I tried Snus this week

[AmyB66]

Upon recommendation here since I've been having trouble kicking the analogs.

Ugh, I kind of like it. I did notice after the first ten minutes etc it gives the same throat rash that nic gum does. I hate the fact that when I go to get rid of it, it looks like a piece of cat turd. I mean really, how unlady like!
The plus's. I still smoke analogs in the morning. Maybe one at night but no more at all during the day/at work etc. I have been dragging .... at work. I slid one under my lip and zip zip. The lethargic feeling was gone, I was one productive gal for a change.

Does this carry the same harmful effects that regular chewing tobacco does? Mouth/throat cancer?

I am just wondering if I am going to replace one evil for another. vaping at work is hard. I am in retail, aside from taking a few quick hits, I don't have time for a long vape. Management, so there really is no such thing as a lunch break to sit and vape for awhile. When I smoked, I could usually get my quick ''rush'' I don't care for the quick rush anymore because I actually get a horrible head rush now that I've backed off.


My other question, are there other kinds available besides the camel brand? If I do continue, I intend to only use during work when I need it but I do wonder if I am not going to plunge into some vicious circle.

 

[AmyB66]

I think I posted under the wrong section. Can someone more it? Sorry.

 

[itsmine]

snus selling web site has a mandatory government warning warning that this product may cause mouth cancer

 

[kodykills]

snus is probably just as bad as chewing tobacco. I use snus like Thunder, claq chi, and they burn just like chew does. AND it isnt spitless. The little bit of juice i get is like black lol. Good stuff!! But i wouldent for one second assume it was 100% safe guys. Check out www.getsnus.com Thats where i get all of mine. Being in illinois it should take about 4 days to get to ya. they have very good deals, and just about everything.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Does this carry the same harmful effects that regular chewing tobacco does? Mouth/throat cancer?



My other question, are there other kinds available besides the camel brand?

snus is probably just as bad as chewing tobacco. I use snus like Thunder, claq chi, and they burn just like chew does. AND it isnt spitless. The little bit of juice i get is like black lol. Good stuff!! But i wouldent for one second assume it was 100% safe guys. Check out www.getsnus.com Thats where i get all of mine. Being in illinois it should take about 4 days to get to ya. they have very good deals, and just about everything.

Keeping all things straight, Swedish snus is a different breed and occupies it own place in the tobacco world. Far different from chew/dip. Although chew does have some very well documented unhealthy side-effects, they've been blown completely out of proportion by the anti's. I don't condone the use of chew, but facts are facts, being that a person runs a far greater risk of developing any form of cancer, including oral, with smokes. Above all the horror stories, the facts show a person is less likely to develope cancer using chew over cigarettes, so the chance of harm is reduced. Having said that, Swedish snus is on another page entirely. With a few centuries of use under its belt, Swedish snus has the studies to back up its claim to extremely reduced harm. How reduced?? It's regulated as a food product in Sweden and can't be any more harmful than anything else consumed as food. As a matter of fact, potatoes have more carcinogens. No, it can't be considered 100% safe since it's tobacco, but they still haven't found related harm. These would be the facts, so if you're using it, I believe you can feel ok about it .
Camel and Marlboro snus is made by the same curing process as Swedish snus, but doesn't carry the nic impact of its Swedish brother. Overpriced too. kody's got the good stuff from Get snus at GetSnus.com . My suggestion is order a free sample ($1 for shipping) Introductory Offer - GetSnus.com. It'll give a good idea of the benefits of Swedish snus. Also included in that sample is General Mini Mints, which are smaller than the Camels and more potent. Many ladies here on the forum prefer those, due to their small size. And as far as spitting goes, Swedish snus is considered spitless. Traditionally, it goes between the upper lip and gum, toward the front to allow its goodness to soak in gently. It can be used anywhere preferred, but toward the back or bottom of the mouth will produce more saliva. I hope this helps .

 

[AmyB66]

Thanks for the info.

I actually liked it. The benefits (if can call it that) are far better than I am getting with regular cigs and I want to kick those once and for all. It definately helps, especially at work because when I tried to lay off the analogs completely I was in such a fuzzy funk which is not good since I am running all day and have to multi task like a fiend.

My next step is to completely get off any analogs except the morning ones. Then kick the morning ones....and so on and so on. One small step at a time is how I've been taking this. It's so far been working the best.

Thankfully I am not a prissy type so I guess it ain't such a shocker to most. My husband just laughed at me, my mom would be mortified but then she already wonders were I came from since I rather play in the dirt than go to a tea party. LOL!

 

[Stubby]

snus selling web site has a mandatory government warning warning that this product may cause mouth cancer

The reason the label is there is because when snus started selling in the US the government didn't know what to do with it as far as warnings so they put on the same warning as dip and chew. Snus has been studied since the 60's and they have been unable to find a link between snus and any oral cancer.

Does this carry the same harmful effects that regular chewing tobacco does? Mouth/throat cancer?

I am just wondering if I am going to replace one evil for another. Vaping at work is hard. I am in retail, aside from taking a few quick hits, I don't have time for a long vape. Management, so there really is no such thing as a lunch break to sit and vape for awhile. When I smoked, I could usually get my quick ''rush'' I don't care for the quick rush anymore because I actually get a horrible head rush now that I've backed off.


My other question, are there other kinds available besides the camel brand? If I do continue, I intend to only use during work when I need it but I do wonder if I am not going to plunge into some vicious circle.

Snus is widely excepted to be at least 98% less harmful the smoking, so you're not really trading one evil for another. Kind of like trading Gozzila for an organ grinder monkey.

TV gives good advice. There's a good deal of snus made for woman, and many other brands besides camel. Lots of flavors and discreet mini sizes. Getsnus is a good place to get it, but Northerner has a bigger choice selection, especially in the mini flavored snus.

Northerner. Buy Swedish Snus & Snuff Online. The Healthy Smokeless Tobacco Alternative

 

[itsmine]

The reason the label is there is because when snus started selling in the US the government didn't know what to do with it as far as warnings so they put on the same warning as dip and chew. Snus has been studied since the 60's and they have been unable to find a link between snus and any oral cancer.



Snus is widely excepted to be at least 98% less harmful the smoking, so you're not really trading one evil for another. Kind of like trading Gozzila for an organ grinder monkey.

The warning comes from a Swedish website just to clear up if thought it came from American website http://www.v2tobacco.com/wholesale-smokeless-tobacco-snus.php

 

[Madame Psychosis]

TV & Stubby are two of our informal authorities here and I'm just a relative noob/light user myself, but I thought I'd share some data I could find.

Chewing tobacco. Dip. Sometimes "moist snuff". etc. Bad stuff. Fire/heat cured. Linked to oral cancer, etc. No CO or tar in your lungs, but spitting is not fun and neither are mouth lesions. Average TSNA (major carcinogen) levels of Copenhagen, Skoal fine cut, and Kodiak: 14.3 +/- 3.82 micrograms/g.
(Source. 1995. TSNA content does vary wildly, but the most popular brands always appear to have the highest levels.)

Swedish snus. Also, confusingly, known as "moist snuff" in Sweden. Steam-cured. Fairly low rate of oral cancers in Sweden, which is encouraging.* Processing techniques continue to improve for lowered TSNA levels. As of 2002, mean level of TSNAs in Swedish snus: 1.0 microgram/g.
(Source. 2004. This represents about a tenfold decrease since the 1980s.)

Dissolvables. If you want to really cut your carcinogenic intake (though this may cut down on alkaloid intake) there are the dissolvable tablets. Reportedly superior to the nicotine lozenges/gum (TropicalBob's the authority on these here). TSNA content of Ariva/Stonewall tablets: 0.26-0.28 micrograms/g.
(Source. 2006.)

*This is an interesting meta-analysis in which oral tobacco's association with death disappeared over time in Scandinavia, but not in the United States: Systematic review of the relation between smokeless tobacco and cancer in Europe and North America.

An increased risk of oropharyngeal cancer is evident most clearly for past smokeless tobacco use in the USA, but not for Scandinavian snuff. Effects of smokeless tobacco use on other cancers are not clearly demonstrated. Risk from modern products is much less than for smoking.

General Mini Mint is the one I can best tolerate. Small and not terribly salty. Still a bit slow-acting for my tastes (I'm impatient ), but I'm experimenting around.
If you want a fast hit first thing in the morning to replace that smoke, you may want to try a bit of nasal snuff...but that's another topic...

 

[Stubby]

The warning comes from a Swedish website just to clear up if thought it came from American website http://www.v2tobacco.com/wholesale-smokeless-tobacco-snus.php

It's still a US government mandated warning. It's the same warning on the cans of snus I buy that come from a US warehouse. The same type of warning shows up on all internet sales of snus and tobacco. If they sell in the US they have to do it.

Madame: Another thing to add to the excellent information you gave is that because of the fermentation process used in US style smokeless, TSNA levels increase as the product ages. You don't want to be using a 6 month old can of Copenhagen. With snus, because it's pasteurized, the TSNA numbers do not increase with age. That year old can of snus in the freezer is still very usable.

 

[sanfordf]

I appreciate the good info in this thread. I quit smoking cigarettes Jan. of this year but I had been cutting back by using Camel Snus since Sept. of last year. I currently snus and vape (I got a good deal on the Camel Snus ironically from the last cartons of Camels I bought - $2 bucks off per can coupons on each pack. I stocked up for nearly nothing!). I mix my own juice from 100 mg/ml PG, USP glycerin/H2O 60/40 mix, and Capella flavors. I mix/flavor down to 25 mg/ml.
Between the two, I can work all day without having to keep huffing a stick stuck to my face.
Snusing is certainly better than dipping or burning tobacco.
Thanks again.

 

[AmyB66]

The info is great.

It's definately helped me out. I am back to my old self at work thanks to this stuff.

 

[AllCoExPat]

The info is great.

It's definately helped me out. I am back to my old self at work thanks to this stuff.

It's good stuff for sure. I never in my life thought I'd make it through a work day without jonesing for a cig... but did it today without even realizing I had done it until I was walking out the door. It may not be magic, but it's d***ed close!

 

[Dredbull]

Amy I made a effort to kick the smokes in Oct of 09 with bad planning and not enough for thought I ran out of juice, was stuck freaking out with just camel snus to get me by.
The fog is a tough cookie to shake, snus gets me over that hump and rarely do I not have a prilla or portion in and a nose full of snuff.

Vapin is pointless at work since I can not get a decent vape session inside or outside wihtout being bothered. I need my sanity breaks and the once off analog or walk get me by there.

 

[kodykills]

Yes swedish snus has a waaay better kick than marlboro or camel. Its like two different worlds I moved from copenhaggen wintergreen, to thunder wintergreen. mmmmm and www.getsnus.com is the bees-knees

 

[Haytoni]

snus selling web site has a mandatory government warning warning that this product may cause mouth cancer

Also harmful to the stomach as all these products are.

 

[Stubby]

Also harmful to the stomach as all these products are.

Could you please give a link as to where you got this information. I've read most everything out there on snus and have found nothing of "harmful to the stomach" as you stated.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Also harmful to the stomach as all these products are.

I'll second Stubby on that. No study I've read on Swedish snus indicates any stomach problems. Are you sure it wasn't "snus" in general? American snus and Swedish snus are different breeds .

 

[gashin]

Snus is ok but it doesn't give enough of a rush for me (im using swedish snus).... hence my new interest in snuff

 

[Stubby]

I'll second Stubby on that. No study I've read on Swedish snus indicates any stomach problems. Are you sure it wasn't "snus" in general? American snus and Swedish snus are different breeds .

Not only have I not read of anything, I have never heard of anyone developing a stomach problem.

Well, I have heard of a few people who lost there cookies after doing some ES type snus, and I know of a few people who had problems with the sweet camel type US snus, but never any serious problems.

Snus is ok but it doesn't give enough of a rush for me (im using swedish snus).... hence my new interest in snuff

Swedish snus is not for those looking for a rush, which is an interesting term I haven't come across in many many moons, and was associated with smoking some other herbs that we shall not mention by name.

Snus has a nice steady state stream of whole tobacco alkaloids. Kind of the IV mode of getting what is needed. But you won't find any rushes, or other spills and chills.
As for nasal snuff, there could be a few rushes to be had, if that's what you're looking for. Each to his own, but it's merely a pleasant diversion for me. I fear my days of looking for rushes are long over.