I'm new here, but I just want to say I'm sick from vaping on a Tugboat clone

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So is the tugboat painted?

There's the paint;
there's the oil that's been mentioned;
and there are the insulator materials.

I tried scratching it and I believe it's actually a plate of metal rather than a paint, so maybe that's out?

I'm thinking it may be the oil, so when I get home I'm going to dunk it in rubbing alcohol and see if it'll dissolve.

Although I'm really scared to try it again after this, I'll give it ONE MORE TRY before I give up. And next time I'll only do 3-4 puffs instead of 10 for testing so I don't get as sick.
 
The process of making wire of any kind implies drawing material through a die, which requires some kind of lubrication (unless you want really short wires!). As the speed of the process generates enough heat, water and soap based lubricants don't cut it. It tends to be an oil-based lubricant. Using soap and water to remove oil-based lubricants is not a perfect process (as you may have noticed when trying to wash greasy dishes!) Alcohol is a solvent for most oils; soak your atty in alcohol for 15 minutes, pull it out and let it dry on its own. No, alcohol will not leave a residue (unless you are using alcohol with fragrance, flavoring, or moisturizers like aloe) but if you are concerned, drop it in boiling water for a few seconds, then pull it out and let it heat dry!

Good luck!

Thank you. I will do this immediately when I get home. I will do the boiling in addition to the alcohol just in case.
 
Definitely not a fan of the "dumb" statement. Maybe your personal nic tolerance is lower than others. I'm currently vaping 6mg on a Plume Veil clone, dual coil 24g at .16 ohms. Tried lowering my nic to 4mg and it just didn't do it for me. Different strokes for different folks, the collective intelligence of vapers and their nic levels shouldn't be insulted. Peace.

Edit: Apologies for the thread jack if seen as such.

I don't understand why my choice was dumb to him, though? 3mg is the lowest you can get most of the time without making your own. On top of that, 3mg is nothing. I used to vape 12mg and 18mg and only got nic-sick once.

I was thinking people would dismiss it as being nic-sick, but I swear this isn't that. I only took 10 hits off the atty before I got to work and I was already sick within the hour.
 

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High voltage/wattage can equal nicotine overdose. Metal poisoning takes years to show up and then its neurological. Read zinc poisoning in denture paste users to get symptoms most precisely... again, it takes years. Additionally, metal poisoning does NOT go away with discontinued consumption as the metals are collected in the body tissues. Nicotine overdose symptoms however do go away... usually in 3-to-4 hours depending on how high a dose and the person's tolerance. Also, lead is no longer allowed in paint... just a thought you should consider.
 
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High voltage/wattage can equal nicotine overdose. Metal poisoning takes years to show up and then its neurological. Read zinc poisoning in denture paste users to get symptoms most precisely... again, it takes years.

It's not that. At least, I don't think it's that because I use the same mod and same batteries with my Tobh clone and I've never gotten sick. Not once. It was only once I started using the Tugboat that I got ill.
 

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I edited my post just in case you read it before I was done.

Well that's what you talked about in your OP... "metal and paint." I'm unfamiliar with Tugboat but you should use a meter to check resistance/voltage/wattage. As I said, that influences the level of nic you're getting.... so, for instance, you may be vaping 6 mg juice but super atomizing it can boost what you get per draw way up beyond that.
 
I'm a little confused. Why would it have more or less voltage/wattage using the same equipment as my Tobh?

Also, I do have an Ohm meter. .49 was the coil that was in it, but I cut it out and threw it away just in case something was wrong there.

I did have a weird thing happen though when I pulled the old wick out. The wick underneath one of the coils was completely dry despite the deck being completely soaked at one point in time and me pushing the nose of the bottle into the wick to get it soaked. Maybe that's unrelated.
 

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Sorry I must have missed it but who made the clone? and did you say where you got it from?

It really does sounds like some kind of poisoning to make you feel that way only after 10 hits; heck even if it is 3 hits something is going into your system fast and that is usually some type of poison.

You are very brave or plain foolish to even think about 'testing" it again. I wouldn't subject myself to that anymore espcially if it is taking you days to recvoer from just 10 hits ... <blank>that

If it was me, I wouldn't even touch the thing again .... well maybe with a hammer. I would offer to send it free to any of these guys that are giving you flack about what it is dong to you and let them try it out ;)
 

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Also, lead is no longer allowed in paint... just a thought you should consider.

Melamine is not allowed in milk either, but it has shown up there in the PRC.
Melamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If it were me, I'd just discontinue use and move on. Is it worth feeling that ill over? What if a serious condition arises that requires acute medical care?
 

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I'm a little confused. Why would it have more or less voltage/wattage using the same equipment as my Tobh?

Also, I do have an Ohm meter. .49 was the coil that was in it, but I cut it out and threw it away just in case something was wrong there.

I did have a weird thing happen though when I pulled the old wick out. The wick underneath one of the coils was completely dry despite the deck being completely soaked at one point in time and me pushing the nose of the bottle into the wick to get it soaked. Maybe that's unrelated.

That does sound odd! Did your wicking material melt? Rayon is really a cellulose fiber, but some manufacturing processes (now banned in the US) could include other material in the rayon itself (look up cupramonium rayon). The world's largest rayon manufacturer is in India and they are not the most stringent country in the world in terms of health and safety!
 

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Throwing my two cents in here. Carlfromhr it truthfully sounds to me like you are going through what I call "NicSick" your experiencing exactly what I experience when I have a stressfull day, decide to drip 24mg, and over-do it. I am someone who is able to drip 12-16mg on a regular basis. When I over-do it on the 24mg, or I hit the bejeebus out of my ATTY I get light headed, sick to my stomach, thickness to my thinking and reasoning skills followed by stomach pain, fruitless time spent in the restroom, and than fruitful time spent in the same place later. I would honestly say I believe that you have gotten sick from the nicotine. Its entirely possible your 3mg is not actually 3mg, plausible that this back may contain a variation on nicotine. Its also possible that you did not get all of the machine oil out, that inferior oils were used etc. There are too many factors to simply go straight to the manufacturer and lay claims that a device or product got you sick. Send your bottle back, ask that it be checked. Have the atty checked by someone who can analyse it, switch to a completly different brand, and device and see if thats truthfully the cause. External factors can easily come in to play as well here such as drinking, different foods, water intake, etc etc etc.
 

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Melamine is not allowed in milk either, but it has shown up there in the PRC.
Melamine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If it were me, I'd just discontinue use and move on. Is it worth feeling that ill over? What if a serious condition arises that requires acute medical care?

Lead poisoning has a host of other symptoms... And lead laced paint would contain such minute amounts that it would not cause such an instantaneous reaction!
 
Yea, I think you're right. I want to try it again, but I'm not a glutton for punishment, so I really think I might send it back to the seller if they want it back to look at.

I can't tell if it's getting better or worse, but I hope I feel better tomorrow. If it's like last time I should be fine soon, so thank god for that.

I bought it from 101vape.com and the listing just says Tugboat RDA Clone. Not even kidding. Not a company, which is why I think it may be some sort of bad way they are making clones.

I don't know, man. I just don't know.
 

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I don't understand why my choice was dumb to him, though? 3mg is the lowest you can get most of the time without making your own. On top of that, 3mg is nothing. I used to vape 12mg and 18mg and only got nic-sick once.

I was thinking people would dismiss it as being nic-sick, but I swear this isn't that. I only took 10 hits off the atty before I got to work and I was already sick within the hour.



10 hits...rapidly ?

Is this the same way you vape your other atty ?
...all materials the same on other atty ?

Sure of the ohms on the build ?
( a hot spot maybe ? - yech...)

Really sure of the mg of the liquid ?


New drip tip ? (maybe not clean inside ?)
 
I promise it's not nic-sick. I took 10 hits this morning on the way to work and I immediately stopped because the familiar symptoms started from the last time I hit this atty.

Using my Tobh clone, I can hit it normally and there's no sickness no matter how much I vape on it. I take 10 hits on this thing and I'm sick for 3 days. I'm going to put it aside and if anyone wants to analyze it, you can have it. I plan to send it back to the seller to have them look at it themselves, but I kind of don't want it anymore after thinking about it for a little.
 
10 hits...rapidly ?

Is this the same way you vape your other atty ?
...all materials the same on other atty ?

Sure of the ohms on the build ?

Positive on the Ohms. Absolutely positive.

Sorry, I should have specified. I took 10 hits from the time I left home til the time I got to work, which was over the course of an 1 hour and 15 minutes (long commute :( ).

It's the same way I vape the other atty, except that one has a much more "complicated" coil. My Tobh has a twisted kanthal sleeper coil build and this one is just two 8 wraps of 26 gauge wire around a 5/64 drillbit (I think I counted that right).

And I always use the same coil material/wick. A-1 resistance kanthal with rayon fibers
 
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