If Vaping replaces cigarettes

[Steam Turbine]

Wanna keep kids away ? Just keep having us "old folks" keep saying vaping is "cool". If WE like it; it must be lame !! Because, y'know, we're old....and we still use the word "cool" to describe something...

When I was young I though that Clint Eastwood looked very cool when he smoked his cigars... And he was old back then to! Kids find some old folks very cool. Robert Downey Junior is 48 (for kids that's old) and cool as hell in his Iron Man suit, just throw a Sid in his hands and then ask your kids if they think vaping looks cool.

 

[xEtherized]

I don't know if me being 19 is considered a "kid" but I've pretty much picked up on vaping real quick. From personal experience though I must say it's a social thing. It started off as hookah lounges and then came the smoke tricks that were so irresistibly "cool to master." Most of the hookah lounges don't ID so you will see a bunch of 16-18 year olds in them. As soon as I found out about vaping I dove straight into sub ohm building and collecting mods. I only smoke 0 nic. I do it for the clouds. I never was a smoker or anything lol. I really don't know what it is but blowing out clouds with a pen is just plain cool to me

 

[DoogieTony]

Nope, Ironman would have a provari attachment.

 

[Steam Turbine]

Nope, Ironman would have a provari attachment.

Very true.

 

[Train2]

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[RoseB]

The smell of tobacco burning is what attracted me to cigarettes as a child. It always smelled good to me. That is why I started. E cigs were/are a means to an end. My kids ask about my e cig. So have their friends. I tell them that it's something I do so I don't smoke. That if I had never started smoking I could have bought lots of fun things. Now I am doing this and it costs money. Money I don't get to spend on really fun stuff. Like a new Xbox Anything I can think of to make it seam unappealing to children. My oldest child knows about how cigarettes have taken down various members of my family. Hopefully they (my children) will never feel any need for nicotine.

 

[soba1]

I would rather them take up vaping than smoking

 

[Dbabbster]

Flavors. Flavors. Flavors. Kids and the FDA. They will come for the flavors

In 2009 the FDA was successful in placing a ban on flavored cigarettes (excluding menthol) sold in the United States. I think Pandora's box has been opened regarding flavored e juices with the access of DIY products. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

 

[Madison76]

In 2009 the FDA was successful in placing a ban on flavored cigarettes (excluding menthol) sold in the United States. I think Pandora's box has been opened regarding flavored e juices with the access of DIY products. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

If you read the Tobacco Act, the definitions seem to capture nicotine liquid which regulate flavors. I am a bit surprised they have not acted on this aspect yet, but it will most likely be a part of the overall plan to regulate the industry.

If the bureaucrats at the FDA could pull their heads out of their butts, they could HELP this industry become something that helps all people quit smoking...and eventually ween themselves of nicotine as well. Things like QC are good. However, I have no faith that the FDA will actually get this right.

 

[S1LV3R]

If you read the Tobacco Act, the definitions seem to capture nicotine liquid which regulate flavors. I am a bit surprised they have not acted on this aspect yet, but it will most likely be a part of the overall plan to regulate the industry.

If the bureaucrats at the FDA could pull their heads out of their butts, they could HELP this industry become something that helps all people quit smoking...and eventually ween themselves of nicotine as well. Things like QC are good. However, I have no faith that the FDA will actually get this right.

No they most definitely will not get right!!! And the reason being is they are able to be lobbyed. And when that started happening, the corporation with the deepest pockets will always has always won!!! See Monsanto, Big Pharma and Big Tobacco wins in the fda to really understand what the hell is going on.

I think all politicians and boards like the usda and fda should have to wear their current sponsors on their jackets like a nascar driver so we know exactly who is owning them at the current moment!!

 

[DC2]

I think all politicians and boards like the usda and fda should have to wear their current sponsors on their jackets like a nascar driver so we know exactly who is owning them at the current moment!!

This is the best idea of all time.

 

[Bob Chill]

Kids will pick up on it. Never underestimate teenagers and vices. Heck, pot is more prevalent in high school than alcohol nowadays and that carries exponentially greater consequences for possessing or selling (except for CO and WA. lol). If it's interesting, age restricted, or against the law and has a "side effect" then kids will be kids. Luckily nic alone doesn't have near the grip of cigarettes. And vaping doesn't start a lifelong path of wasted health and dire consequences.

The flavor part is going to have controversy. No way around that. The flavor part of tobacco shouldn't be apples to apples unless they deem vaping to have dire and costly health consequences. Look at all those beautiful and tasty wine coolers and hard lemonades etc on the shelves. Not to mention all the delicious frozen drinks you can buy ready made that can hide an extra 4 shots of vodka in an 8 ounce glass. Heh.

There are a whole lotta directions regulation can go towards vaping. I'm not worried about flavor. That's the least of my worries. The 800lb gorilla is the insanely cheap big bottles of unflavored nic that you can order as easily as a sandwich at a deli. My instincts tell me that big tobacco will become big nic. If that were to happen we all know where we'll end up.

 

[justagirl]

Kids will pick up on it. Never underestimate teenagers and vices. Heck, pot is more prevalent in high school than alcohol nowadays and that carries exponentially greater consequences for possessing or selling (except for CO and WA. lol). If it's interesting, age restricted, or against the law and has a "side effect" then kids will be kids. Luckily nic alone doesn't have near the grip of cigarettes. And vaping doesn't start a lifelong path of wasted health and dire consequences.

The flavor part is going to have controversy. No way around that. The flavor part of tobacco shouldn't be apples to apples unless they deem vaping to have dire and costly health consequences. Look at all those beautiful and tasty wine coolers and hard lemonades etc on the shelves. Not to mention all the delicious frozen drinks you can buy ready made that can hide an extra 4 shots of vodka in an 8 ounce glass. Heh.

There are a whole lotta directions regulation can go towards vaping. I'm not worried about flavor. That's the least of my worries. The 800lb gorilla is the insanely cheap big bottles of unflavored nic that you can order as easily as a sandwich at a deli. My instincts tell me that big tobacco will become big nic. If that were to happen we all know where we'll end up.

Agree 100%... that will quickly become a thing of the past.

Unfortunately I also agree that kids will pick up on it... not because of the flavors but because they are not "suppose to" do it.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

No they most definitely will not get right!!! And the reason being is they are able to be lobbyed. And when that started happening, the corporation with the deepest pockets will always has always won!!! See Monsanto, Big Pharma and Big Tobacco wins in the fda to really understand what the hell is going on.

I think all politicians and boards like the usda and fda should have to wear their current sponsors on their jackets like a nascar driver so we know exactly who is owning them at the current moment!!

"Lobbying" is a constitutionally protected activity that falls under the First Amendment. All government employees and elected officials may be approached and communicated with in order for consituents and consituent corporations to have their grievances or desires expressed.

Campaign contributions are also constitutionally protected as a form of free speech, and corporations enjoy the same rights you and I do when it comes to deciding who gets our contributions. That they have so much deeper pockets is something no one can do a thing about without amending our Constitution, and good luck with that. It is what it is.

I don't trust FDA to get it right either, but by the same token I think FDA has yet to get their collective heads around this industry. There's hardware/equipment, and there's e-liquid. They might be able to ban flavored liquids, but all that does is keep you from getting flavors already mixed. PG is not illegal, nor is VG, USP grade liquid nicotine, food grade flavorings and sweeteners.

A caramel apple flavor can be had by ordering all of the ingredients separately from one another and mixing as soon as it gets in your hands.

Good luck enforcing such a ban against cottage shops who extract their own nicotine from tobacco and derive their own flavors.

And the magic "functional equivalent" threshold is met by the fact that e-cig devices have been around in one shape or another since 1987.

We have an interesting year or so ahead. But I think with the resounding victory in Soterra v FDA, we actually have the upper hand.

 

[Bob Chill]

Agree 100%... that will quickly become a thing of the past.

Unfortunately I also agree that kids will pick up on it... not because of the flavors but because they are not "suppose to" do it.

Yea, teenagers will never change. Heck, I was one of those teens and I made a very bad choice with cigs. The most regrettable decision of my life. Everything else is easy to grow out of. At least for me. But not the vice like grip of cigs.

I think that vast majority of teens who pick up on long term vaping would have been then next lifetime customer of BT anyways. It's a wiring thing IMO. Most of us try it at some point just because. Some find zero interest in continuing. Some dabble and don't get much out of it over time and move on. And others (like me) are stuck in the middle of a multi-decadal battle of trying to figure out how to stop.

I think the same will end up happening with teens and vaping but with a much lighter grip. The only people who stick with it for a long time are the same ones wired for being a lifetime smoker. So be it. I have 4 kids. My two oldest are at that ripe age of 16 to test the cigarette thing. If they do I will buy them a pv and show them the ropes. And if they choose that path rather than tobacco then I'll be thrilled and relieved.

 

[23duncster23]

With all the stuff kids try each day.. I can see kids picking up vaping. I think it may even have more allure in a sense than analogs. Kids like to start trends and show things off. What better than a tackle box full of neat shiny new PVs.

 

[DC2]

The 800lb gorilla is the insanely cheap big bottles of unflavored nic that you can order as easily as a sandwich at a deli. My instincts tell me that big tobacco will become big nic. If that were to happen we all know where we'll end up.

Do you know what would be worse than Big Tobacco becoming Big Nicotine?
Big Pharma becoming Big Nicotine.

And I have no doubt that is the plan that Big Pharma is following across the globe.
So far, courts in a number of countries (including here) have stuck a wrench in that plan for now.

Seeing how it plays out will be interesting, and most likely quite sickening.

 

[Bob Chill]

Do you know what would be worse than Big Tobacco becoming Big Nicotine?
Big Pharma becoming Big Nicotine.

And I have no doubt that is the plan that Big Pharma is following across the globe.
So far, courts in a number of countries (including here) have stuck a wrench in that plan for now.

Seeing how it plays out will be interesting, and most likely quite sickening.

Absolutely. It will be a great big symphony between the 2 industries. BT for the raw and BP for the refined. Working in perfect unison along with the tax man to stick it to us worse than Wilt Chamberlain did to the Knicks in 1962 all in the name of share price and ceo bonuses.

I know it's coming. I've been around long enough and seen enough regulatory hammers to make me want to puke. There is no stopping it unless something magical happens. I'll take the under on the magic. I'm already ready to start stockpiling unflavored juice. Gotta make sure I have the best freezing tech figured out. If I can buy 5 years or so after the hammer I'll be happy. If the hammer doesn't drop I'll be happy. Win-win

 

[Orb Skewer]

"Lobbying" is a constitutionally protected activity that falls under the First Amendment. All government employees and elected officials may be approached and communicated with in order for consituents and consituent corporations to have their grievances or desires expressed.

Campaign contributions are also constitutionally protected as a form of free speech, and corporations enjoy the same rights you and I do when it comes to deciding who gets our contributions. That they have so much deeper pockets is something no one can do a thing about without amending our Constitution, and good luck with that. It is what it is.

I don't trust FDA to get it right either, but by the same token I think FDA has yet to get their collective heads around this industry. There's hardware/equipment, and there's e-liquid. They might be able to ban flavored liquids, but all that does is keep you from getting flavors already mixed. PG is not illegal, nor is VG, USP grade liquid nicotine, food grade flavorings and sweeteners.

A caramel apple flavor can be had by ordering all of the ingredients separately from one another and mixing as soon as it gets in your hands.

Good luck enforcing such a ban against cottage shops who extract their own nicotine from tobacco and derive their own flavors.

And the magic "functional equivalent" threshold is met by the fact that e-cig devices have been around in one shape or another since 1987.

We have an interesting year or so ahead. But I think with the resounding victory in Soterra v FDA, we actually have the upper hand.

Ahem
1963-when you, and I and at least half of this here forums members may have been toddlers-or just a twinkle in our Daddies eyes

Patent US3200819 - SMOKELESS NON-TOBACCO CIGARETTE - Google Patents

 

[DkGanz]

Vaping is the "cool" thing to do at my kid's high school. Analogs are for losers. The ones that are doing it all use 0 nic though. Clouds are cool, nicotine and smelling like a bonfire are not.