Ill Advised E-liquid Packaging?

[zoiDman]

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There is definitely a public perception issue. ...

Now you are Starting to get it.

And Fighting for the type of Irresponsible Packaging shown by the OP in this Thread is playing Right into the Hands of Policy Makers who are Playing the "Save the Children Card".

You show the Average person any of the 99.9% of the e-liquid Packaging out there and it would be a Tough Sale to convince them that e-liquids are Targeting Minors.

It's that .01% of the Packaging that will be the Poster Child for the Boxer's or Diane F's of the World.

 

[SteveS45]

Did you see the post of mine on page 4? Can you look at those and say it is not targeting?

 

[skoony]

Did you see the post of mine on page 4? Can you look at those and say it is not targeting?

I did and it's not targeting. The children have no reason to be seeing them or
getting their hands on them.
The vendors are certainly not sticking them in front of their noses.
Did you see my post #51. It's an example of direct marketing to children
as this is shown repeatedly where children are most likely to see it.
Regards
Mike

 

[SteveS45]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I must respectfully disagree with you.

 

[zoiDman]

Did you see the post of mine on page 4? Can you look at those and say it is not targeting?

Really Doesn't Matter who is being Targeted by this type of Packaging. Or what the Intent Is or Isn't by the Company who created them.

What Matters is when a State Policy Maker wants to Pass Legislation that Restricts or Levies Taxes on e-Cigarettes/e-Liquid under the guise of "Protecting Children", what will be the Public Perception to this type of Packaging?

And what Senator(s) are going to Hang Out in the Wind and Defend e-Cigarettes at that Point?

 

[TheMike21]

We are still dragging the Santa poster from what? 2013?

 

[Lessifer]

Now you are Starting to get it.

And Fighting for the type of Irresponsible Packaging shown by the OP in this Thread is playing Right into the Hands of Policy Makers who are Playing the "Save the Children Card".

You show the Average person any of the 99.9% of the e-Liquid Packaging out there and it would be a Tough Sale to convince them that e-Liquids are Targeting Minors.

It's that .01% of the Packaging that will be the Poster Child for the Boxer's or Diane F's of the World.

I've always known it's a perception issue.

I choose not to tip toe around the issue, but instead try to expose it for what it is, false rhetoric.

It's not about what it looks like. I can't find the image now, but the first one I saw of a politician holding up an e-liquid bottle and shouting "the children" was a plain labeled bottle, but I believe it was a bubble gum flavor.

flavors and labeling "targeting" children are really the same issue.

 

[Lessifer]

Did you see the post of mine on page 4? Can you look at those and say it is not targeting?

Are you referring to the labels, or the flavors themselves? Those are some fairly plain labels, even though they have pictures of what the liquid is supposed to taste like. The tobaccofreekids website where you pulled those from isn't attacking the labels, it's attacking the flavors.

 

[SteveS45]

The labels and the packaging I have no concerns with names of the products.

 

[SteveS45]

Would you actually want to try a flavor called Curious George?

 

[Lessifer]

The labels and the packaging I have no concerns with names of the products.

What exactly is your issue with this label?

Would you actually want to try a flavor called Curious George?

I've tried one called Curious Jorge, I believe it was a banana sundae flavor. It was pretty good but a little too heavy on the banana candy flavor, not enough ripe banana if I recall correctly.

 

[zoiDman]

I've always known it's a perception issue.

I choose not to tip toe around the issue, but instead try to expose it for what it is, false rhetoric.

It's not about what it looks like. I can't find the image now, but the first one I saw of a politician holding up an e-liquid bottle and shouting "the children" was a plain labeled bottle, but I believe it was a bubble gum flavor.

flavors and labeling "targeting" children are really the same issue.

Then I know that You Know that the Majority of the General Public is going to see Marketing like has been Posted here as being Geared toward Minors as well as to Adults.

 

[Lessifer]

Then I know that You Know that the Majority of the General Public is going to see Marketing like has been Posted here as being Geared toward Minors as well as to Adults.

But it's not true... I know the majority of the public probably believes it, it's the same BS everyone was told about cigarettes. That doesn't make it any more true.

I choose not to reinforce false perceptions.

You never answered my question. How do we fight to protect the flavors, when the argument against the packaging is the same argument?

 

[zoiDman]

What exactly is your issue with this label?

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Nothing. Absolutely Nothing is Wrong with it. And who can make a Legitimate case that Minors are being Targeted?

BTW - You change the Name to "Sweet n' Tart" and your chances of being Sued by Nestlé go to Zero.

 

[Lessifer]

Nothing. Absolutely Nothing is Wrong with it. And who can make a Legitimate case that Minors are being Targeted?

BTW - You change the Name to "Sweet n' Tart" and your chances of being Sued by Nestlé go to Zero.

That was one of his "examples" of marketing to kids. The whole group of images posted are from tobaccofreekids attacking flavors, not packaging. Seems to be going back and forth about whether its the label, or the name, or the flavor that is the issue, which goes to my point of the flavor and the name/label being linked. Acquiesce that one "might" be marketing to children and you basically concede that the other is as well.

 

[zoiDman]

But it's not true... I know the majority of the public probably believes it, it's the same BS everyone was told about cigarettes. That doesn't make it any more true.

I choose not to reinforce false perceptions.

You never answered my question. How do we fight to protect the flavors, when the argument against the packaging is the same argument?

Hello? It Doesn't matter if it is True or Not. This is the Real World. It Is what it Is.

You Fight Flavor Bans by First by Showing that there are No Health Reasons to Ban a Flavor.

Then you Show that the Specter of Marketing to Minors is False. Because you are Using "Adult" Packaging, CRP, Age Verification, etc.

Then you show that More Taxes can be Collected if Flavors are Allowed than if we are stuck with "5 Flavors".

 

[Lessifer]

Hello? It Doesn't matter if it is True or Not. This is the Real World. It Is what it Is.

You Fight Flavor Bans by First by Showing that there are No Health Reasons to Ban a Flavor.

Then you Show that the Specter of Marketing to Minors is False. Because you are Using "Adult" Packaging, CRP, Age Verification, etc.

Then you show that More Taxes can be Collected if Flavors are Allowed than if we are stuck with "5 Flavors".

They don't care about health reasons for flavors, never have, we're the only ones that care about that. They also don't care how adult the packaging is, or if it's CRP, or if it's not actively being sold to minors.

If it's Cherry flavored, it's for kids, that's it.
Nine E-Juice Flavors That Sound Just Like Kids’ Favorite Treats - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

 

[zoiDman]

That was one of his "examples" of marketing to kids. The whole group of images posted are from tobaccofreekids attacking flavors, not packaging. Seems to be going back and forth about whether its the label, or the name, or the flavor that is the issue, which goes to my point of the flavor and the name/label being linked. Acquiesce that one "might" be marketing to children and you basically concede that the other is as well.

Well what do you Expect from tobaccofreekids?

I'm sure if they had their Way, all e-Cigarettes would have been Banned in 2009 when the FDA first started to Seize Shipment using the Customs Department.

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You and I have been Over all This before. And as you said Earlier in this Thread, and I said Earlier in the Last Thread like this, much of this is Moot. Because Standard Packaging will be Enacted on the Federal Level.

 

[zoiDman]

They don't care about health reasons for flavors, never have, we're the only ones that care about that. They also don't care how adult the packaging is, or if it's CRP, or if it's not actively being sold to minors.

If it's Cherry flavored, it's for kids, that's it.
Nine E-Juice Flavors That Sound Just Like Kids’ Favorite Treats - Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

News Flash... States and the Feds Don't care about much Except the Last thing I Listed.

And all the "Save the Children" drum beating is just for the Ill Informed Masses.

 

[Lessifer]

News Flash... States and the Feds Don't care about much Except the Last thing I Listed.

And all the "Save the Children" drum beating is just for the Ill Informed Masses.

Why not try to make those masses slightly better informed?

It IS probably a moot point, we both know that. It just irks me when I see seemingly good intentioned vapers doing more damage by blasting the so-called offenders all over the Internet. Most of these companies I would have never even heard of if it wasn't for someone trying to "help" the community. They're not helping.

Sure, contact the vendor if you feel inclined, but a public witch hunt makes us all look guilty.