They'll find a way if they want to. We have to find a way to stop them. There are people working on our behalf right now that are trying to do this.
If e cig liquid is made illegal?
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They'll find a way if they want to. We have to find a way to stop them. There are people working on our behalf right now that are trying to do this.
Oh I know, it irritates me too. But it's a plausible outcome that "Could" happen and if need be people need to realize this. I love a lot of things in my life. But the governments don't care what I love or want... when have they?
Two easy ways:
1. Think of the children!
2. If it can just save one life!
Both BS lines have been used to attempt to stifle constitutional rights. What would stop them from using those lines to take away your "bad habbit"?
I'm tired of being "responsible" for other people's children. when I was little my parent's way of child proofing a lighter was to slap my hand and tell me NO. etc, etc
so ok I'm a grumpy old lady sometimes
In the unlikely case where liquid is banned, I would probably found the Church of the Velvet Cloud. The government has given wide lattitude to churches in such matters. The church would then file whatever paperwork is required to purchase the liquid building blocks to create exlixir for our rituals.
If vaping is safe and makes us happy,its against the law too stop it: not sure what # this ammendment is.
That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
—Virginia Declaration of Rights[14]
That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
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I'm tired of being "responsible" for other people's children. when I was little my parent's way of child proofing a lighter was to slap my hand and tell me NO. etc, etc
so ok I'm a grumpy old lady sometimes
yup. if i wanted to be responsible for kids, i'd have had my own.
guess that makes me a grumpy middle-aged lady
I would become a member of your church if you did it now
In fact, you would be able to easier to get whatever paperwork approved if the church was established BEFORE any bans happened. Something to think about 
Considering how easy it is to become ordained that's an excellent idea.
I am already pope of the church of the divine biscuit. Hmmmmmmmm.....
I have a plan. I went to Majorcia many years ago and the booze sellers over there had a good idea..... They sold spirits in wine bottles so we could buy lots of them and get them into the UK. Just need a country that does not ban the sale of pharma nicotine.... Into a couple of wine bottles and back I come.would only have to do it every couple of years. Bad boy.
Mostly correct but not quite on the e-cigarettes.
1) While the FDA announced in April 2011 (via this letter to stakeholders) that it intends to use FSPCTA to deem e-cigarettes subject to FDA tobacco product regulations it has not yet done so, therefore, e-cigarettes are not yet "protected" under the tobacco act as are other "official" tobacco products. Meaning, e-cigarettes are not drugs per Sottera vs. FDA, but they aren't officially tobacco products either, until the FDA passes regulations that make them so.
2) Even when the FDA officially pulls e-cigarettes in under the "tobacco products" umbrella, the FSPTCA gives the FDA the power to regulate "new" tobacco products differently than established tobacco products specifically named in the Act. As the letter states, the FDA could decide that most e-cigarettes have been modified to the point that they fall under the "new" product category and are subject to "pre-market approval" by the FDA. The FDA could then choose not to approve the products for marketing (ie. a de facto ban because then e-cigarettes would be unapproved "new or modified" tobacco products.) Additionally, because there were no e-cigarettes that were even legally recognized as "tobacco products" prior to February 2007, the FDA could claim even those that were on the market prior to the cut-off date also aren't grandfathered because they weren't legally recognized "tobacco products" at the time. But once the FDA allows for e-cigarettes to be considered tobacco products, even those that could say they should be considered "grandfathered" could have to still prove that to the FDA and be prohibited from marketing their products until the FDA agrees they have proven they should be grandfathered in (again, another de facto ban that could last months, even years.)
So, while the FDA wouldn't have the power to declare e-cigarettes to be "tobacco products" and then ban them or require them to be 0 nicotine, it could feasibly declare them tobacco products and then refuse to approve any of them during required pre-market approval for "new" or "modified" products. This is why CASAA is fighting against the FDA applying the current regulations (as written) to e-cigarettes, because e-cigarettes just don't fit into the intended purpose of the Act. It would be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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That stuff has been around at least since WWII, more than long enough to satisfy the "substantial equivalence" test. Even if they tried, they'd still have to publish a notice in the Federal Register, allow 60 days for public comment and then try to avoid an injunction from dealers/distributors. That's more than enough time for us to stock up, right?
Except that everyone else will have the same idea and there will be shortages. Not everyone will be able to stock up as much as they want in a short time window.
And where does that leave the current smokers who have not yet discovered vaping?
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