I want to upgrade to APV... but WHY?

[EagleTa2]

Hi Everyone,

Let me preface this post by saying that I just finished reading about 100 pages about Provari vs Zmax vs Vamo vs everything else. I feel overwhelmed and maybe a little snarky.. lol

Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon telling me why one APV is better than the other, I want this to be a different kind of post so i hope i will get different kinds of responses.

I absolutly love my new vaping lifestyle (for me it is much more than a hobby). I smoked for 28 years and now Ive been off ickys ( what we called analogs in our home) and for that Im truly grateful. no going back to ickys no matter what equipment I vape with.

Im strongly considering a Provari... most of the posts I have read indicate how happy folks have been with their purchase. Regarding the warranty, it simply doesnt matter to me. if the Provari is that well built, and I am terribly OCD about how I maintain my equipment, the warranty shouldnt matter. I also own 2 Hondas...and the Provari warranty comments make me remember the Honda/other car commercial. You know the one that says that car A ha s a 100,000 mile warranty and an Accord doesnt. Well, its an Accord.. it doesnt NEED a 100,000 mile warranty! if the build quality is that good, that is enough for me. I do like the point that I can send the Provari in for repairs instead of buying another APV should I need to.

Ive basically completely written off the Vamo... Ive read too many posts from too many people that have regrets or have had problems. It has an attractive price point, but that doesnt seem good enough, IMHO.

I havent researched the Zmax enough to form an opinion yet, but have read a fair amount about it and it seems about 50/50 for folks that either love it or had problems with it. Its is not serviceable and isnt all that much less than a Provari...so that in itself would shoot down the zmax for me.

I dont want to start a debate about VV vs VW devices either - I am simply too new to this to be able to make an informed decision. I have upgraded my simple 650 battery to a VV LCD Ego battery and like the fact that I get a better hit and more vapor when Im on a higher voltage. As far as my vaping style, I use Kanger T3 clearo's with either a 1.8 or 2.5 ohm coil on EGO-C batteries. Im pretty simple here - I fill it, hit the button and enjoy. I am looking forward to making my own coils and wicks for them... one to save money and two because I like to fiddle with things. This leads me to believe an RBA is going to be in my future, but right now I am not considering it at all... again, too new and want to take time to learn all I can.

More on my vaping style, I go through about 2-3 ml per day of 18mg 50/50 juice. I can..and do... vape freely at work and home.

So... now that you have read this novel (sorry its so long) and you know the devices I am considering,, you know my vaping style, and you know the equipment that I have... What is your take on WHY I should upgrade.

What will a Provari do for my vaping? Will I get better vape from the same delivery device? I know the batteries will last MUCH longer, and I am definitely looking forward to that.

Thanks in advance for all of your input!

Geo

 

[bfitz]

I kinda went through the same questions before I got my first APV, maybe I can explain some of the "why's" for me. My very First was the vamo, and I really like it. As far as quality, I have been terrible to this thing and it still works. In the few months I have had it it has been through many drops, a couple trips through the couch, rolled around the car, and a brief meeting with a snow bank in my front yard. Still works, but maybe I'm lucky. I want to get a provari someday, maybe soon, but the price tag just put me off for now. I also own a few mechanicals, which I like better than my vamo, and a couple rba's now. I dig the pseudo low ohm coils (1.2-1.0 ish) and the vamo won't fire them that low (I don't believe the provari will either, but I could be wrong). This is the main reason I have switched to mainly mechanicals, but 1.8 at 10 watts on the Vamo is also good to me, so there are ways to acheve the same vape in diffreent ways.

I also like to play with and fix things, so to me an apv and rba was the way to go. Plus I just think that they are asteticly more appealing than the smaller batteries. And the battery life is great, no more flashing lights in the middle of the day. VV and VW are great for getting diffrent experiences, mechanicals are great for huge amount of vapor and they just look awsome.

But why should you buy one? Don't know. I can say that if you are thinking about it go for it, because if you are like me you won't be happy till you have one anyway. Do you want the Provari? I say get one if the money isn't a problem. I definatly have way more in gear than the cost of a Provari, but I have tried a lot of more affordable stuff and I know what I like now. If I would have started with the provari I might not have gotten into mech's just because of how much the provari costs and trying to justify more spending. I have four apv's all under $50 a piece and when I do decide to spend the same amount on one device I will be more informed about what I want it to do.

Made my own novel , sorry about that, hope some of it helps. And yes, I am bad at seplling.

 

[Statistic]

You said you're not ready to get into RBA's so I won't go there... they rock.

Also it sounds like you've decided for now that it's provari or nothing. So why should you get a provari? If you want a VV mod that will last longer than you do.

If you are happy with your digital VV eGo then there's no reason to replace it. However that eGo is (statistically) more likely to fail eventually.

If you enjoy the hobby side of vaping and want a solid vv mod that will last "forever" then get yourself a provari, but don't delude yourself into thinking it'll be the last mod you every buy

 

[madstabber]

The sigelei zmax is quite a bit less than a provari and better than the smokteck zmax. Vaporalley has them for 65 bucks for the sigelei and you can use your T3's on it without having to use an adapter. You will need to use an adapter to use a T3 on the provari. Just something to consider.

 

[SirSteve]

Not sure where you have been shopping, but could you please give me the link to the site that sells Provari's for not much more than a Zmax? I have less than $70 in my Zmax and that was before the recent fall in prices, I would really love a Provari at that price.

I have been wanting a Provari and now have the money saved for one, but I just can't seem to get past the price.

 

[Oktyabr]

Hi Everyone,

Let me preface this post by saying that I just finished reading about 100 pages about Provari vs Zmax vs Vamo vs everything else. I feel overwhelmed and maybe a little snarky.. lol

Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon telling me why one APV is better than the other, I want this to be a different kind of post so i hope i will get different kinds of responses.

I absolutly love my new vaping lifestyle (for me it is much more than a hobby). I smoked for 28 years and now Ive been off ickys ( what we called analogs in our home) and for that Im truly grateful. no going back to ickys no matter what equipment I vape with.

Im strongly considering a Provari... most of the posts I have read indicate how happy folks have been with their purchase. Regarding the warranty, it simply doesnt matter to me. if the Provari is that well built, and I am terribly OCD about how I maintain my equipment, the warranty shouldnt matter. I also own 2 Hondas...and the Provari warranty comments make me remember the Honda/other car commercial. You know the one that says that car A ha s a 100,000 mile warranty and an Accord doesnt. Well, its an Accord.. it doesnt NEED a 100,000 mile warranty! if the build quality is that good, that is enough for me. I do like the point that I can send the Provari in for repairs instead of buying another APV should I need to.

Ive basically completely written off the Vamo... Ive read too many posts from too many people that have regrets or have had problems. It has an attractive price point, but that doesnt seem good enough, IMHO.

I havent researched the Zmax enough to form an opinion yet, but have read a fair amount about it and it seems about 50/50 for folks that either love it or had problems with it. Its is not serviceable and isnt all that much less than a Provari...so that in itself would shoot down the zmax for me.

I dont want to start a debate about VV vs VW devices either - I am simply too new to this to be able to make an informed decision. I have upgraded my simple 650 battery to a VV LCD Ego battery and like the fact that I get a better hit and more vapor when Im on a higher voltage. As far as my vaping style, I use Kanger T3 clearo's with either a 1.8 or 2.5 ohm coil on EGO-C batteries. Im pretty simple here - I fill it, hit the button and enjoy. I am looking forward to making my own coils and wicks for them... one to save money and two because I like to fiddle with things. This leads me to believe an RBA is going to be in my future, but right now I am not considering it at all... again, too new and want to take time to learn all I can.

More on my vaping style, I go through about 2-3 ml per day of 18mg 50/50 juice. I can..and do... vape freely at work and home.

So... now that you have read this novel (sorry its so long) and you know the devices I am considering,, you know my vaping style, and you know the equipment that I have... What is your take on WHY I should upgrade.

What will a Provari do for my vaping? Will I get better vape from the same delivery device? I know the batteries will last MUCH longer, and I am definitely looking forward to that.

Thanks in advance for all of your input!

Geo

As a VERY happy Vamo owner I would say, from reading your post, you NEED to buy a Provari! Not just because it's "better built" or whatever but it seems you've already convinced yourself of it's superiority and IF you buy anything else, no matter how good or cheap it might be, you will likely not be satisfied.

I can boil it down for you in one sentence someone else here shared in a different thread sometime ago...

"It's a metal tube with a battery in it... not a magical flying unicorn."

That's not intended as a stab towards Provape in any way... It's simply an illustration of how all of these devices work, more or less. Will a $300 flashlight be better made than a $3 one? One would certainly hope so. But in the end they too are simply tubes with a battery in it and will function, more or less the same way.

Now you DID say you saw an RBA in your future. All my clearos, vivis and the like go unused now. I am almost exclusively a dripper/RBA fan. IF you end up with an RBA (and the patience to make your own coils) you will eventually find even a Provari has some limitations in these regards. Plan on a mech or two down the road as well

 

[Elantis]

Now for my novel:

Up until my six month vaporversary my arsenal consisted of all eGo type batteries, mostly 3.7v type about 3 VV type and my delivery system of choice after trying most of the things that came out, ended up being T3's. Every single one of my eGo batteries has a T3 dedicated to it.

At six months I decided to treat myself and went Way overboard - I bought a Vamo, a Sigelei Zmax telescope, a Silver Bullet and a ProVari. Some were from the classies and some were purchased at an insanely low price. I also got some carto tanks which I had never tried before (since beginning with cartos I didn't think I would ever go back!)

I can put the same ohm carto, same volt setting, with the same juice on all of these devices and I personally prefer the vape from the ProV. It is consistent throughout. I also have some ProTanks which are similar to the T3's which I use at times on these devices and it works quite well for fill and go type vaping. But my preference has completely turned to the carto tanks.

I am a fiddler too - I am a minaturist and make my own minature dollhouse furniture - I like to experiment with things. I do rebuild all my own coils for the T3's and ProTanks (I have Vivi's but I don't care for them any longer.) But I just haven't any interest in RBA's, reading these forums has brought me to the conclusion that I would get very frustrated with them, so I will just continue on my journey with what makes me happy.

Should you buy a ProVari?? - if you want one then by all means you should. I have many devices sitting here which will all be in the classies some day soon - but not the ProVari because for me it is the best device.

 

[EagleTa2]

Not sure where you have been shopping, but could you please give me the link to the site that sells Provari's for not much more than a Zmax? I have less than $70 in my Zmax and that was before the recent fall in prices, I would really love a Provari at that price.

I have been wanting a Provari and now have the money saved for one, but I just can't seem to get past the price.

Obviously I need to do some more research...but here is my line of thinking.

First, I haven't shopped too much for a zmax...and admittedly was not aware of a difference between a sigelei zmax and a smoktec zmax. Still have lots to learn.

My comment on not that much more... saw on provape that they offer a provari blem for $140 and I really don't care what the logo looks like as long as it performs, so a blem is OK with me. A quick look at zmax at madvapes shows that its a smoktec at $99. I am not independently wealthy but considering what I am not going to spend on ickys, a $41 difference is not a big deal to me.

I really want something that I'll be happy with and will last. I'm happy that the egos have worked so far, but the apv seems like it will give me "more"

Thanks
Geo

 

[EagleTa2]

As a VERY happy Vamo owner I would say, from reading your post, you NEED to buy a Provari! Not just because it's "better built" or whatever but it seems you've already convinced yourself of it's superiority and IF you buy anything else, no matter how good or cheap it might be, you will likely not be satisfied.

I can boil it down for you in one sentence someone else here shared in a different thread sometime ago...

"It's a metal tube with a battery in it... not a magical flying unicorn."

That's not intended as a stab towards Provape in any way... It's simply an illustration of how all of these devices work, more or less. Will a $300 flashlight be better made than a $3 one? One would certainly hope so. But in the end they too are simply tubes with a battery in it and will function, more or less the same way.

Now you DID say you saw an RBA in your future. All my clearos, vivis and the like go unused now. I am almost exclusively a dripper/RBA fan. IF you end up with an RBA (and the patience to make your own coils) you will eventually find even a Provari has some limitations in these regards. Plan on a mech or two down the road as well

THANK YOU for giving me a chuckle and bringing me back down to earth... in the dark of night, I would be happy with a $3 flashlight as long as it works.

I'm not 100% convinced on a provari, and just want to be sure that I'll be happy with what I make the investment on..no matter the size of the investment.

This is exactly why I posted this thread, instead of buying something I may or may not regret.

Thanks
Geo

 

[Oktyabr]

I really want something that I'll be happy with and will last. I'm happy that the egos have worked so far, but the apv seems like it will give me "more"

The only thing an APV can possibly give you "more" of is amperage. Egos and the like are very low amperage and most come with built in over discharge protection (that's why they use a sealed battery) to keep them from melting down. Most AVPs are built of stouter electronics and are designed with the capability to utilize the more powerful "high drain" batteries, etc. This is why some will often claim they get a "harder hit" from an APV than a cheap ego, even at the same voltage.

For what it's worth the eVic was released with a 2.5 amp capability. The Provari was 3.5 amps. The Vamo V2 is 5 amps and I think one of (both?) the "Zmax" are too since at least one of them use the same board as the Vamo. These figures might have changed recently, with newer models. YMMV.

 

[Oktyabr]

And more "options" in regards to VV (and/or VW capability... something a Provari will "never have", so I'm told) and usually a lower resistance thresh hold. I think most egos and like won't fire anything below 1.5 ohms. Most regulated APVs like the Provari, Zmax, Vamo, etc. will usually handle a 1.2 ohm coil or above. Mechanicals have no artificially imposed limits in these regards and it's been my personal experience that most RBA's seem to work best right around 1.0 ohm.

 

[tc1]

You'll immediately notice the difference between an Ego-style pv and an APV. The voltage is much more consistent, thus an increase in vapor, flavor, and nicotine delivery. Basically, an APV is going to "hit" harder.

The voltage in an ego actually drops as you take a drag ... this won't happen with an APV that has a fully integrated regulation circuit.

 

[bfitz]

I understand wanting to be happy with the purchase. Best thing I can think to say is that it probably won't be the last thing you buy, and from my limited experience (only a few months now) there isn't a HUGE difference between anything. They all turn liquid into vapor. I have a few options now for devices and that helps with the wanting to buy new things. If I get bored with my set up and start to reach for the credit card I can switch to a carto, or drip, or rebuild, etc. That being said a few people I know went out, bought a 510 cig-a-like battery, couple cartos and never looked back. They aren't at all in mods or learning ohms law blah blah. You might love the provari, you might not. Only way to know is try them out (which is why I went the cheap mod route until I knew what I liked) and see what sticks.

THANK YOU for giving me a chuckle and bringing me back down to earth... in the dark of night, I would be happy with a $3 flashlight as long as it works.

I'm not 100% convinced on a provari, and just want to be sure that I'll be happy with what I make the investment on..no matter the size of the investment.

This is exactly why I posted this thread, instead of buying something I may or may not regret.

Thanks
Geo