idiot misconceptions

[Arthur Dent]

Another thing I'm sensing socially is that the huge, ever-growing anti-smoking sentiment has essentially become an anti-SMOKER vibe. Witness the growing number of employers gleefully refusing to even hire smokers. It's the last group (along with the obese and illegal immigrants, I suppose) that people feel free to openly hate and abuse.

Some people seem to have a religious zeal for just slamming one segment of the population or another. Maybe it's insecurity (Well, at least I'm not one of *those* people).

The idea that smokers might simply switch to vaping frustrates all of that. So now we're seeing e-cigs simply tacked onto anti-smoking bans without explanation or thought.

You'd think anyone who truly objects to smoking, or worries about its effects, would be thrilled to hear that smokers are switching to a clean, smokeless, spit-less, odorless alternative that should bother no one, but the perverse need to control, resent, and punish others seems to be winning out in many cases.

 

[Morandir835]

You forgot the overweight. It's still one hundred percent ok to insult, rip on, or in any other way shape or form descrimate against fat people....

 

[deusXmchna]

Rant: ORGANICS

So, if it's organic it's safe, right? Nicotine is organic. So is arsenic....
If it's organic, it's healthy. It's safe. Wrong.

Indeed! Good Rant!
Ricin, cone snail venom,dart frog venom, polonium²¹⁰, botulinum toxin...
I could go on for pages. I loved the study of toxicology back in University. For certain, Mother Nature makes some of the most frightening molecules, compounds, & cocktails known to mankind.
Mother Nature doesn't suffer fools gladly...

 

[kristin]

I just feel the need to correct some mistakes I see posted here. I hate to see people getting it mixed up - which is easy to do because so many news articles screw it up!

1. E-cigs never contained diethylene glycol (DEG) as a standard, so they didn't "switch" to PG, it was always made with PG. Low grades or non-USP PG can sometimes be contaminated with DEG. The FDA detected approximately 1% diethylene glycol in one sample of 18 cartridges of just 2 brands tested. (The brands of the companies who just happened to be suing the FDA.) It was found in the cartridge, not in the vapor. Additionally, no tests before or after the FDA test has found DEG.

2. Diethylene glycol is NOT added to anifreeze to make it less toxic. It's very toxic, but not in the amount found by the FDA in that one cartridge. Antifreeze is actually made with ethylene glycol and sometimes also contains some diethylene glycol. PROPYLENE glycol is added to some antifreeze to make it less toxic.

3. Diethylene glycol is not sprayed on tobacco in the field. It's used in some tobacco production as a humectant in the processing - usually non-U.S. companies. It's meant to keep the leaves moist. However, most U.S. tobacco growers have switched to propylene glycol and glycerin as humectants.

That being said, everything found in e-cigs is also found in cigarettes, so by switching back to tobacco cigarettes, the OP's friend isn't protecting himself one bit. So now he is not only exposing himself to PG, nicotine and artificial flavorings, he is also exposing himself to arsenic, carbon monoxide, tar and 4,000+ other toxins PLUS dozens of tobacco-specific nitrosamines (carcinogens.) While e-cigarettes also have some nitrosamines due to the nicotine processed from tobacco, so do nicotine patches and gums. The amount of nitrosamines in e-cigarettes is so low they are about the same as found in FDA-approved patches and not considered a cancer risk. The nitrosamines found in cigarettes are about 1,200 times higher and are a definite cancer risk.

Let him chew on those facts! (Actually, even if he switched to tobacco chew he'd have less chance of getting cancer! Pun intended, LOL!)

 

[NoMatches]

Indeed! Good Rant!
Ricin, cone snail venom,dart frog venom, polonium²¹⁰, botulinum toxin...
I could go on for pages. I loved the study of toxicology back in University. For certain, Mother Nature makes some of the most frightening molecules, compounds, & cocktails known to mankind.
Mother Nature doesn't suffer fools gladly...

I could go on... LOL. Many vegtables labeled organic in the supermarket have more toxins that those not labeled organic. Plants still absorb toxins through their root systems. Sometimes the organic pesticides applied to "organic" crops conatin more pesticides and carcinogens than those that get treated by "chemical" sprays and controls.

It can be as simple as this: A small farm growing organic crops uses untreated water. The big farm that uses a minimum amount of man made pesticides uses treated water. The "organic" vegtable ends up having more toxins in it.

I've been around the produce and pesticide biz, so I know more than Joe Q Public. So much of it is just a scam....

 

[mzkitty]

The FDA exsists only because people misunderstood the book The Jungle by Upton Sinclair which was about socialism.

I went to my doctor and I told him I quit smoking and he said that was great, then I told him how. He proceeded to tell me how dangerous e-cigs were because they were not FDA approved. I told him all he said was that I had to stop inhaling carbon monoxide and he said "well I guess they are a little better than cigarettes"

Sheep, I swear......

 

[Maxwell_Edison]

I just feel the need to correct some mistakes I see posted here. I hate to see people getting it mixed up - which is easy to do because so many news articles screw it up!

2. Diethylene glycol is NOT added to anifreeze to make it less toxic. It's very toxic, but not in the amount found by the FDA in that one cartridge. Antifreeze is actually made with ethylene glycol and sometimes also contains some diethylene glycol. PROPYLENE glycol is added to some antifreeze to make it less toxic.

I said PG was added to anti-freeze to make it less poisonous. Sourced from CASAA 8 Myths About E-Cigs. Did I type DG by mistake or did someone else say this? DG is found in tobacco, as is PG, and 4,000 other chemicals. How it gets in tobacco isn't that important when someone says they are quitting the e-cig to go back to real cigs because they feel it's safer. Big Pharma, Tobacco, and the FDA will kill to keep their profits and kill without consience. That is sociopathic, like a serial killer, and that is the mind set of those putting out disinformation about the e-cig.

Yeah, too bad sheeple will believe it, because "I heard it on da news."

End of Rant

If you want to have your eyes opened to how the FDA works, google aspartame and FDA.

 

[LudaCura]

Ya, I see you're in NY too, LudaCura. It's all over the TV here because of the upcoming or hopefully not upcoming legislation here - all of a sudden I've got people making stinkface at me and saying, "Ew. That's one of those things that they say isn't good for you."

Yeah, I don't have a TV, so was completely unaware of these commercials or reports until several people brought it up when they saw me with my PV. Most non-smokers, but a few smokers as well. I felt like saying "geez, yeah, go ahead, let the idiot tube tell you exactly what to think, drink that koolaid, without bothering to spend a second of your time to actually research the issue before coming to any judgements handed down to from on up high." All of these people that have mentioned this to me are well-educated, successful professionals (writers, architects, engineers), and you would think that they would apply their well-honed critical thinking skills to this issue, rather than prescribing to the views foisted upon them.

But whatever, let them allow themselves to be lead by the nose, as long as my own rights to live more healthfully through my own choices aren't infringed upon.

 

[LudaCura]

I just feel the need to correct some mistakes I see posted here. I hate to see people getting it mixed up - which is easy to do because so many news articles screw it up!

1. E-cigs never contained diethylene glycol (DEG) as a standard, so they didn't "switch" to PG, it was always made with PG. Low grades or non-USP PG can sometimes be contaminated with DEG. The FDA detected approximately 1% diethylene glycol in one sample of 18 cartridges of just 2 brands tested. (The brands of the companies who just happened to be suing the FDA.) It was found in the cartridge, not in the vapor. Additionally, no tests before or after the FDA test has found DEG.

2. Diethylene glycol is NOT added to anifreeze to make it less toxic. It's very toxic, but not in the amount found by the FDA in that one cartridge. Antifreeze is actually made with ethylene glycol and sometimes also contains some diethylene glycol. PROPYLENE glycol is added to some antifreeze to make it less toxic.

3. Diethylene glycol is not sprayed on tobacco in the field. It's used in some tobacco production as a humectant in the processing - usually non-U.S. companies. It's meant to keep the leaves moist. However, most U.S. tobacco growers have switched to propylene glycol and glycerin as humectants.

That being said, everything found in e-cigs is also found in cigarettes, so by switching back to tobacco cigarettes, the OP's friend isn't protecting himself one bit. So now he is not only exposing himself to PG, nicotine and artificial flavorings, he is also exposing himself to arsenic, carbon monoxide, tar and 4,000+ other toxins PLUS dozens of tobacco-specific nitrosamines (carcinogens.) While e-cigarettes also have some nitrosamines due to the nicotine processed from tobacco, so do nicotine patches and gums. The amount of nitrosamines in e-cigarettes is so low they are about the same as found in FDA-approved patches and not considered a cancer risk. The nitrosamines found in cigarettes are about 1,200 times higher and are a definite cancer risk.

Let him chew on those facts! (Actually, even if he switched to tobacco chew he'd have less chance of getting cancer! Pun intended, LOL!)

Thanks Kristin I realize that I was ranting a bit in the first post and probably mixing up some essential facts, but the gist was the same. Thanks for clearing it all up!

 

[Maxwell_Edison]

Nicotine is present in certain human foods, especially plants from the family Solanaceae (such as potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant). You'd probably get more nicotine from caulifower than second hand vapor. There's so many logical responses to everything they say against the e-cig, but it's just not reaching people. Thanks state sponsored media.

 

[aubergine]

Bottom line:

 

[LudaCura]

Nicotine is present in certain human foods, especially plants from the family Solanaceae (such as potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant). You'd probably get more nicotine from caulifower than second hand vapor. There's so many logical responses to everything they say against the e-cig, but it's just not reaching people. Thanks state sponsored media.

Really?! That would explain why I practically live on tomatoes and eggplant

 

[wader2k]

Auby! Love Freddie King.....started off my morning right!

 

[maureengill]

I was thinking that is why I crave french fries and ketchup when I get depressed.....

Really?! That would explain why I practically live on tomatoes and eggplant

 

[Mariano]

I'm sorry to hear that Luda, but that's how unfortunately thinks work, media, lobbyists, big farma and tobacco corps, FDA all in the same boat just to make money.
Only think we can do is be proactive and keep on fighting for what we believe is the right thing, and is sad that some ppl is so easy to manipulate
But in the other hand I think some of this ppl just want an excuse to star smoking again and....don't feel too guilty about it?

 

[Davo]

Great title for the thread BTW. And what a great rant by all; I can't top all this. BUt I will add that the fact that people either can't or won't think for themselves is in great, one of the biggest problems we face today in our society. The "nanny state" is hard at work!

 

[Clover~]

Great title for the thread BTW. And what a great rant by all; I can't top all this. BUt I will add that the fact that people either can't or won't think for themselves is in great, one of the biggest problems we face today in our society. The "nanny state" is hard at work!

because your avatar is Hank Hill, I read that in his voice dangit, Bobby!

 

[plantlvr]

Auby! Love Freddie King.....started off my morning right!

Oh yeah Freddie is awesome! Thanks too Aubergine!

 

[Morandir835]

As did I Ms. Clover. I miss King of the Hill. Dale always had a way of touching my heart.

 

[Clover~]

I watch it erry day! on adult swim....9/8 central......