OK back on point , like Camp43 said , lets work on the next thing .
Good post Zen~
PS: I also understand the desire for a single battery !!
Good post Zen~
PS: I also understand the desire for a single battery !!
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And I've "stacked" them, too! 7.4v in a little over the space of a 14500... 350MaH of variable voltage fun when used with a terminator...
Zen~, you sound like meDon't you have a ProVari also? How long does it last you?
I kinda hate talking about the ProVari in this thread, and I hope it doesn't turn into a discussion about the competitors product in general. But as I have both a Buzz and a ProVari, I may actually add some useful information here.
On the ProVari, The 18650 1600MaH battery vapes 6-7 Ml of juice.. so that could be anywhere from 8-11 hours, depending on what other activities I'm doing. Some days I vape over 10Ml of juice... We're into the second battery on those days. On REALLY stressful days in the office, that HAS hit 15Ml for a couple weeks at a time.
That being said, I'm not the biggest fan of using hours to measure battery life... there's too many variables... one guy may take 10 tiny little hits per hour, others like myself may actually go through a Ml and 70-100 hits in the same hour, depending on what's happening.
The Buzz gets less time on LR attys and the ProVari gets better time, and there's a good reason for this. The ProVari provides MUCH more time on LR, because the boost circuit isn't running hard. On HR Attys the ProVari BLOWS through batteries, and that is something to consider, because the BOOST circuit is SUCKING big 'ol GOBS of current out of that poor 1600MaH IMR.
I know a lot of folks enjoy LR vaping, and on a 3.7v Mod, it's pretty good... HOWEVER... With Higher voltage AND A higher resistance atty, you get longer coils in that atty, and longer coils equals more surface area which in turn equals a more solid vapor output. As they say in race cars, there's no substitute for cubic inches... The bigger coil REALLY makes a difference, and it's far from subtle.
So.. as I like HR attys because frankly, little coils designed for lower voltages are so... wimpy... and fragile as well... Then hitting the HR attys with higher voltage gives a solid advantage to the buzz, because My trusty Buzz suffers NO penalty from higher voltage vaping... The "stacked" batteries are STARTING at 8.4 V and the regulator cuts it down to a manageable level with virtually no penalty in battery life... THIS is because at higher voltages it takes less CURRENT to deliver the goods, and when a battery runs out of current, it's time for a recharge. SO... higher voltage = longer battery life... as opposed to that poor ProVari yanking current out of that battery like there's no tomorrow to hit the HV sweet spot.
The Infinity will also be HV friendly due the the "stacked" batteries power source...
By The Way, I like the ProVari quite a bit... It's nicely built and it does a fine job across the voltage range, but when push comes to shove, when I want horsepower...
Advantage goes to Buzz, no matter HOW long the batteries last, because simply put, the Higher Voltage starting point, for me at least, produces a serious whallop.
It's like comparing a Street Rod with a HUGE motor to a Drifter... Some like the high rev of the little Japanese motor as it stresses to deliver every single horsepower, I prefer the lope of a big 'Ol V8 with TONS of head-room in the torque department.
Just my 50th of a buck... Stack 'em if ya got 'em...
It doesn't change my mind, but I'm glad I read that anyway.
You actually explained that in a way that didn't make my brain bleed.
I'm a pretty light vaper, and I am fine with my Joye 510 2.2ohm atomizers.
In fact, I've sold off all my other atomizers already.
But then again, I'm not sure I need variable voltage anyway.
You actually explained that in a way that didn't make my brain bleed.
I'm a pretty light vaper, and I am fine with my Joye 510 2.2ohm atomizers.
In fact, I've sold off all my other atomizers already.
But then again, I'm not sure I need variable voltage anyway.
Yeah, I was at one time in that exact same place. My first shot at variable was with a homebuilt mod that I decided to stick a terminator on. I remember ordering the terminator thinking that it seemed a tad bit expensive, but also realizing it was a cheap way to find out if vv was worth doing. So I went for it.
I got the thing and installed it on a diy box with two 14500s, I got out my meter and set the voltage at 5v... It was a bit hot for the atty, so I dialed it down a bit... It was better... Then a bit more... Better still... Then further... Perfection!
It was quick, and easy and when I took off the atty and checked the voltage... I was at 4.8v... I remember thinking "OMG... Two tenths of a volt and it went from scorching to perfection."
It was at that exact moment that I realized that finding a good vape could be done by mixing and matching attys to an existing battery voltage... But the nearly perfect vape requires adjusting the voltage and setting it for the atty.
Sure, ya can get close with fixed voltage, but getting an atty that just nails the perfect load is like finding a needle in a haystack.
VV makes every atty the perfect atty. It doesn't take a display or a meter to get there either... It takes making a simple adjustment until it feels right, and boy do you know when it's right!
I've sold all my mods except the Buzz, the ProVari and a Leo that I have for a backup. I use the VVs exclusively because after seeing how good it can be with it dialed in and perfect, everything else just feels a bit "less".
And no amount of words could have convinced me that it would be that much better.
I'm excited about the infinity... It's going to be a VV at a price that people have actually paid for eGos in the past year! Can you imagine how many more folks will be able to experience VV at this price point? It's remarkable that Mike is able to get it to the market under a hundred bucks.
I'm anxious to get one, then I'll ditch the Leo too... Lol...I mean, I CAN vape on fixed voltage, but why would I?
I love VV for most of the resons already mentioned in this thread. Besides a few bottom-feeder mods out there, I will NEVER buy any other PV without VV, bottom line. I love having the control it provides, and the ability to dial in ANY atty to the perfect "sweet spot" on the same device.
In well over a year and too many authentic Joye 510's to count the grand majority have been 2.1Ω, and only a few at 2.2Ω.
Total agreement there. My hats off to you Zen your posts are very good explanations to someone like me that is pretty new to all this. I actually learned some very helpful information from your posts on this thread, thanks.
Actually my limited experience has been the same, but since I am using a crappy $8 voltmeter I went with what I had read about them.
Irrespective of the event in question, it is highly unlikely that the event was caused by "stacking". I do believe the batteries were stacked, but I do not believe the stacking caused the failure. The cell that failed first must have been compromised in some way, or a short circuit occurred.
I would have to agree simply stacking batteries by itself doesn't make them vent. Some other factor caused the venting, that could have been prevented with using protected batteries. It was already pointed out but i will say it again if stacking batteries was so bad then why do 95% of laptops use li ion stacked batteries. But laptop batteries are protected which makes them pretty safe. Miss use of unprotected li ion batteries is what it boils down to. Unprotected batteries are sold for mainly one reason stacking with it being the person stacking them responsibility to protect them.
Having said that and to get back to the original topic VV is where it is at. Dial your atomizers voltage to vaporizing perfection is how i look at it.
Having said that and to get back to the original topic VV is where it is at. Dial your atomizers voltage to vaporizing perfection is how i look at it.
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