If they take it away its YOUR fault!!!!!!

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We could have rights, there are just too many people who sit back and let those rights be taken away. Our society is lazy. We actually have to DO something about it. That statement "Can't fight the government" just irks me and gets on my last nerve. You can fight the government. They're not superheros. They don't have ray guns that will blast people away when they don't agree. They eat, sleep and poop the same way we all do. They're just put on pedestals.

The problem is lack of involvement. Yes, it takes time. Yes, it may not be pretty. Yes, it can get exhaustive. But in order to have those rights, we have to want those rights. To start, everyone who wants to vape without having to find a black market for it NEEDS to start by signing that petition. Will it do any good? I'm hopeful to at least get heard.
 

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I signed already and I posted that link on my facebook page. I encourage everyone that has a FB page to do the same just to get the word out more by branching out outside of the forum here. It can't hurt.

I just threw a link onto one of our local vendor's FB page.
 

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Sorry to say this, only took 5 minutes. If a person can't take time to sign a petition, or vote they have no reason to complain. We should crush the amount of signatures required. People take the time to stand up for something you believe in.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd

You would think !...This forum alone has over 100 thousand members. I know people from some parts can't sign this, But I'm sure at least half the people on here are americans.
 

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The way this is going to be beat isn't by signing a petition I am sorry to say. What needs to be done is for us to make a sweeping effort to educate our elected representatives from local city to State to the US Congress.

Put together a 3-5 person team and have each team member be extremely conversant on one part of the subject.

1. PG and VG, what they are, who uses them other than vapers, their safety record, use by doctors and hospitals etc.
2. Nicotine, explain why it is not the danger cigarettes are, explain it exists in everyday food and show how it is even being found beneficial. Use doctor's studies.
3. Flavoring, explain how the flavors are FDA food grade approved and explain how different flavors than just tobacco flavors can help a person quit cigarettes. Also mention their is a self regulating group in the US working to insure safety in e-juice, the AEMSA American E-liquid Manufacturers
4. Explain why PVs work when the patch, gum, and other methods fail. How it substitutes for the oral habit of smoking, something all the other methods lack. Also mention the savings this will have in health care costs.
5. Explain why the often repeated FDA study was so severely flawed.

Have hard copies of all the positive reports bound for a professional presentation. Another bound booklet of testimonials would be nice as well. Rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. Make sure each member knows their parts forwards and backwards. You do not want a conversation full of ummmms and ahhhhs. Have several 0 nicotine cartridges filled with a variety of flavors for your audience to try. Plan for a 15 minute presentation and make appointments...don't just barge into their office and expect to be heard.

Do this at each level of government, the higher the office the harder it will be to get a meeting but it helps to let them know you have already spoken to elected officials in more local offices first.

We can win through education and information. There are tons of references in the medical forum here in the ECF for a group to use. Talk to your doctors and see if you can get a doctor on board with your group. Talk with local smoking cessation organizations.

All this takes more time than signing a petition but it is what will actually work.

One last thing...dress like a professional, no vape t-shirts and jeans. I would say business casual at the minimum.
 
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While I agree with you, I believe its a start. If we can't join together to get 25000 signed petitions it to me will show everyone you talked about educating that we weren't serious in our support. Besides educating our elected representatives from local city to State to the US Congress, we have the FDA to deal with. We have to remember if the FDA takes it away, it will be a long uphill battle to get it back and chances are we won't.
 
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jimmyh:8391528 said:
Sorry to say this, only took 5 minutes. If a person can't take time to sign a petition, or vote they have no reason to complain. We should crush the amount of signatures required. People take the time to stand up for something you believe in.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd

You really think a stupid petition is going to change anything? Seriously, you people can not be this dumb.

Here let me play this one out for you, the petition has to reach an artificial threshold of signatures predetermined by the White House, who can move this number up or down as they see fit, check last weeks news....go ahead....Ill wait....

Then if a petition hits the required number of signatures, the White House doesn't legally have to do anything. Not that they ever promised to, the required number of signatures only gets you a response.

So let me save you the trouble, here is what you will get.
"I thank you for being involved and speaking your mind. I respect your opinion on this matter, and I have faith that the FDA is working hard to get to the facts on ecigs. I await their decision.

Kindly go eff yourself
Obama"

This will not help at all.
 

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you really think your congressman gives a flying .... ecigs? it doesnt affect them, why should he/she care? thats how this government is. if it doesnt affect them they couldn't care less..

Its better than doing nothing about it and then complaining afterwards. Maybe we should vote in people who care and not party lines.
 
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