Im Mad at my country for the 1st time

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rejoice

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FDA is crazy to think teenagers would want e-cigs. E-cigs cost alot of money and to go thru all the hassle of getting your carts,liquid,atomizers. Does one think that teenagers would want to do all we do to keep our e-cigs working? When they can get real cigarettes from a older friend.

If I was a teenager looking into smoking and looked at the e-cigs. I would say,give me a cigarette. There reasoning on teenagers are plain crazy. I am mad at our government for being so silly.
 
The American people voted for Obama because he promised change. Well we got a change, we got a black president, nice change huh? Good for him I'm proud of him, I just wish he would do something that was good for the American people. Then again the president really matter, he's just a puppet just like any other American leader. Something pleasing and someone to put all the blame on. Not saying he doesn't think for himself but not everything is all him, there are many other people making decisions that he's just relaying back to the public.
 

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Computer Extreme...Thank you for starting this thread, and I echo your feelings, as MANY out there do! A Country is only as strong as the ideas and actions of it's people. To think that any leader on a Political level has our best interest in mind, is naive at best. I fractured my back last year, and am still dealing with daily pain. My ambulance to hospital/specialist/therapy (with $400mo. insure.) billed out at a whopping $70,000. I paid what I could, and then the hospital made me apply for low income exception or as they call it "Charitable Contribution". When a Dr. (specialist in this case) charges $1200 per day to spend 1 min. asking "feeling better today?" something is gravely out of whack! Sorry for the side step, I just can relate to your story. We live in a Corporate Dictatorship, and have been for some time. $$$ is at the forefront of all ventures and elections. Since they still tell us we live in a Democracy, and that we are a "free country", this means we have the right to band together and speak up and out. We need to get back to strength in community first. Stop competing against each other, and support, enrich, and educate in our own backyards first. Support local business on every level. Boycott big corporate structures, which have created this problem to begin with. We have a long road ahead of us, by waking up, sharing with others in places like this, start community outreach programs to reconnect with our fellow citizens and decide together what are actual effective ways to instigate change. I recently went to a lecture that my local museum was giving, and it happened to be by my favorite photographer in the world Sebastiao Selgado. It was an incredible lecture to say the very least. His work as a humanitarian is weaved within his creative at all times. The relevance of his lecture to this topic was how he saw his home country of Brazil destroyed in a very short 40 years as they Industrialized. He went back to his once fruitful farmland upon his fathers death, and was horrified by the barren land, dried up river, and destroyed Rain Forest. He asked his wife (also his editor and best friend, which I believe holds incredible power), what the hell to do...this was WAY TOO much, too far gone....she replied by saying we plant one tree, and then another....Today, they and their foundation are responsible for rebuilding an immense % of the Rain Forest not just in Brazil, but for the Amazon as well. Their Farm now houses Green Houses that grow over 600 species of plant life.

Point is, we need to get active..NOW! Americans have been slyly guided towards being a passive people. So what do we do? I don't know, but if everyone expresses their frustrations and look to each other for support...it's a start. Our dollar is worth s--t, and it's heading (sooner than we think) to being worth F--k All. Go back to bartering in our communities. Trade this service for that service. Keep our spending down, and improve our quality of life on a social level, simply by getting to know and connecting with the people around us. Just look at this e cig. forum for starters...there are a great many people here who through each other, have or are removing the affliction of smoking... most of us within a day or two. That's pretty incredible! The core of that accomplishment is alternative. Someone found an alternative for us all, and it works! There are alternatives out there, but we as a united people HAVE to acknowledge we are searching. There is a THEM...and there is an US. The first major thing this country needs to do, is get the F---k out of our wars abroad. Our children are being killed in the name of oil and opium. I would rather be bombed by a crazy nation, while knowing our children are getting the best education, then policing the world the way we are. Priorities are all out of whack, and we need to speak up. We need to get rid of Racism and Bigotry in our own back yard and remember people are people. Stop pushing religion onto people, and simply let religion be a part of an individuals life. There must be a Revolution at this point. The claws of Corporate Deception are deep. We can revolt in many ways these days, and that's why I say start on our own street corner. Bounce ideas off of all sorts of professionals within small groups, and then slowly unite. I don't know the answers, but I do know that when I stop complaining and go to a museum, a lecture, a conference, a something other than a 9 - 5...I GET INSPIRED!

Thanks for letting me express myself this morning, and wishes for us all to break out, branch out, and reclaim the value of this rapidly depleting Nation!

Much Love,
Mr.e
 

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What we're seeing is a cycle. Money is the true power. Anyone who saw the demise of the family farm, knows all too well how finance and big corperations have manipulated the game, leaving us in a position where money makes money, and labor doesn't.

All of the money and wealth that was lost, was lost because of the way housing was valued, and people were enticed to pay what they knew were rediculous prices for real estate. The missing ingredent was a job to make the payments. We collectively borrowed money against future earnings, while sending the ability to earn away.

To use a family farm as an illustration, imagine the farmer who borrows money to finance his operation. He has his land, buildings and undepreciated equipment as collateral, and borrows the money for his house based on this equity. Now, he bases his bottom line on what his operation is worth, and not the real potential of milk price earnings. He realizes that he can't make money producing milk, so he quits producing milk, and builds a huge house, because he could make more money off of the increased value of the house, than he could producing milk. The only catch, he isn't producing anything, and his house stopped going up in value.

It looks like a farm, but it's not. It's just a castle on a fallow field. This is where we are.
 
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What's funny about some of this is that I talked about it back in mid June and while some people agreed that this country needs a change others called me a fanatic or just crazy. Here's the thread I started back then.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-discussion/22554-time-revolution.html

I still to this moment say the same thing. Am I still crazy or fanatical?

I've been saying it for years, and still no one I know (with the exception of my girlfriend a couple family members, and this 61 year old guy I work with) agrees with me. Maybe we need more than a revolution, but it'd be a good start.
 

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Obama. Obama Bin Laden hahaha I'm kidding, I voted for the dude. I'm not too disappointed at this point. For a brief second I believed in what he could do but now I think as I always did. The president is a no body. But it makes sense and to be honest I agree it's the "most effective" way.

Lets say Joe Blow and I start a country. We know people love to think they have a choice, even if they do not. Don't you think Joe Blow and I would put some sort of safe gaurd in place to prevent our ideals or plans going out the window and everything changing by the next election? Of coarse we would, but we'd want to do it under the guise that the people decide.

Democrat and Republic, lol yeah I believe there really are two groups that are opposite and hate eachother that take turns running things. It couldn't be that is the best way to keep people happy and I can associate those groups with Bob at work who agrees with me or, Loretta down the road who does not, but by God we are all Americans and thats the beauty of democracy so if they win we got a shot next time.

I honestly think if votes were real it's the stupidest idea in the world. Should a bum or someone who has never worked in their life or sht, a 18 year old CHILD have the same vote as a productive, intelligent, knowledgeable citizen? Of coarse not but there is no way to do that without angering alot of people. Majority are fools.
 

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Should a bum or someone who has never worked in their life or sht, a 18 year old CHILD have the same vote as a productive, intelligent, knowledgeable citizen? Of coarse not but there is no way to do that without angering alot of people. Majority are fools.
There was a time when you had to be a property owner in order to vote.
 

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I've been saying it for years, and still no one I know (with the exception of my girlfriend a couple family members, and this 61 year old guy I work with) agrees with me. Maybe we need more than a revolution, but it'd be a good start.

I've been saying the same thing for years as well and I finally got fed up enough to say something about it. To try and appeal to others out there who feel the same way. It's been discussed with fellow co-workers most of whom felt that I didn't know what I was talking about. It's hard to get people to understand sometimes. I feel your pain on those that agree with you. My wife is the only one here that agrees with me. At least from all that I've talked to about it.
 

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Im mad at my country.

But I love my fellow americans. I really love them. I traveled around the world a little when I was young, The americans I met around the world and I share a common background, a commonality that is uniquely American. I embraced them and they, without hesitation, embraced me just because we were Americans.

I love being American.
I love this country.
It is truly an amazing place, there is no other place as wonderful as this country. The land alone is awe inspiring!

It brings me to tears that we, the people of this nation, the USA, including myself have allowed the current terrible events to unfold.

I dont think there is any damage control that can reverse the torrent now.

It saddens me that everyone I approach with my concerns absolutetly agrees with me, but feels powerless against the terrible onslaught of government policies, litigation and corporate interests above our simplest most basic freedoms.

How do you shore up a manmade ocean of deceit and pointless litigation without just being swept away.

I think this country has become a land of laws to protect criminal profit seeking intent, instead of a land of free people.

There is no longer a land of the free.
 

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Heres a link that I seen and heard about. YouTube - Ezra Taft Benson-Warning Call me what you will, as I dont care. but I absolutely hope this is insignifigant, but has this thing been going on for longer than even we know? I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, 1 person that I know of indicated that I am, so far on this forum, but im not. This is not change as I want it if it is indicative of what is going on. Obama is NOT the problem I dont believe. I am one that just wants to be left alone, to improve my health in my own way, and to have potential poisons tested and to be warned of the results by a trustworthy source. The last 1:30 min. or 1:45 minutes are possibly a warning that there is something going on, please tell me it aint so! It is an old audio, but politics aside, what if the direction we are taking as a free country is not what we wish to go?
 
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It's about time some of you people woke up. A few of us have been poking you for a very long time :)

Now, DO something. Call your local news, put together an informational packet. Make YouTube videos (uhm, SMART ones!), get FACTS out there.

Apathy is what got us here. That time is over.


that is what i was thinking - but i want to add something - now that you have woken up - don't go back to sleep no matter how scary reality gets

you are just beginning to see what the luciferians call the light - they think that satan is really the good guy and they are the ones that put the all seeing eye on your dollar bill etc - and they want to run this country into dust and then merge it with mexico and canada and then the world

order out of chaos - they create the chaos - they provide the solution - they prescribe your orders - now you are under their control

problem - reaction - solution

they create the problem - our reaction is fear - their solution is more control

courtesy of the bilderbergs

yes - 911 was an inside job
 

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I'm mad that all our prosperity is false - our "wealth" developed from war profiteering and now is nonexistent. The American dream is now an illusion funded by foreign loans.... loans that will eventually have to be repaid through the surrender of our economy, our rights, and most importantly, the American dream itself....
I am also mad at my country, but im mad at us americans if we trade freedom for security even more. We have been warned before, I hope I am an overreacting conspiracy theorist but things are scary lately. E-cigs, are nothing in the overall game. My 2 cents.
 
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