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I agree about the LR, it was too much for me at first. Now however, reg attys aren't enough unless on a 5v, of course
I think the first post is excellent for a newbie. Although I'd go for the Riva.
I fully agree with the eGo choice. After doing LOTS of research...actually to give credit where credit is due...after my WIFE did lots of research we decided on the eGO. Now we both have four of them JUST IN CASE ya know? She got some LR attys too but I haven't used them yet since I'm perfectly satisfied with the eGo mega atty so far. Haven't tried the waffle flavor but I'll keep it in mind. We're experimenting with DIY juices at the moment.
Thanks for mentioning the Riva.
For the new vaper - It may seem confusing but all you have to remember is that the ego style battery that was designed by JOYE was copied by other manufacturers and JOYE also allowed some of their customers to market the battery under other names without mentioning JOYE. So the tornado, riva, fatty, hello, janty ego, etc. are all basically the same. I say "basically" the same because they all run at about the same voltage but some may be slightly bigger so they last a little longer. The riva is one of these ego style batteries made by another manufacture that is popular right now because it is cheaper than the JOYE and the reports are that it is of comparable quality. So all you need to remember is that if it looks like the ego but has another name it is probably basically the same thing.
On the attomizer debate - If you buy a kit you will get a standard 501 attomizer with carts. Spend another $10 and buy a Cisco LR 306. They fit just like the 510 but are a little shorter which you may or may not like, but the vapor production and the "warmth" of the vapor is much stronger. There are also LR 510 attys which are also very good but not quite as good. There are also many manufatures of attys but the "Cisco" uses a better wire material and only costs a couple bucks more. Many people can tell the difference in the vapor so that is why I was more specific on the atty brand.
I would list where to buy these things but it will just start a whole other debate. As you may have noticed vapers are often fiercly loyal to thier brands, juices, and suppliers. Just remember you should never have to spend more than $60 for an ego style kit or more than $10 for a quality attomizer and you can usally even do much better than this if you do the research.
For the new vaper - It may seem confusing but all you have to remember is that the ego style battery that was designed by JOYE was copied by other manufacturers and JOYE also allowed some of their customers to market the battery under other names without mentioning JOYE. So the tornado, riva, fatty, hello, janty ego, etc. are all basically the same. I say "basically" the same because they all run at about the same voltage but some may be slightly bigger so they last a little longer. The riva is one of these ego style batteries made by another manufacture that is popular right now because it is cheaper than the JOYE and the reports are that it is of comparable quality. So all you need to remember is that if it looks like the ego but has another name it is probably basically the same thing.
On the attomizer debate - If you buy a kit you will get a standard 501 attomizer with carts. Spend another $10 and buy a Cisco LR 306. They fit just like the 510 but are a little shorter which you may or may not like, but the vapor production and the "warmth" of the vapor is much stronger. There are also LR 510 attys which are also very good but not quite as good. There are also many manufatures of attys but the "Cisco" uses a better wire material and only costs a couple bucks more. Many people can tell the difference in the vapor so that is why I was more specific on the atty brand.
I would list where to buy these things but it will just start a whole other debate. As you may have noticed vapers are often fiercly loyal to thier brands, juices, and suppliers. Just remember you should never have to spend more than $60 for an ego style kit or more than $10 for a quality attomizer and you can usally even do much better than this if you do the research.
I understand your reasoning for posting your original message, but all of your choices are subjective. Everyone is different and needs to figure out what THEY prefer on their own and not what YOU prefer. Some need to buy the cheapass e-cig kits in order to realize why they should have bought an eGo to begin with.
I've never tried LR atomizers, but I know I wouldn't be able to use them, because 5 volt passthroughs produce too much warm vapor for me. The warmer vapor gradually burns my mouth, throat, and chest, so I had to quit using the 5V passthroughs. Therefore, I will not ever waste money on LR atomizers. AND there is evidence in many posts at ECF that LR atomizers and LR cartomizers do shorten the life of eGo and comparable batteries.
Tastes are subjective. Period. There's no use in trying to explain this.
I've spent over $1,600 in the first two months of vaping, and a lot of that was money wasted on products I'll never use or shouldn't have bought, but I have enough juice and cartomizers to last until May and enough batteries to last for much longer.
My choices would be completely different from yours, after two months and six days of vaping:
A few Joye eGo 900mAh batteries (goodprophets.com or litecigusa.net) (avoid the generics and 650mAh kits, get the 900mAh batteries that last a few hours longer before needing to be recharged)
One or two standard 510 atomizers to test out juices (and don't debridge them) (litecigusa.net)
KR808D-1 cartomizers (better flavor than Boge 510 cartomizers) (litecigusa.net or goodprophets.com), rotate about 15 and discard after three to four weeks, if you're a heavy vaper
Use 510-battery to 808/901-atomizer adapters (goodprophets.com)
Metal tapered drip tips (goodprophets.com)
2amp AC to USB wall adapter (madvapes.com)
eGo fast USB charger (litecigusa.net)
RY4 mixed with Apple (and possibly caramel and nut mix)(freedomsmokeusa.com)
I've never tried LR atomizers, but I know I wouldn't be able to use them, because 5 volt passthroughs produce too much warm vapor for me. The warmer vapor gradually burns my mouth, throat, and chest, so I had to quit using the 5V passthroughs. Therefore, I will not ever waste money on LR atomizers. AND there is evidence in many posts at ECF that LR atomizers and LR cartomizers do shorten the life of eGo and comparable batteries.
Tastes are subjective. Period. There's no use in trying to explain this.
I've spent over $1,600 in the first two months of vaping, and a lot of that was money wasted on products I'll never use or shouldn't have bought, but I have enough juice and cartomizers to last until May and enough batteries to last for much longer.
My choices would be completely different from yours, after two months and six days of vaping:
A few Joye eGo 900mAh batteries (goodprophets.com or litecigusa.net) (avoid the generics and 650mAh kits, get the 900mAh batteries that last a few hours longer before needing to be recharged)
One or two standard 510 atomizers to test out juices (and don't debridge them) (litecigusa.net)
KR808D-1 cartomizers (better flavor than Boge 510 cartomizers) (litecigusa.net or goodprophets.com), rotate about 15 and discard after three to four weeks, if you're a heavy vaper
Use 510-battery to 808/901-atomizer adapters (goodprophets.com)
Metal tapered drip tips (goodprophets.com)
2amp AC to USB wall adapter (madvapes.com)
eGo fast USB charger (litecigusa.net)
RY4 mixed with Apple (and possibly caramel and nut mix)(freedomsmokeusa.com)
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My personal rig of preference is a 3.7v Bartleby (love the USB charging and PT function!) with a VapeMate feeding either a 1.5ohm LR atty or a nice, 2ohm Boge LR carto - that beastly setup is a real vapor horse! 
My point would be that no person can try everything in order to find what works the best for him or her. In other words, everyone is different and will like different things, and those things may not necessarily be the things you like the best.
Another simple way to say this is: Posting what you like with the intention of trying to persuade everyone to buy what you like is pointless. But, as I said, I understand why you posted your original message. You were trying to help save people money, but people, in general, prefer to try various things until they find what they like.
Does that make any more sense?
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The joye ego is a good recommendation, and its a good place to start for a newbie. It's one I settled on after a lot of expensive experimentation. Its a very popular e-cig for a good reason. Though perhaps if you go straight to it without trying the sucky ones it may not seem as great.
I can say dont go with anything from V2 cigs.com they overpriced and took them 7 weeks to get my first order complete.....
I agree with this completely! At this time, after two months, I have no desire to try any other battery. I love my eGos (all nine of them)! But even though I wasted money on two cheap starter kits, wasted money on 7 passthroughs (3 different brands), went through the hassle of returning everything to the first supplier I bought from (who charged prices that were way too high for the cheap-quality products), I don't regret that two-week experience (when I kept my eye on the battery charger, waiting for the green light to come on, while having to smoke cigarettes during those times), since it helps me to appreciate the Joye eGo much more.
It's all so subjective. One's persons 'sweet spot' is another person's.....'meh'.
I've spent a couple thou on all my equipment and sometimes I still go back to my l88b (blu equivalent)
I've spent a couple thou on all my equipment and sometimes I still go back to my l88b (blu equivalent)
I agree with the OP in a big way and here is why. The first and foremost concern for a new vaper is 1. Not make a huge mistake and 2. Get something that works.
While any PV choice "might" not be what they ultimately want, long term, at least they will have a proper vaping experience and have a good reference point. If they choose something else - they may not.
With regard to the risk of ruining batteries using LR, here is my take. I have used Boge LR cartomizers for 1.5 months and have had no issues. If it did ruin a battery after 2 or 3 months - I will buy another battery. $20 every 2 months is a non issue to me. If they ruined them immediately then obviously that would be a different matter. But that has not been my experience - thus far.
I have not used the 306 atty's and likely won't as I like the Boge LR carto's - so no need right now. The Boge LR carto's are 2.0 Ohms, perhaps other LR are lower and cause more of an issue - or perhaps I have just been fortunate - not sure.
While any PV choice "might" not be what they ultimately want, long term, at least they will have a proper vaping experience and have a good reference point. If they choose something else - they may not.
With regard to the risk of ruining batteries using LR, here is my take. I have used Boge LR cartomizers for 1.5 months and have had no issues. If it did ruin a battery after 2 or 3 months - I will buy another battery. $20 every 2 months is a non issue to me. If they ruined them immediately then obviously that would be a different matter. But that has not been my experience - thus far.
I have not used the 306 atty's and likely won't as I like the Boge LR carto's - so no need right now. The Boge LR carto's are 2.0 Ohms, perhaps other LR are lower and cause more of an issue - or perhaps I have just been fortunate - not sure.
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^+1, I love the Boge LR cartos and they are all I pretty much use on all my devices. With and without adapters.
Glad to hear you haven't had any problems with dead eGos yet. I know MistressNomad had one die after she started using an LR atty (see her Vapor Muse blog, the 2nd blog down, as of today). I've read other messages where people have mentioned their eGos died after using an LR atty. But, you're right, if you have to buy new batteries every month or two, it's no big deal (except for those who can't afford it).
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