Ill Advised E-liquid Packaging?

[Jman8]

I'm not searching out problems - this one landed in my lap and if anyone believes this type of presentation won't be a problem is fooling themselves

I say let it be a problem. Again, it ain't going to stop because of this thread's discussion (or ones like it), nor is it going to stop because some are concerned or wish to go on a political witch hunt.

The larger issue is about kids vaping (or not). If one is a self identified member of the vaping community (or simply a self identified vaper) and they wish to express that they fully agree with a ban on sales to / use by minors, then IMO, they've already either not thought this through all that well or they've squarely addressed this issue in that you can't later claim ANY type of packaging is being targeted or made to appeal to kids. That doesn't compute.

But the larger point is kids are going to vape pretty much no matter what. Let the anti or concerned fellow vaper explain why that is. Let them try to pin it all on careless vendors or what have you. I welcome that sort of discussion and wish to expose such points for the false rhetoric they are.

This is cutting to the chase on this issue.

The labels are low hanging fruit. I say let it exist indefinitely. If we lived in a shared political reality where there was a reasonable discussion on how to lessen kids from vaping, then perhaps we could use this as a bargaining chip for the larger point. As that is not the case, and as we have so many fellow, so called concerned vapers, who have conceded or are still willing to concede on the far bigger issue, then IMO, let this continue to be the perceived 'problem' that it is.

When in reality, it really isn't remotely close to an actual problem, nor is getting rid of such labeling even close to a viable solution.

 

[Jonathan R]

and to the whistledick who brought trump into this thread - please don't move so I can get a good lead on you - no bobbing or weaving please - pinhead

Hahaha wow really fella? Haha

 

[skoony]

Interesting discussions.
I have told my children to pay attention to what is going on in this
on going debate concerning e-cigarettes. I want them to teach my
grand kids to not fall into the same traps so many fall into.
It is not nor has it ever been about the chillin',flavors,packaging,
advertising or health. It's about stopping vaping and redirecting people
whether young,old or,in between back to cigarettes and the cash cow
it represents.
If there was a total lack of flavors and colorful packaging we would
all still be in the same boat. Education and good parenting can negate
any and all of the minor ( and they are minor at best) concerns. Yet
kids will still do it. If regulating advertising and flavors when it concerns
children really worked it would be across board. McDonald's couldn't sell
happy meals because that imply's eating them will make you happy.
Liquor would lose out. Video games,nyet. Ask yourself why smoking
and now vaping is singled out alone while theoretically there is a
plethora of other things just as or more dangerous. Advertise a
slow car with a governor that throttles back at 65?,no way.
0 to 120 in a flash is the ticket. This of course is directly marketed
to middle age married men with children.
So here we are now debating what is good for the children when the
children are not part of the problem. They are the answer for those against
vaping. I will not allow myself to be shunted down a path so many are
easily led,on both sides of the issue. I want my kids and grand kids to
know,this is how they do it. This is why we are where we are at and where
we are heading. With a total lack on anything else,the chillin' justifies
any and all regulation and taxation for any reason.
This is not just about vaping. It's about everything. The environment,the chillin'.
The economy,the chillin'. Education,the chillin'. Diet,the chillin'. Health,
the chillin'. Maybe we should regulate or ban the chillin'. We wouldn't
have all these issues as adults.
That's my two cents. Off to buy my grand chillin' Happy Meals.
Regards
Mike

 

[Jonathan R]

Interesting discussions.
I have told my children to pay attention to what is going on in this
on going debate concerning e-cigarettes. I want them to teach my
grand kids to not fall into the same traps so many fall into.
It is not nor has it ever been about the chillin',flavors,packaging,
advertising or health. It's about stopping vaping and redirecting people
whether young,old or,in between back to cigarettes and the cash cow
it represents.
If there was a total lack of flavors and colorful packaging we would
all still be in the same boat. Education and good parenting can negate
any and all of the minor ( and they are minor at best) concerns. Yet
kids will still do it. If regulating advertising and flavors when it concerns
children really worked it would be across board. McDonald's couldn't sell
happy meals because that imply's eating them will make you happy.
Liquor would lose out. Video games,nyet. Ask yourself why smoking
and now vaping is singled out alone while theoretically there is a
plethora of other things just as or more dangerous. Advertise a
slow car with a governor that throttles back at 65?,no way.
0 to 120 in a flash is the ticket. This of course is directly marketed
to middle age married men with children.
So here we are now debating what is good for the children when the
children are not part of the problem. They are the answer for those against
vaping. I will not allow myself to be shunted down a path so many are
easily led,on both sides of the issue. I want my kids and grand kids to
know,this is how they do it. This is why we are where we are at and where
we are heading. With a total lack on anything else,the chillin' justifies
any and all regulation and taxation for any reason.
This is not just about vaping. It's about everything. The environment,the chillin'.
The economy,the chillin'. Education,the chillin'. Diet,the chillin'. Health,
the chillin'. Maybe we should regulate or ban the chillin'. We wouldn't
have all these issues as adults.
That's my two cents. Off to buy my grand chillin' Happy Meals.
Regards
Mike

Well said sir!

 

[Yiana]

This is something I don't understand. Most vapers recognize the "nanny state" and are angered when they try to regulate flavors, or apply a tax, or spread misinformation about the safety of vaping. However, on certain issues, "we" are willing to just roll over and accept it, even though there is as little, or less evidence that there is actually a problem.

ETA: there are some vapers who will go out of their way to search out "problems" and spread them as far and wide as they can, bringing exactly the kind of attention they say they want to avoid.

I agree. It boggles my mind the things some vapers will go out of their way to attract negative attention to themselves and I'm not even talking about packaging. Don't people realize that those topics can easily be pulled up on a search engine and used against them. Then it also makes you wonder who is really doing the complaining.

 

[Yiana]

Here's a thought I just had. On the door of every vape store I have ever gone to there is a sign that says 18 & older only. Most of these packagings will be found in an adult only store. Do you see these products at a gas station. No. You see plain label except for maybe pictures of fruits, etc on them. Just a thought to put out there. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Lessifer]

Here's a thought I just had. On the door of every vape store I have ever gone to there is a sign that says 18 & older only. Most of these packagings will be found in an adult only store. Do you see these products at a gas station. No. You see plain label except for maybe pictures of fruits, etc on them. Just a thought to put out there. Correct me if I am wrong.

I think it depends whether your local shop is a "vape shop" or a store that happens to also carry vape supplies. Still doesn't really matter. The actual argument that packaging leads non-vapers to start vaping, when they otherwise had no intention to, is ridiculous and unsupported by any real scientific evidence.

The best study that I have seen had to do with cigarette marketing, and the study found that teen brand preferences mirrored adult brand preferences, especially when you correlated their location and race. The conclusion was that cigarette marketing reaches the minors, to a similar extent that it does the adults.

I have an alternate theory, that seems equally plausible at least to me. Smoking brand preferences develop quickly, many people stick to what they're used to. Many minor's first exposure to cigarettes would be from adults they are close to, either being given them or stealing them, so it makes sense that teens will smoke what the adults around them smoke. No marketing necessary.

 

[Yiana]

I think it depends whether your local shop is a "vape shop" or a store that happens to also carry vape supplies. Still doesn't really matter. The actual argument that packaging leads non-vapers to start vaping, when they otherwise had no intention to, is ridiculous and unsupported by any real scientific evidence.

The best study that I have seen had to do with cigarette marketing, and the study found that teen brand preferences mirrored adult brand preferences, especially when you correlated their location and race. The conclusion was that cigarette marketing reaches the minors, to a similar extent that it does the adults.

I have an alternate theory, that seems equally plausible at least to me. Smoking brand preferences develop quickly, many people stick to what they're used to. Many minor's first exposure to cigarettes would be from adults they are close to, either being given them or stealing them, so it makes sense that teens will smoke what the adults around them smoke. No marketing necessary.

Exactly. That is how I started smoking. It certainly wasn't cutesy marketing. That would have turned me off.

 

[Kd4kfr]

I dont like this idea that if something looks like Candy... its going to be marketed to Kids. Adults like Candy too...
The minors that Candy (Could) appeal to are 5-10 year olds. If your 5-10 year old manages to find a way to buy E-liquid, you have much bigger problems than the marketing.
On the other hand, if you look at the minors USUALLY using E-cigarettes, you usually have young adolescents 13-17...
at that point, I would assume that they know what they are purchasing, and not purchasing it simply because the package looks like candy.

not that the blame doesnt still rest partially on the parent...
old enough to read as well.

I find it funny. Yes. Young vaper numbers are High. And Young smoker numbers are low.

But just because something looks like candy, doesnt automatically make it a marketing tool.

Take... the little swirly dishwasher or clothes detergent capsules. They look like candy...swirly and colorful.
Or flavored Condoms? But we do not attribute that to the rise in young people having relations in the last 50 years.

anyways.. Point being.... I dont like how people place all the blame on the marketing of the company (Not the OP, More ANTZ).
Educate your kids when they are too young to know better, And when they are... well.. they are probably doing it to spite you.

Not all candylike boxing is targeting children. And truthfully, if they put as much money into their juice as they did their box design, I'd be up to trying it. Looks yummy! Besides, minors are not usually allowed in the vape shops where these would be displayed for sale (not where I live anyway). And lastly, it should be left to the parent to keep it safe at the home away from the children. So let's put the liability where it belongs...with the parent. Not the manufacturer or dealer who is trying to turn a small profit to feed his or her family. Just my 2¢.

 

[ShowerHead]

it should be left to the parent to keep it safe at the home away from the children. So let's put the liability where it belongs...with the parent.

What!? Take responsibility for our own children? No! We demand laws! Laws I tell you! And regulation, lots of regulation! Mommy and Daddy need their children to do whatever they like but remain absolutely safe at all times. Laws and regulations take the parenting out of it so I will always be the cool parent.
Down with freedom! Down with actual parenting!

 

[Kd4kfr]

What!? Take responsibility for our own children? No! We demand laws! Laws I tell you! And regulation, lots of regulation! Mommy and Daddy need their children to do whatever they like but remain absolutely safe at all times. Laws and regulations take the parenting out of it so I will always be the cool parent.
Down with freedom! Down with actual parenting!

I couldn't have said it better myself! That's what we need, more laws and regulations. Look at New Yorks strict gun policy. And everybody on the street has an ILLEGAL/UNREGISTERED GUN! ROFLMAO!

 

[Kd4kfr]

I am a parent and I vape. She is 13. She has no interest in Vaping or smoking, either for that matter. I keep my vape supplies put away and diy a lot. She knows it's for adults and none of the marketing seems to affect her. We talk about these issues, and truth be told, they're not an "issue" at all. For Christ's sake talk to your children, educate and parent them. Not the other way around!

 

[Kd4kfr]

I am a parent and I vape. She is 13. She has no interest in Vaping or smoking, either for that matter. I keep my vape supplies put away and diy a lot. She knows it's for adults and none of the marketing seems to affect her. We talk about these issues, and truth be told, they're not an "issue" at all. For Christ's sake talk to your children, educate and parent them. Not the other way around!

She even sits in the car with her mother when I go in the vape shops. They don't even allow anyone under 18 inside. How much more "regulation" do you want???

 

[Kd4kfr]

She even sits in the car with her mother when I go in the vape shops. They don't even allow anyone under 18 inside. How much more "regulation" do you want???

Condoms come in colorful boxes with pictures of fruit flavorings on them. They are on public store aisles where children ARE allowed. I demand they be removed! By the way, my 13 year old knows about condoms and abstinence too!

 

[Jonathan R]

Condoms come in colorful boxes with pictures of fruit flavorings on them. They are on public store aisles where children ARE allowed. I demand they be removed! By the way, my 13 year old knows about condoms and abstinence too!

Definitely not the same thing but that's fine...