I'm about to loose it - I WANT A F'ING CIGARETTE!!!!

[Mookie]

I was a PAD Marb Red girl for 30 years. Tried to quit dozens of times without success. Shockingly I tried an e-cig three month ago and gave up analogs in just a couple of days. I was (and still am) completely amazed.

I went through the wanting to replicate my Marb's then started getting into many different flavors. Generally a few times a day I get a strong craving for an analog but I vape and it goes away. The problem is I still haven't found anything really satisfying. It's JUST enough to keep me from going back but I still haven't found an all day vape or anything really satisfying. I have tried probably 50 juices from at least 8 different vendors. I have juices on their way from three more vendors. Most of them highly recommended and reviewed constantly on ECF. I have yet to find one I want to order again.

I also have several different vendors of 808's, an Echo, and cartos from 6 vendors.

One day a juice will taste great then the next day it will taste awful. Sometimes it will only be an hour between love and hate. It's been three months! My taste buds should be better by now. I am getting so tired of holding on and trying to find something satisfying. And the answers of "steep it for 6 months" - PLEASE - I'm still making it hour by hour NOT months by months!!!

I'm sorry but I just need to vent. I am so proud that I have lasted so long but the string is so tenuous and sometimes (OFTEN) feels like it will snap any second!!! Why doesn't anything taste good to me. Why do so many people love so many juices when I can't find even one that I want to reorder?

I know if I just hold on this terrible feeling will go away in a while. But it just keeps coming back and I feel like I'm going to snap, fall apart, cry a river, break everything in the house, eat a dozen donuts, scream at the top of my lungs or just give in and go buy a pack of Marb's. Why won't this go away? Will it ever go away? Will I ever find a juice satisfying enough that it isn't a daily battle?????

 

[ctourtelot]

You might want to try a WTA (whole tobacco alkaloid) liquid. I haven't tried them yet, but I have an order on the way. From the reviews I've seen they give a more genuine analogue experience.

They have them here Whole Tobacco Alkaloid Eliquid WTA Aroma Ejuice

 

[Vaprasticator]

I haven't found one solid all day vape from any vendor either. My tastes fluctuate in a similar way. I can say though that I had all the batteries with me die, bought a pack of my favorite analogs, and they tasted awful. I couldn't even get through 2 analogs before I went to grab my spare battery.

I am not sure there is a good answer to this situation. I have found a lot of great juices though. I just can't seem to settle on one, throw it in a tank, and go to town.

 

[hittman]

I too would suggest trying some WTA liquid. Just for those times to kill those cravings you spoke of. What you are craving may be the alkaloids that you were getting from tobacco and isn't in any liquid besides WTA liquid. They occur naturally in tobacco. I get mine mostly from Swedish snus but do use wta occasionally too. When I started out there was no WTA liquid so I turned to snus to get what I was missing and very much needed. Now I enjoy the snus enough that I wouldn't go back and change it. However I do believe that WTA can help many that are struggling.

 

[Mookie]

Thanks for the feedback. I wonder if using WTA would increase the addiction and desire for even more. I hadn't heard about it before but will do some research.

I also wonder if this is just typical of what hard core smokers go through and if I just keep at vaping these cravings will lessen and eventually go away?

 

[dotma]

What are some of the juices that you have tried that you didnt like? What mg of nic are you at? I think one of my suggestions would be to get some sort of variable voltage device if you can afford it, i think the ability to go up in voltage makes a big difference.

 

[kelleymcm]

from my 18 months of vaping & hanging out here I have noticed that most of the times that folks get really upset with vaping, equipment or flavors or just the whole process in general ...that they are usually @ 3,6,9 months of life w/out cigs ....I think it is related to the MAOI's . There seems to be some timed trigger in our brains that keeps rearing it's ugly head & trying to make us go back to cigs .

Try to ignore it , it will pass ....the taste bud thing lasts a LONG time tho ...the last few days mine have been OFF again & I'm @ 17 months + w/out cigs !

& IDK 'bout the WTA , I think I am afraid of it !!
cuz I DO NOT want to reintroduce those alkaloids back into my "already messed up" brain chemistry that I have worked so hard to stay clean..... go read over in the health area it might help you to understand what is going on ....

and GOOD LUCK !!

added ... changing up & down between 18-24 mg helped a lot , before I was just dealing w/18mg , but adding 24mg when stressed or CRAZED helped. oh & I DID 32yrs of 2+ pad

 

[jkoppk]

Have you tried any kind of organic juice yet?I find it very clean tasting and refreshing and it's all I vape now.Two of my favorite juices are Butterscotch and Vanilla Cream from Clouds of Vapor and they are my all day vapes.If you haven't tried either of them I would say try the Butterscotch I love it as do many other people.I go through 120ml of butterscotch and 60ml of Vanilla Cream every month along with a few other once in a while juices.Good luck on your search,I know it took me a lot of time and money to find my all day vapes but it's worth it when you finally find them.

 

[dragonbone]

Maybe you can first lose one of the 'o's in your title . Next; what PV setup do you have, what kind of cartos and what juice from which vendors at what nic strength and PG/VG ratio? Otherwise it's very hit and miss for people to advise you without knowing anything.

 

[ponytail girl]

God your story sounds like mine 6 months ago..I have 14 months today..I too was a Marlboro Red girl for many years.I too came on ECF talking just like you getting ready to smoke again..They told me to up the nic which I did and I was using a ego at the time..I spent the money and got a Provari...I have also tried many juices...I found some at Tasty Vapors that I like Pina Colada being one..also a new friend sent me a sample of Boba's which taste really good for a Tabacco flavor..I've been on sweet e liquids for awhile now so to have a Tabacco one that taste pretty good is a treat believe me I've tasted some really bad ones..I know it's hard but just don't give in you've come so far..They have the new VV mid the Lava Tube which is more affordable ...just hang in there on heartbeat at a time..If I can do it so can you...Pony

 

[Mookie]

What are some of the juices that you have tried that you didnt like? What mg of nic are you at? I think one of my suggestions would be to get some sort of variable voltage device if you can afford it, i think the ability to go up in voltage makes a big difference.

from my 18 months of vaping & hanging out here I have noticed that most of the times that folks get really upset with vaping, equipment or flavors or just the whole process in general ...that they are usually @ 3,6,9 months of life w/out cigs ....I think it is related to the MAOI's . There seems to be some timed trigger in our brains that keeps rearing it's ugly head & trying to make us go back to cigs .

Try to ignore it , it will pass ....the taste bud thing lasts a LONG time tho ...the last few days mine have been OFF again & I'm @ 17 months + w/out cigs !

& IDK 'bout the WTA , I think I am afraid of it !!
cuz I DO NOT want to reintroduce those alkaloids back into my "already messed up" brain chemistry that I have worked so hard to stay clean..... go read over in the health area it might help you to understand what is going on ....

and GOOD LUCK !!

added ... changing up & down between 18-24 mg helped a lot , before I was just dealing w/18mg , but adding 24mg when stressed or CRAZED helped. oh & I DID 32yrs of 2+ pad

You are so right about the brain chemistry. I know a little because a couple times when I was able to quit for a couple months I got severely depressed. People said just hang in there that it would pass but unfortunately for me the depression got so bad I went back to smoking and was better within days. I did a little research and found out how cigs totally mess up your brain chemistry and some people will get severe depression when they quit. That is another reason I would be afraid of WTA. I've made it this far I am hoping my brain chemistry will eventually get back to what it should be. WTA could just delay or stop that process. I would like to learn more and will go over to the health area and read up on it. I have never searched that area yet.

 

[hittman]

I truly hope that you can beat it with vaping alone Mookie. For me the depression never let up. I knew if I didn't find a reduced harm option then I would have been back to smoking full time. For me that option is snus. You sound very intelligent and motivated. Absorb as much information as you can and keep the positive attitude. Good luck in your journey.

 

[Mookie]

I have tried 36mg but cut back to 24 mg. I have several 808 autos and one manual from Bloog, Smoov and Volt and a couple weeks ago I bought an Echo 650. I have cartos from all of them plug Vapor4Life and WOW. For the Echo I have SC and DC and have ITurbo Clearomizers on the way. I have 100%pg which upsets my stomach, 80pg/20vg, and 60/40.

I have heard about the vv's but don't want anything too large or difficult to use. It has to be simple to use or I won't bother because it would probably just frustrate me more trying to figure out how to use it and what accessories to use with it. Lots of this is overwhelming to me. I'm not opposed to spending more if the mods are much more satisfying. But if all of this frustration is just a normal process I want to know. I can hang in there if I know this is normal and will get better in time. I can usually vape away the cravings but sometimes, like last night when I vented, it get's overwhelming.

I have juices from Bloog, JC, KBV, BWB, FUSA, Vapors Etc, Vapor 4Life, and BlueMist. I have juices coming from AVE, Mrs. T's and The Vapor Girl. I have several KY4, 555, several different tobacco's, and a few candy flavors. I was looking at the organic at Clouds of Vapor but haven't ordered any yet.

p.s. I lost an "o"

 

[Mookie]

@hittman

Do you vape and use snus? What about the risk of mouth cancer?

I can feel your pain about the depression. For some of us it can get very dark. Write me if you want to compare notes about it.

"Sanity is overrated. I'd rather be happy" - "Normal people are just the ones you don't know very well"

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Stop vaping tobacco flavors, they just make you feel like going back is my recommendation. The day you decide that tobacco tastes like crap will be a great day in your life.........

 

[luvinit]

Hang in there Mookie! This, too, shall pass! I can say that I've never had that overwhelming desire to go buy a pack since I picked up my ecig, but I have caved and smoked an analog,, once. One casino trip, a long one where I burned through 4 batteries and everyone around me smoking.. I can tell you that one analog was AWFUL! Part of the reason my third kit is in the mail.. As for juice, I have yet to find that all day vape.. I've had probly 50 bottles of juice on a couple of occasions and just can't find anything I can do all day. But I'm narrowing down what I like and what I don't and that's a step in the right direction. I was hoping by now my tastebuds would settle down, but something that tasted pretty good yesterday doesn't necessarily taste all that great today... weird! But I'm determined to keep at it, I SO love this new hobby. I don't know what it is about it, but I find it relaxing to to sit and fill my little cartos every day. Too much great information here, too many recommendations for good juice,, it's all a matter of your own little tastebuds.. it's a journey. But it's the best journey I've ever been on! I truly hope you can find your happy place in all this... keep reading, and learning! There's so many great folks here willing to help,, use em!

 

[Karla Lyle]

I have tried 36mg but cut back to 24 mg. I have several 808 autos and one manual from Bloog, Smoov and Volt and a couple weeks ago I bought an Echo 650. I have cartos from all of them plug Vapor4Life and WOW. For the Echo I have SC and DC and have ITurbo Clearomizers on the way. I have 100%pg which upsets my stomach, 80pg/20vg, and 60/40.

I have heard about the vv's but don't want anything too large or difficult to use. It has to be simple to use or I won't bother because it would probably just frustrate me more trying to figure out how to use it and what accessories to use with it. Lots of this is overwhelming to me. I'm not opposed to spending more if the mods are much more satisfying. But if all of this frustration is just a normal process I want to know. I can hang in there if I know this is normal and will get better in time. I can usually vape away the cravings but sometimes, like last night when I vented, it get's overwhelming.

p.s. I lost an "o"

I THINK THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!! My fist e cig was an Ego 650 mah and then I got a Kgo 1100mah. Both were OK but still felt I was missing something. I just bought a Lavatube ans think that that was what I was missing for sure. It also took forever and a ton of money to find ANY juices I really liked. they were all OK but just not enough flavor or they tasted perfumey. I've now found a few juices I love and LOVE LOVE LOVE my Lavatube and even have a mini lavatube on the way. SOOOOOOO much better than the Ego and Kgo and just as easy to use even though it is a VV. Really. Not difficult at all. I mostly vape sweet or bakery flavors and very highly recommend Kick Bass Vapor as well as Ms T's for those. If you want tobacco I really don't know much about those. I too smoked a PAD for almost 20 years and still have an occasional craving but it always goes away after vaping a bit especially on my LT. Good Luck. Just keep it up, you can do it. I too have been curious about that WTA haven't tried but I would be interested, just don 't even know where to get it.

 

[Mookie]

I THINK THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!! My fist e cig was an Ego 650 mah and then I got a Kgo 1100mah. Both were OK but still felt I was missing something. I just bought a Lavatube ans think that that was what I was missing for sure. It also took forever and a ton of money to find ANY juices I really liked. they were all OK but just not enough flavor or they tasted perfumey. I've now found a few juices I love and LOVE LOVE LOVE my Lavatube and even have a mini lavatube on the way. SOOOOOOO much better than the Ego and Kgo and just as easy to use even though it is a VV. Really. Not difficult at all. I mostly vape sweet or bakery flavors and very highly recommend Kick Bass Vapor as well as Ms T's for those. If you want tobacco I really don't know much about those. I too smoked a PAD for almost 20 years and still have an occasional craving but it always goes away after vaping a bit especially on my LT. Good Luck. Just keep it up, you can do it. I too have been curious about that WTA haven't tried but I would be interested, just don 't even know where to get it.

There is a link in one of the above posts to a WTA vendor. IDK much about it and am curious but I would be very careful and research a lot before trying it. I don't want to take a step back after I've made it this far.

Thanks for the note and recommendations. I will look into the Lavatube. Do you or anyone know how it compares to an Echo? I have a bunch of juices on the way but will take you up on your offer and pm back if/when I need more recommendations.

 

[DaveP]

Cold turkey is the best way if you can vape and do it, but a lot of people find themselves only smoking a few a day after they start vaping and continuing on in that manner for a long time. Eventually, after only smoking a cig after meals, with coffee, and one before bed, they find themselves losing the desire to even have those.

If it comes to going back to cigs and giving up vaping, try allowing yourself 5 or 6 a day with vaping being your main source of nicotine. I know it sounds like a bad compromise, but it works really well.

There's definitely a correlation between tobacco and mental satisfaction. The MAOI component is real.
This is your brain on nicotine

 

[Dad2daBone]

I agree with the other members who mentioned hardware. Juice tastes different at different voltages and hardware. I have one juice that I tried in a DC tank - bleh, Ego T with LR atty - bleh, kanger carto - better, 4.8 volts on a LT - pretty good, Cisco 1.5 atty - my favorite flavor!

Give something new a try if her current setup is not working to your likings. And another second for the LT, lots of combinations of voltage vs atty/carto combos to experiment with.