I want to say three words... .... THE FDA

[krazie_Kid]

When I woke up this morning, I saw from Val aka rocks82 or something like that on here, but she posted on Twiter this story

FDA Loses Appeal, Can’t Regulate E-Cigarettes as Drug - BusinessWeek

The FDA CANNOT CONTROL US ANYMORE!!!!

Congrats V4L and all other companys here!

 

[that1spazticchik]

Woooohoooo!!!!!

 

[keyzygirl]

This is what it says,so....

The U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington said today the FDA has the authority only to regulate e-cigarettes as a tobacco product.

.....Now they file again?

 

[5cardstud]

I wonder if they have to release all the shipments seized at the border now?

 

[krazie_Kid]

nevermind Val sent the same thing 2x, it just said updated blog

 

[keyzygirl]

Can the FDA now regulate flavors?Like tobacco?

 

[maxx]

Mixed feeligs...

The ruling removes the shadow of alleged illegality....and that's good. But opens the door to regulation as tobacco products which carry all the sin taxes which made me go for electronic in the first place.

 

[krazie_Kid]

Well, IMO and I am not sure but I think that companys do not have to tax, if I am wrong please tell me, but I think that the do not have to tax.

 

[VanderVape]

Yay! that is awesome!

 

[rhsmitty]

WO WO! Take That Big Gov!

 

[NurseCin]

I have mixed feelings about this also. FDA wants their hands in it either way...Why? IMO...Money.

 

[Adrenalynn]

Well, IMO and I am not sure but I think that companys do not have to tax, if I am wrong please tell me, but I think that the do not have to tax.

If it became a "tobacco product", they would be required to pay the taxes. Whether they collect them from us or pay them themselves it all gets built into the price.

 

[maxx]

Well, IMO and I am not sure but I think that companys do not have to tax, if I am wrong please tell me, but I think that the do not have to tax.

Obama Signs Law Regulating Online Cigarette Sales - American Lung Association

Now currently, there is no mechanism for taxing e-liquid since the tax is based on tobacco weight, packs, etc. But...it only takes a little math and some enterprising legislators to come up with a system whereby an e-liquid tax could be added (amended) to existing laws. Not saying it will happen overnight, but it will in time. Being a tobacco product makes it legal...but there is a price to be paid for such a status. I suspect that if the FDA does not file another appeal, they will simply move to regulate as tobacco and try to apply the PACT act. Just my two cents....

 

[krazie_Kid]

Hmm, thanks guy's I was not sure how it would go with that.

 

[JupiterV]

Is it Awesome? They'll regulate as a tobacco product. What's that going to do to price, supply and our current vendors?
I'm still going to stockpile. don't trust the mf's.

 

[maxx]

Don't get me wrong. Had the FDA won...we could have been looking at severe and drastic siezures, so this is good news. Just not the decisive victory that many think this is.

Now if Julian Assange really wants to be a hero...how about getting something useful, like the FDA database.

 

[krazie_Kid]

Ok I have one thing for Maxx, which is if Julian Assange wants to really be a hero, shut the FDA down, they always put products out that kill people lol...

And another thing for everyone else, can the FDA say you cant sell 30ML bottles of juice AND can they say it cant be over xMG of Nic?

 

[sbphotog]

This is where all juice companys get forced to downgrade to selling only DIY supplies because of the taxes. They can only tax the nic liquid, not the pg, vg, or flavorings (at least I think). They will probably tax the hardware to the hilt too.

makes me wonder though....what about the 0 nic liquids? can they tax those too even though those clearly cannot be considered a tobacco product?

 

[Adrenalynn]

Taxing the hardware would be pretty tough. They'd also then need to tax everything else that had a battery and a switch as a tobacco product. Flashlights, cell phones, computer mouses and keyboards, iPads, ... the hardware is nothing but a battery and a switch at the end of the day.

 

[tj1100cl]

i have some Q's maybe some of you juice makers know:

is the VG already subject to some regulation because it's a food additive? the Lorann style flavorings too?
is the nicotine solution already subject to some regulation from somewhere?

aren't all of the ingredients already regulated by some agency? nothing is new other than how it's being used. technically, the PV is a little cooking device and the ingredients minus the nicotine are just food ingredients.

i want quality control for the ingredients, but there should be no special tax on any of this stuff. It's already subject to sales tax. There's no special lollipop tax. If we all switched from cigs to lollipops, how would the govt. justify a lollipop tax?

i don't understand, short of the nicotine part, how any of this stuff is subject to more regulation than what already exists. And the nic ingredients should be controlled in the same way as the nic-gum.

am i leaving something out?

hah! SBP and Lynn, you guys were reading my mind.