I'm new here, but I just want to say I'm sick from vaping on a Tugboat clone

[iamthevoice]

Don't be condescending. I'm suffering from a great deal of confusion and dizziness and it's hard to type right now and get my thoughts out, so I see what you're saying.

mod: Grand Vapor m16 telescopic mod clone (served me well)
Battery: Kidney Puncher 2000 MaH 10a continuous 18650s
Liquids: 100% VG Cap'n Comet (used when I tested with my tobh to make sure it wasn't the juice)

No, I haven't seen a doctor, however, it doesn't take a genius to realize what was going on. I used a Tobh clone and wasn't getting sick and then as soon as I vape the same juice on the same type of kanthal in the Tugboat, I got extremely sick.

I feel like people are defending this stuff very blindly in this thread and insulting me in the process. I'm sick and I just can't think clearly, which sets a great precedent for this forum and its users who aren't receptive at all to possible health risks.

I might argue that such metal vapor inhalation could potentially cause what you are talking about, specifically what welders refer to as brass shakes or galvie fever, but it would take a LOT of such vapors, or the obvious presence of brass or zinc galvanizing. And then, it would take 1-2 days for symptoms to show... I'm not trying to be condescending, but for the reaction to be as fast as you say, it would have to be something else... What about the wicking material in your Tugboat? Same as your Tobh? What about the Kanthal, is it the same, was it torched? Kanthal is usually coated in mineral oil from the factory. Oil inhalation would be as quick as you describe and would also cause the exact same symptoms you describe. What is the resistance on your Tobh? Is it much higher or lower than your Tugboat build?

As we have several doctors and surgeons on staff, I took the time to ask one of them and this was what came out of it! Good luck!

 

[nynvolt]

I was thinking, this may sound flip but I wonder if it is the air flow. The clone is a little tight and causing you to pull too hard, that can give you a headache and make you feel ill.

On a side note, I've never seen a rusty piece of vape gear, clone or otherwise. Especially after wiping with alcohol which lowers waters evaporation point so it dries faster. I'd send that item back with a lawsuit.

 

[AshMPWrites]

I'm sorry to hear you're sick -- were you previously a smoker and if so, how long have you been vaping?

I only ask because a friend of mine went from smoking (2 packs per day) to vaping and did get extremely ill for weeks. What started as a sinus infection turned into an ear infection, turned a facial infection. He was on 5 different antibiotics for several weeks and no longer vapes at all because he couldn't do that, or smoke, so he just didn't bother going back to it when he got better. But, he's never blamed the vapor or his mods for the illness -- it was his system coming back to life that made him sick, years worth of tar and carcinogens built up in his nasal cavities and airways that were shedding and healing. And, to a degree, the shock of no longer smoking and adding a new thing to the mix. I always used to get sick when I switched cigarette brands or types.

I hope you feel better soon and would strongly suggestion making your way to the doctor to make sure it's the vaping making you sick and not something.

ETA: The brass shakes mentioned above is very interesting, now I doubly suggest you get to the doctor to make sure you're poisoned by metal and that's nothing to mess around with, you'll need to be seen and taken care of immediately.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you

 

[CarlFromHR]

I'm sorry to hear you're sick -- were you previously a smoker and if so, how long have you been vaping?

I only ask because a friend of mine went from smoking (2 packs per day) to vaping and did get extremely ill for weeks. What started as a sinus infection turned into an ear infection, turned a facial infection. He was on 5 different antibiotics for several weeks and no longer vapes at all because he couldn't do that, or smoke, so he just didn't bother going back to it when he got better. But, he's never blamed the vapor or his mods for the illness -- it was his system coming back to life that made him sick, years worth of tar and carcinogens built up in his nasal cavities and airways that were shedding and healing. And, to a degree, the shock of no longer smoking and adding a new thing to the mix. I always used to get sick when I switched cigarette brands or types.

I hope you feel better soon and would strongly suggestion making your way to the doctor to make sure it's the vaping making you sick and not something.

ETA: The brass shakes mentioned above is very interesting, now I doubly suggest you get to the doctor to make sure you're poisoned by metal and that's nothing to mess around with, you'll need to be seen and taken care of immediately.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you

The guy also asked about the oil. I think he's onto something and maybe I missed a spot and I inhaled some oil? I dunno, it's hard to say, but I don't know what to do about it but throw it away and wait for my other atty to come in the mail. After being sick twice, I'm feeling pretty bad. Last time it took 3-4 days, but luckily this time I recognized the early symptoms and quit immediately, so maybe it'll only last a couple days this time.

I quit smoking 2 years ago, so that's probably not it. Hope your friend is better these days.

 

[iamthevoice]

I'm sorry to hear you're sick -- were you previously a smoker and if so, how long have you been vaping?

I only ask because a friend of mine went from smoking (2 packs per day) to vaping and did get extremely ill for weeks. What started as a sinus infection turned into an ear infection, turned a facial infection. He was on 5 different antibiotics for several weeks and no longer vapes at all because he couldn't do that, or smoke, so he just didn't bother going back to it when he got better. But, he's never blamed the vapor or his mods for the illness -- it was his system coming back to life that made him sick, years worth of tar and carcinogens built up in his nasal cavities and airways that were shedding and healing. And, to a degree, the shock of no longer smoking and adding a new thing to the mix. I always used to get sick when I switched cigarette brands or types.

I hope you feel better soon and would strongly suggestion making your way to the doctor to make sure it's the vaping making you sick and not something.

ETA: The brass shakes mentioned above is very interesting, now I doubly suggest you get to the doctor to make sure you're poisoned by metal and that's nothing to mess around with, you'll need to be seen and taken care of immediately.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you

The "brass shakes" requires a lot more heat, it really is a welding hazard, not a vaping one!

 

[CarlFromHR]

I might argue that such metal vapor inhalation could potentially cause what you are talking about, specifically what welders refer to as brass shakes or galvie fever, but it would take a LOT of such vapors, or the obvious presence of brass or zinc galvanizing. And then, it would take 1-2 days for symptoms to show... I'm not trying to be condescending, but for the reaction to be as fast as you say, it would have to be something else... What about the wicking material in your Tugboat? Same as your Tobh? What about the Kanthal, is it the same, was it torched? Kanthal is usually coated in mineral oil from the factory. Oil inhalation would be as quick as you describe and would also cause the exact same symptoms you describe. What is the resistance on your Tobh? Is it much higher or lower than your Tugboat build?

As we have several doctors and surgeons on staff, I took the time to ask one of them and this was what came out of it! Good luck!

Same material was used in both devices — Rayon. Never had an issue with it before, so I don't think that's it.

I've never had a problem with the kanthal either. It's been used in almost every build I've had before with no consequence.

Nearly the same resistance in both. I think the Tobh is .46 and the Tugboat is .49.

I think it's the oil thing you're describing there, but I cleaned this damn thing so much. I swear I got it all out. I had to of, right? If not, I guess I did inhale some of the oil. With future attys, how will I know if it's got oil on it?

 

[Auxx]

Almost all clones are not painted, they are plated. And they are plated with the same stuff which is used to make ovens black and shiny on the inside. No one ever had any problems with plated stuff - it's temperature resistant and chemically resistant. Otherwise it wouldn't be used in ovens.

As for your symptoms you most probably have a nicotine overdose. Vaping more than 3mg in RDA is very dumb. I get high with 6mg in my RDA as high as I get with 24mg in my clearo and 18mg in Kayfun.

 

[MORTIS e]

Carl: I as well was skeptical of your claim after your first post, but now after your follow-up posts, it does appear you have thoroughly examined all factors; so now I'm pretty much convinced that particular clone is somehow the cause.
Its good you aren't vaping that Tugboat clone anymore, at least for now, however I would probably not throw it out, just in case there comes an opportunity to further study the condition and materials of that clone, or at least you'd have that particular sample if further analysis is required. I would of course seal it up and label it so as not to accidentally use it again.

By the way, I'm impressed with how well you write while feeling so sick. Seriously, many people don't do as well while feeling just fine.

 

[AshMPWrites]

The "brass shakes" requires a lot more heat, it really is a welding hazard, not a vaping one!

I understand that, but still -- if he's having a hard time processing thoughts and functioning coherently, that's no good. It could be absolutely anything from a cold and the under-the-water feeling that comes with it; it could be a uncommon flu; it could be something in his vapor or the mechanisms he's using... Who's to say? I don't know how hot he makes his vape or how frequently he does it or for how long he's been doing it either. I'm all for erring on the side of caution and if he believes this is something, then better than posting here, he should get himself to urgent care or his GP ASAP.

And you're probably right. A quick google search turned up nothing on anyone getting the brass shakes from vaping which is really good to know.

 

[classwife]

I did clean it. See my reply to Roni.

3mg Cap'n Comet 100% VG

.49 Ohms in the Atty

"Deathly ill, confusion and dizziness"



Let's try to narrow some things down...

Please, what kind of ill ?
Nauseous ?

Is this a new bottle of liquid or one that you have used before ?

Is .49 normally what you have been vaping at ?



(And don't throw the atty out...just put in in a baggy and hang onto it...)

 

[Rwb1500]

Almost all clones are not painted, they are plated. And they are plated with the same stuff which is used to make ovens black and shiny on the inside. No one ever had any problems with plated stuff - it's temperature resistant and chemically resistant. Otherwise it wouldn't be used in ovens.

As for your symptoms you most probably have a nicotine overdose. Vaping more than 3mg in RDA is very dumb. I get high with 6mg in my RDA as high as I get with 24mg in my clearo and 18mg in Kayfun.

Meh, I can drip 12 mg with no issues at all. Every person's body reacts differently to nicotine.

 

[Auxx]

Meh, I can drip 12 mg with no issues at all. Every person's body reacts differently to nicotine.

What's your wattage and do you have single or dual coil build?

 

[classwife]

Let's keep to the topic of helping the OP please

 

[CarlFromHR]

Carl: I as well was skeptical of your claim after your first post, but now after your follow-up posts, it does appear you have thoroughly examined all factors; so now I'm pretty much convinced that particular clone is somehow the cause.
Its good you aren't vaping that Tugboat clone anymore, at least for now, however I would probably not throw it out, just in case there comes an opportunity to further study the condition and materials of that clone, or at least you'd have that particular sample if further analysis is required. I would of course seal it up and label it so as not to accidentally use it again.

By the way, I'm impressed with how well you write while feeling so sick. Seriously, many people don't do as well while feeling just fine.

I actually write for a living, so it probably comes out in my typing. I still spot some blunders in my typing when I read it back, but the foggy headedness I'm getting right now and the dizziness kinda throws me through a loop and i'm struggling at work today, which is why I tried to come here for answers. I know my initial post was a little too preachy and I made some unprovable claims, but I just feel so sick and it's just frustrating to get sick twice from the same atty. Thank you for your reply.

 

[BeerGolfClouds]

Almost all clones are not painted, they are plated. And they are plated with the same stuff which is used to make ovens black and shiny on the inside. No one ever had any problems with plated stuff - it's temperature resistant and chemically resistant. Otherwise it wouldn't be used in ovens.

As for your symptoms you most probably have a nicotine overdose. Vaping more than 3mg in RDA is very dumb. I get high with 6mg in my RDA as high as I get with 24mg in my clearo and 18mg in Kayfun.

Definitely not a fan of the "dumb" statement. Maybe your personal nic tolerance is lower than others. I'm currently vaping 6mg on a Plume Veil clone, dual coil 24g at .16 ohms. Tried lowering my nic to 4mg and it just didn't do it for me. Different strokes for different folks, the collective intelligence of vapers and their nic levels shouldn't be insulted. Peace.

Edit: Apologies for the thread jack if seen as such.

 

[Rwb1500]

What's your wattage and do you have single or dual coil build?

Some where between .7 and 1 ohm, anywhere from 12 watts up to around 20. This isn't the place to discuss it though.

 

[CarlFromHR]

"Deathly ill, confusion and dizziness"



Let's try to narrow some things down...

Please, what kind of ill ?
Nauseous ?

Is this a new bottle of liquid or one that you have used before ?

Is .49 normally what you have been vaping at ?



(And don't throw the atty out...just put in in a baggy and hang onto it...)

My stomach hurts a little, but it hasn't reached a point where I feel like I'll throw up. Like I said before, this has happened to me before with the same atty. I only tried it again because I cleaned the hell out of it. I've used this bottle before now in my Tobh with no problems.

Yea, I usually vape at .5 or .7-.9, so consistently subohm.

I really feel kind of tired and I'm SO dizzy. I also feel slightly lightheaded. Does that help? I dug it out of the trash and put it in a bag. I'll investigate further when I get home.

 

[Fitz]

So sorry you're very sick...and Thanks for the heads up. Maybe drinking plenty of clear fresh water to flush out your system?

 

[edyle]

So is the tugboat painted?

There's the paint;
there's the oil that's been mentioned;
and there are the insulator materials.

 

[iamthevoice]

The process of making wire of any kind implies drawing material through a die, which requires some kind of lubrication (unless you want really short wires!). As the speed of the process generates enough heat, water and soap based lubricants don't cut it. It tends to be an oil-based lubricant. Using soap and water to remove oil-based lubricants is not a perfect process (as you may have noticed when trying to wash greasy dishes!) Alcohol is a solvent for most oils; soak your atty in alcohol for 15 minutes, pull it out and let it dry on its own. No, alcohol will not leave a residue (unless you are using alcohol with fragrance, flavoring, or moisturizers like aloe) but if you are concerned, drop it in boiling water for a few seconds, then pull it out and let it heat dry!

Good luck!