars. Within the next few years, cartomizer tech, batteries, and juices will all be significantly easier to use. 2 years ago noone would have thought of a ce2, or a tank mod, or a bottom feeding box. The industry can only go forward, so the products WILL get better.
Don't use 100% PG juices or excessive nicotine of the nicotine irritates you. PG dos very little to buffer the skin irritation of nicotine. Try 70pg/30vg jucies and if those are too rough try 50/50.
(to OP) With those considerations I'd just go back to cigarettes or quit cold turkey.
not reading this entire thread, but EVERYTHING that is in an ecig is already in a tobacco cig. ecig is just missing the other 596 tobacco standard ingredients and the 4000 known toxins that it emits. Vapor has been tested for aounr 60 of the top toxin offenders and found ZERO.
If for nothing it is reducing your harm.
If for nothing it is reducing your harm.
true. Here is a list of 599 ingredients in tobacco cigarettes, there is nothing in our e-cigs that's not on that list so we aren't using anything that's new or unknown. Quitting cold turkey is best if you can do it, but if not then e-cigs are a great reduced harm alternative to smoking (which is why it's not advertised as smoking cessation but as tobacco alternative instead):
599 Ingredients added to Cigarettes
Cigarettes, electric cigarettes or no cigarettes.
It all comes down to you. If you despise cigarettes so much and don't trust e-cigarettes maybe you should just stop smoking?
All I know is that i've smoked these e-cigs for 16 days, SIXTEEN freaking days and I feel 1000000000000% better.
No Heartburn, no more coughing, no phlem, no smell on my hands, no bad taste, I can smell better, Taste better, not be rude and smoke around people who don't, no ashtrays, no cigarette butts on the sidewalk, no smoke in my eye, no cigarette burns in the car, no smell of cigarettes in the car, no dry throat, no worries of thinking i got lung cancer (like you), no worries of other people getting cancer, no hassle from old people telling me to quit, no looking for a lighter etc etc.
All I have is this little e-cig and it's awesome. Say what you will about e-cigs, but if you want to "wait" for them to get approved, your wasting time when you could be spending it not smoking ANYTHING at all.
I'm sorry, but if your going to think that electric cigarettes are WORSE, your out of your mind.
Ya they MIGHT not be PERFECTLY safe, but I personally would rather smoke/vape ANYTHING than a cigarette.
Why bother making yourself worrying that "this might be the day I get lung cancer" and quit. Use one of the "FDA Approved" products.
We'll be here waiting for you when you change your mind, like another poster said.
Good luck if you don't.
It all comes down to you. If you despise cigarettes so much and don't trust e-cigarettes maybe you should just stop smoking?
All I know is that i've smoked these e-cigs for 16 days, SIXTEEN freaking days and I feel 1000000000000% better.
No Heartburn, no more coughing, no phlem, no smell on my hands, no bad taste, I can smell better, Taste better, not be rude and smoke around people who don't, no ashtrays, no cigarette butts on the sidewalk, no smoke in my eye, no cigarette burns in the car, no smell of cigarettes in the car, no dry throat, no worries of thinking i got lung cancer (like you), no worries of other people getting cancer, no hassle from old people telling me to quit, no looking for a lighter etc etc.
All I have is this little e-cig and it's awesome. Say what you will about e-cigs, but if you want to "wait" for them to get approved, your wasting time when you could be spending it not smoking ANYTHING at all.
I'm sorry, but if your going to think that electric cigarettes are WORSE, your out of your mind.
Ya they MIGHT not be PERFECTLY safe, but I personally would rather smoke/vape ANYTHING than a cigarette.
Why bother making yourself worrying that "this might be the day I get lung cancer" and quit. Use one of the "FDA Approved" products.
We'll be here waiting for you when you change your mind, like another poster said.
Good luck if you don't.
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