Provari...why?

[dr g]

Wait so if one is set at 4v and it puts out 4v, but the other is set for 4v but puts out 6v, were is the "largely" part, I mean I guess they both heat a coil up, so that's similar. I think it would be a stretch to say the both do "largely the same thing" in respects to how they accomplish VV. I got it, technically they are both using PWM, but it's all in the execution.

Provari's pwm may be filtered, but it throws a wave like all pwm. It's not putting out a flat 4v.

You can parse what I said as close as you need to in order to feel like you are setting yourself apart, but in the end a "smooth vape" is pretty common these days, so it's not really that great of a thing to hang your hat on.

 

[Leithan]

No your right, but it's damn near as close as your going to get with out going full mech and compared with say a vamo it's big difference. That's my biggest complaint with the cheaper mods, a lot of folks I know vape telemaxes, structurally they are very stout, they are even pretty nice looking. But they still are using the same basic 33 mhz chip. They will put a prettier screen on it, change the menu a bit, but they never address the performance of the actual VV. Who knows, one day Sigelei might just have a Provari killer. But it probably won't be any time soon. I am excited to see some more high end VV devices (Nivel and dna 20)

 

[The Ocelot]

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No reason, Im just going to try to randomly interject this when I can

Cool, you Own It! It's Known! Keep flipping the sheep and don't follow the leather!

 

[dr g]

No your right, but it's damn near as close as your going to get with out going full mech and compared with say a vamo it's big difference. That's my biggest complaint with the cheaper mods, a lot of folks I know vape telemaxes, structurally they are very stout, they are even pretty nice looking. But they still are using the same basic 33 mhz chip. They will put a prettier screen on it, change the menu a bit, but they never address the performance of the actual VV. Who knows, one day Sigelei might just have a Provari killer. But it probably won't be any time soon.

The 33hz chinese chip is just one class of chip (granted, a pretty popular class). But as far as the OP's question, the quality of vape isn't that much different, it's largely the sound, and there's no objective reason coil life should be much different.

 

[Jaguar07]

That a Lexus is Way Cooler to own. And that a School Bus only comes in Yellow.

EPIC and very funny, Thank you fo the belly laugh zolDman!

 

[The Ocelot]

Never mind, I was confused.

 

[EddardinWinter]

The Provari uses PWM as well, don't fool yourself. And I said "largely the same thing" not "the same thing" so don't strawman.

Provari's pwm may be filtered, but it throws a wave like all pwm. It's not putting out a flat 4v.

You can parse what I said as close as you need to in order to feel like you are setting yourself apart, but in the end a "smooth vape" is pretty common these days, so it's not really that great of a thing to hang your hat on.

I don't fool myself, and I need no strawman. The Oscilloscope tells no tales. Read, learn, and understand. The PWM on the ProVari is modulating less than a tenth of a volt, after the voltage has been regulated, and is doing so at 800 Hz. This compared to the 33.3 Hz of the Vamo.

Don't take my word for it. Here is the best illustration I have ever seen of it.


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

Now I have been exceedingly patient with you thus far. I have met your insulting "strawman" and "fool yourself" with facts. You are now at a crossroads. Will you amp up your attacks? The other choices will be to accept that the processors are not at all similar or you can refute my assertions with facts and similar evidence.

The grace period from me with your insults is at an end.

 

[The Ocelot]

(Lion at 33.3Hz) ​

 

[Jaguar07]

But where is Jaguar at 800hz? /me snickers and bursts into laughter

 

[The Ocelot]

But where is Jaguar at 800hz? /me snickers and bursts into laughter

It's smoother​

 

[Jaguar07]

there's no objective reason coil life should be much different.

Not entirely true. When something is oscillating so fast it seems near constant, add to that, that the coil is being heated to red hot at the same time, when you slow the oscillation down it vibrates in a totally different way. There ARE nichrome wires that have burning red hot for over 100 years. They are NOT subjected to movement or the variances of hot and cold. They certainly aren't being oscillated. Add Harmonics, the speed of the oscillation matters. Your mileage may vari. It may vamo. It might even be mechanical.

At the end of the day, what matters MOST is that we all vape and love to do so.

 

[dr g]

I don't fool myself, and I need no strawman. The Oscilloscope tells no tales. Read, learn, and understand. The PWM on the ProVari is modulating less than a tenth of a volt, after the voltage has been regulated, and is doing so at 800 Hz. This compared to the 33.3 Hz of the Vamo.

Don't take my word for it. Here is the best illustration I have ever seen of it.


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

Now I have been exceedingly patient with you thus far. I have met your insulting "strawman" and "fool yourself" with facts. You are now at a crossroads. Will you amp up your attacks? The other choices will be to accept that the processors are not at all similar or you can refute my assertions with facts and similar evidence.

The grace period from me with your insults is at an end.

Am I supposed to be scared? The 2nd quote is definitive. Your link shows the wave clearly. The amplitude is irrelevant to whether something is a wave, and in practice doesn't affect the vape quality beyond placebo effect.

Personally, I couldn't care less how the Vamo's specifications compare to a Provari, my own device of choice surpasses both in capabilities. I have no hangup about noticing my half-busted vamo doesn't produce a significantly different vape at the same settings. I still prefer my device because it has a larger performance envelope.

Problem is, the provari doesn't, it actually has a smaller performance envelope. Which explains a lot of provari owner behavior, in the absence of obvious and significant advantages, insecurity creeps in and is compensated for by ostentatious self-affirmation.

 

[dr g]

Not entirely true. When something is oscillating so fast it seems near constant, add to that, that the coil is being heated to red hot at the same time, when you slow the oscillation down it vibrates in a totally different way. There ARE nichrome wires that have burning red hot for over 100 years. They are NOT subjected to movement or the variances of hot and cold. They certainly aren't being oscillated. Add Harmonics, the speed of the oscillation matters. Your mileage may vari. It may vamo. It might even be mechanical.

At the end of the day, what matters MOST is that we all vape and love to do so.

Every coil in every pv is subjected to major hot and cold variation. Every one is also subjected to movement. Neither of these have to do with the operating frequency of the device. Coil temperature is not greatly affected by the oscillations in pvs, if it were the rate would be insufficient. In the end if there were a problem with the oscillating frequency, problems would be widespread and obvious, given the popularity of the 33hz devices. They are not.

More likely the answer is that any given store may see a lot of issues with these devices' coils due to their popularity and, being the first step full APVs many users step up to, are likely to be used by vapers still on the learning curve.

 

[Klatuso]

I have a Provari and I see it this way: I used to smoke a pipe when I was younger. I had a cheap $20 pipe that worked fine. I mean really, it holds tobacco, burns it, decent draw. I would visit Leavitt and Pearce tobacconist in Harvard Square and enjoy looking over their collection of fine pipes. Beautiful hand made works of art selling for $200 and up, some over $400! Would they burn tobacco better? Maybe a little, but the experience of holding a hand crafted work of art I believe enhances the aesthetic experience. If I had the money I would have bought one in a second! Now I have the money and enjoy the Provari the same way. It is a fine instrument. The thought and care put into the design, the electronics. It is weighty and substantial. Does it vape better than my ego twist. Yea. Worth the added price? I think so because it enhances my vape experience.

 

[Ottotek]

Seriously?! How can anyone dispute that a PWM of 33 pulses per second can possibly be comparable to 800 pulses per second? That logic aside, lighten up, peeps. To each their own, taste is subjective, and one man's garbage is another man's riches...

 

[EddardinWinter]

Am I supposed to be scared? The 2nd quote is definitive. Your link shows the wave clearly. The amplitude is irrelevant to whether something is a wave, and in practice doesn't affect the vape quality beyond placebo effect.

Personally, I couldn't care less how the Vamo's specifications compare to a Provari, my own device of choice surpasses both in capabilities. I have no hangup about noticing my half-busted vamo doesn't produce a significantly different vape at the same settings. I still prefer my device because it has a larger performance envelope.

Problem is, the provari doesn't, it actually has a smaller performance envelope. Which explains a lot of provari owner behavior, in the absence of obvious and significant advantages, insecurity creeps in and is compensated for by ostentatious self-affirmation.

I am not trying to scare you . No worries, if that doesn't change your mind nothing will. I can simply stop wasting my time showing you reality, you aren't interested. Convincing you is just not that important to me.

I had hoped the evidence I showed you would elicit a simple, "oh, I see the devices are clearly operating differently". Instead, more of the same old routine from you. Just your poorly supported opinions, no facts, no citations.

But the evidence of the O-scope I present is merely "ostentatious self-affirmation".

 

[Jeffafa]

2 each's own, I guess. I'm still trying to figure it all out, not jumping in with the Provari just yet.

 

[bfrie]

I am not trying to scare you . No worries, if that doesn't change your mind nothing will. I can simply stop wasting my time showing you reality, you aren't interested. Convincing you is just not that important to me.

I had hoped the evidence I showed you would elicit a simple, "oh, I see the devices are clearly operating differently". Instead, more of the same old routine from you. Just your poorly supported opinions, no facts, no citations.

But the evidence of the O-scope I present is merely "ostentatious self-affirmation".

Mr. Lion, I finally got my provari. Wheres my invite to the provarinati?

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[zoiDman]

Mr. Lion, I finally got my provari. Wheres my invite to the provarinati?

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It is usually Hand Delivered by a Head of State or Royal Family Member accompanied by a Couple of Super Models.

Sometimes it takes a little longer depending on Where you live.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Mr. Lion, I finally got my provari. Wheres my invite to the provarinati?

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You are called, not invited. But consider yourself called now. Feel free to use the symbol of the ProVarinati as well.