I'm not a smoker. Is this worth getting into?

[gep]

You cannot post URL's or edit posts until you reach a certain level of posts.

Please read the newcomer's threads. I believe many of your questions will be answered there.

In answer to your question about the "spirit of the forum" that I referenced in my previous posts. Read some of the threads out there. Get to know the people on this forum from their posts and try to understand that this technology of which we are so enamored is threatened by the powers that be and many of us are truly afraid that we will have a difficult time staying off the "analogs".

Perhaps I have affected a seige mentality in responding to your posts but some of your early comments, particularly the one about "you're not smoking are you" set my alams off. And with each successive response you seem intent on asserting your desire to start vaping.

There is not one smoker on the face of this planet who doesn't wish they had not started. (Overstatement, maybe but I truly don't think so.) Many of us understand that it is not just the addiction to the nicotine but the ritualistic nature of smoking that is just as addictive. The vaping method has helped many exchange a proven harmful method of drug delivery to one that at this time appears to be less harmful. We understand that it may not be, but we have hope. My intent was not to quit smoking when I found e-cigs but to stop inhaling poisonous gas, diminish my intake of the residual tar from the burning of the tobacco and to save money. The reduction of my nicotine level was a choice that I made on my own because the choice was available.

No one here can tell you what to do. We can only advise.

And with that, I would advise you not to pick up the habit of inhaling anything but the good ol' nitrogen/oxygen blend that is our atmosphere (filter out what you can).

Go hang out at an oxygen bar.

Regards

 

[CssReb]

Suitable People:

• People with a long smoking history suffering from uncomfortable feeling without smoking cigarette
• People working in no-smoking areas for long time but having habit of smoking

Forbidden People:

• Minors under the age of 18
• People without the habit of smoking
• People allergic to nicotine or any components of inhalants
• Pregnant and breastfeeding women

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

I think that many of you are missing the point. If this person is genuine, there's going to be many more like him. I'm not a non-tobacco using person either, but I am far from most of the fully addicted people on this forum. I've gone years with no smoke, maybe a casual cigar or social cigarette every now and then. I've been able to just stop whenever I want. When I learned of this product, I was interested because I always liked the "feel" of smoking, it's pleasurable, not unlike having a drink every now and then. I just did not care for the after affects on my body (coughing, mass mucus, bad smells, lung damage...). I do like the taste of tobacco, as I have never stopped smoking cigars. This all led me to try vaping. I can say that I am hooked on this, not in the addicted way, but find it extremely satisfying. I echo Nuck in saying that it's pleasurable way to pass time while I watch a movie/tv/internet/whatever...

Anyway, back to my point, there are going to be many more legitimate people that have this interest. Not everyone is prone to nicotine addiction. If they stay away from nic altogether, the only harm they are doing is most likely nothing more than what they could do using a tobacco or leaf product in a hookah/..../pipe/cigar, probably even less damage. There are other types of smoking that this can replace and there are many other types of people that do these activities. Is this forum going to push them away and be the single focus anti-addiction snobs (like the various Anti-smoking people are) instead of trying to put as much information out there as possible. I always believe that we should give all the info we have and let the people make up their own minds. You don't have to be rude or accuse them of phishing/scamming... to tell them your opinion. Just let them know your experiences and leave it there. From all the reading I've done here, there really is no reason to hide anything. There's no reason a person phishing would get anything they couldn't find in the forum already. It's all pretty open and public. We're all adults here and can make up our own minds. I would hate to ask a question and be called a "tool" or say it's "moronic".

There's good and bad regarding this product, mainly because there is no testing done on it. All the information that people here have found out through trial and error, experience and the opinions of other people help to educate us all. Does this forum only stand for people that were/are addicted to nicotine only? I thought that this was a place that people, (ex)smokers or not, that are interested in Vaping can come to educate themselves and find out if this is really for them. At least that's why I found myself here.

kevin

NO.... there's definitely something wrong with this poster. Let each poster be judged by their own merits..... This is probably some FDA intern trying to dig up sh*t that can be projected during a hearing on whether or not the E-cig should be banned. Every single one of the posts has come off so incredibly phony....you have go to be kidding me

 

[chokmah]

Suitable People:

• People with a long smoking history suffering from uncomfortable feeling without smoking cigarette
• People working in no-smoking areas for long time but having habit of smoking

Forbidden People:

• Minors under the age of 18
• People without the habit of smoking
• People allergic to nicotine or any components of inhalants
• Pregnant and breastfeeding women

There ya go in black and white....

 

[gep]

THANK YOU.... Why doesn't everyone get it?

I get that they are possibly a troll. I don't care. I'm gonna have my say just the same. That way there's no doubt on what my position is.

It's my time, I'll waste it how I want to.

 

[idontusetobacco]

ok, here is the deal. TBH we don't know if vaping is safe, but we KNOW tobacco will kill us. We are addicted to nicotine and though we aren't 100% sure it safer then cigs it seems like it would be and for most of use its worth the risk. If you are really interested in vaping wait until some studies have been done on the long term effects of vaping PG or VG, if it shows it completely harmless go for it. but if your not addicted to nicotine or the habit of smoking there really is no reason to risk it.

Well, perhaps I'm downplaying the risks in my head. I guess I don't really see the harm, scientifically, from PG. Are people concerned about the .1% of the solutions where all the flavor comes from?

If we convert a non-smoker to a vape... a way to take nicotin to our lungs - FDA and anti-smoking groups will have their field day. That, we defintely don't want to begin with.

You are an intelligent fella who knows the difference between 0 nicotin and all - but to their eyes (anti-smoking groups/politicians) - it's all same to their eyes. Many of us, certainly don't want to draw such negative attention at the verge of possible FDA banning. On the contrary, we'd like to show the world, how e-smoking has changed our smoking habit. How e-cig made to stop smoking and improve our health and all.

I suggest to get on vaping at least AFTER FDA approval/regulation. We might be in more welcoming mood by then.

I have a feeling that the FDA is probably going to be a jerk and just ban everything I guess it depends on how much the tobacco lobby feels like spending this year. You know, there's an argument to be made for repealing the Seventeenth Amendment!

I really didn't want to post but I am going to anyway.

A question like "Is it worth it" is completely subjective, and thus, not easily answered. Since there are, to my knowledge, no members here who are not, or at least were not, addicted to nicotine we have no experience with which to answer your question.

I had not smoked for years but was increasingly feeling the desire to start again. Thankfully I found out about vaping and made a personal decision to do that instead. I have since gone from 18mg liquid down to less than 3mg and mostly I vape non-nic. There are sub-forums and groups dedicated specifically to 0-nic vaping. Perhaps you could get a better answer there.

I realize "Is it worth it" is very subjective. I'm interested in people's opinions. But when every other poster for an entire page says "No, you'll get addicted to Nicotine" after I've said 50 times that I won't use any nicotine flavors, well, then those opinions are kind of worthless to me! That's like asking your spouse "Should we get a dog?" and him/her saying "No, I'm allergic to cats!" They don't have anything to do with each other!

I was hoping that there might be other posters here already like me re:nicotine addiction, so I guess I get the sucky job of paving the way

Could you point me in the right direction towards those sub-forums and groups? I haven't seen one on here yet, but then, I am new

 

[taukimada]

I messed up my quote tags and I can't seem to find an edit button. Are edits on this forum disabled? Here's what I meant to say. If a mod could fix my quote tags for me, feel free to delete this post.



Actually, you raise a very good point! I don't have any experience smoking, really, besides the one time at the hookah bar, but my understanding is that you can chose to inhale directly into your lungs, or just fill your mouth. So I could just suck the vapor into my mouth, taste it, and then blow it out. Then there's absolutely no concern about the stuff getting into my lungs.

that's all a nice fine and dandy idea... in theory...

but.. if you are inhaling it in any way.. it's going to end up in your lungs to a certain extent..

seriously friend.. it's just not a good idea.. i'm not going to outright tell you you can't.. because quite honestly.. if you were in a hookah bar using.. then one can make a safe assumption that you are an adult.. and thusly capable of making your own decisions.. but what EVERYBODY (other than Nuck ) is trying to do is advise you to not start something you don't need to (with varying degrees of asshatishness)

on a sidenote.. for those worried about OP being an antismoker troll...

there is no reason to not at least respond with a modicum of respect here... the point of advising Op to not use can be made without being nasty and derogative... and honestly... if we give honest and intelligent answers to the question... there really shouldnt be anything to fear in responding... if you TRULY feel that your personal response can be used as a weapon against us vaping... then please fell free to NOT RESPOND as personally.. id prefer you dont take the risk with MY well being

and idontusetobacco... if indeed you ARE an anti just trying to get one of us to encourage you to do the wrong thing so that you can report it publicly (btw.. not saying you ARE) then you simply are the worst scum of the earth, for there is NO REASON whatsoever for you to give two diddlys about what we as nicotine addicts have chosen to do to solve our addictions without harming you.. if it is so... please feel free to crawl back under your obstinent, hateful, decietful, uncaring, fascist, controlling home under the rock from whence you slithered!!

 

[gep]

that's all a nice fine and dandy idea... in theory...

but.. if you are inhaling it in any way.. it's going to end up in your lungs to a certain extent..

seriously friend.. it's just not a good idea.. i'm not going to outright tell you you can't.. because quite honestly.. if you were in a hookah bar using.. then one can make a safe assumption that you are an adult.. and thusly capable of making your own decisions.. but what EVERYBODY (other than Nuck ) is trying to do is advise you to not start something you don't need to (with varying degrees of asshatishness)

on a sidenote.. for those worried about OP being an antismoker troll...

there is no reason to not at least respond with a modicum of respect here... the point of advising Op to not use can be made without being nasty and derogative... and honestly... if we give honest and intelligent answers to the question... there really shouldnt be anything to fear in responding... if you TRULY feel that your personal response can be used as a weapon against us vaping... then please fell free to NOT RESPOND as personally.. id prefer you dont take the risk with MY well being

and idontusetobacco... if indeed you ARE an anti just trying to get one of us to encourage you to do the wrong thing so that you can report it publicly (btw.. not saying you ARE) then you simply are the worst scum of the earth, for there is NO REASON whatsoever for you to give two diddlys about what we as nicotine addicts have chosen to do to solve our addictions without harming you.. if it is so... please feel free to crawl back under your obstinent, hateful, decietful, uncaring, fascist, controlling home under the rock from whence you slithered!!

*sigh*...if only I was unmarried and younger (assuming you are male. If not, then if only I was younger, unmarried and willing to switch sides.)

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

that's all a nice fine and dandy idea... in theory...

but.. if you are inhaling it in any way.. it's going to end up in your lungs to a certain extent..

seriously friend.. it's just not a good idea.. i'm not going to outright tell you you can't.. because quite honestly.. if you were in a hookah bar using.. then one can make a safe assumption that you are an adult.. and thusly capable of making your own decisions.. but what EVERYBODY (other than Nuck ) is trying to do is advise you to not start something you don't need to (with varying degrees of asshatishness)

on a sidenote.. for those worried about OP being an antismoker troll...

there is no reason to not at least respond with a modicum of respect here... the point of advising Op to not use can be made without being nasty and derogative... and honestly... if we give honest and intelligent answers to the question... there really shouldnt be anything to fear in responding... if you TRULY feel that your personal response can be used as a weapon against us vaping... then please fell free to NOT RESPOND as personally.. id prefer you dont take the risk with MY well being

and idontusetobacco... if indeed you ARE an anti just trying to get one of us to encourage you to do the wrong thing so that you can report it publicly (btw.. not saying you ARE) then you simply are the worst scum of the earth, for there is NO REASON whatsoever for you to give two diddlys about what we as nicotine addicts have chosen to do to solve our addictions without harming you.. if it is so... please feel free to crawl back under your obstinent, hateful, decietful, uncaring, fascist, controlling home under the rock from whence you slithered!!

Probabaly the best way to approach this thread ... the Double-edged sword... "Well if you are truly an honest soul... here is your answer.... But if you're an anti... .... YOU!"

 

[taukimada]

I get that they are possibly a troll. I don't care. I'm gonna have my say just the same. That way there's no doubt on what my position is.

It's my time, I'll waste it how I want to.

i knew there was a reason i liked you

 

[CssReb]

I'm emotionally devastated the OP called me an ... hole in a public forum.

​

 

[taukimada]

Probabaly the best way to approach this thread ... the Double-edged sword... "Well if you are truly an honest soul... here is your answer.... But if you're an anti... .... YOU!"

BINGO... give that guy a prize!!!

 

[taukimada]

*sigh*...if only I was unmarried and younger (assuming you are male. If not, then if only I was younger, unmarried and willing to switch sides.)

yes dear.. i am male... and age.. is more a state of mind.. that married thing tho... seeing as my wife just filed for divorce because i figured out she was cheating.. that one's a huge hurdle....

i will say tho... alabama is only an hour or two drive away LOL

 

[lachesis]

I have a feeling that the FDA is probably going to be a jerk and just ban everything I guess it depends on how much the tobacco lobby feels like spending this year. You know, there's an argument to be made for repealing the Seventeenth Amendment!

And really... if you do believe vaping is a safer option for us (it's an important health decision for many of us) - then please refrain yourself from vaping in vain, and that's my recommendation. Yes, for you, it might look like I'm saying "I'm taking all the candies here - so you scram" thingie. But it's really not. I'm just telling you that by you choosing to vape, you might be one more cause for FDA total ban.

Boil some Lemon tea and inhale the aroma, or do what you have to do to satisfy your inhaling pleasure... but please don't put us in bad political position by asking us to recommend something that's already raising quite a few politician's eyebrows, especially if you are not a nicotin addict. Unless you can wear a T-shirt that says I'm vaping 0mg nicotin juice front and back in techni-color and convince everyone that e-smoking is a better option while doing so... even if you did all that, anti-smoking groups will point the fingers at e-cigs for ruining young (you are 18, correct?) peoples life.

I don't believe e-cigs are good. Nicotin is still poison, and addictive. It could cause heart problems. But it doesn't cause cancer at the same time. So it's lesser of 2 evils. It's BETTER than analogs, theoretically, and logically - but not yet proven medically, not at least by FDA, and I don't see any desperation in your posts... which is good... and we ARE desperate people. Do you know what it feels like when you fail to quit smoking? I tried 3 times. 3 failures. It made me feel like a total loser with overwhelming guilt and shame. I don't want anyone to go through such feelings.

Such is addiction, and such is why we - at lease I'm telling you not to do it.

 

[jimson]

The responses you are getting are from people who hope this is a healthier alternative to the tobacco habit they are addicted to.

We still think it is a bad habit and don't necessarily believe it is harmless, only less harmful than what we were doing before.

We cannot in good conscience recommend it to someone who is not going to use it to replace a less healthy habit.

You have the right to do anything legal you wish.

So if you must try this, simply and above all, stay away from any juice or carts that contain nicotine.

 

[CrystalLakeDave]

has anyone noticed that the way this thread is being written is alot like the other thread by the same type of person asking the same type of thing? The quoting is very similar.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/11637-wrong-me-6.html

 

[idontusetobacco]

I think that many of you are missing the point. If this person is genuine, there's going to be many more like him. I'm not a non-tobacco using person either, but I am far from most of the fully addicted people on this forum. I've gone years with no smoke, maybe a casual cigar or social cigarette every now and then. I've been able to just stop whenever I want. When I learned of this product, I was interested because I always liked the "feel" of smoking, it's pleasurable, not unlike having a drink every now and then. I just did not care for the after affects on my body (coughing, mass mucus, bad smells, lung damage...). I do like the taste of tobacco, as I have never stopped smoking cigars. This all led me to try vaping. I can say that I am hooked on this, not in the addicted way, but find it extremely satisfying. I echo Nuck in saying that it's pleasurable way to pass time while I watch a movie/tv/internet/whatever...

Anyway, back to my point, there are going to be many more legitimate people that have this interest. Not everyone is prone to nicotine addiction. If they stay away from nic altogether, the only harm they are doing is most likely nothing more than what they could do using a tobacco or leaf product in a hookah/..../pipe/cigar, probably even less damage. There are other types of smoking that this can replace and there are many other types of people that do these activities. Is this forum going to push them away and be the single focus anti-addiction snobs (like the various Anti-smoking people are) instead of trying to put as much information out there as possible. I always believe that we should give all the info we have and let the people make up their own minds. You don't have to be rude or accuse them of phishing/scamming... to tell them your opinion. Just let them know your experiences and leave it there. From all the reading I've done here, there really is no reason to hide anything. There's no reason a person phishing would get anything they couldn't find in the forum already. It's all pretty open and public. We're all adults here and can make up our own minds. I would hate to ask a question and be called a "tool" or say it's "moronic".

There's good and bad regarding this product, mainly because there is no testing done on it. All the information that people here have found out through trial and error, experience and the opinions of other people help to educate us all. Does this forum only stand for people that were/are addicted to nicotine only? I thought that this was a place that people, (ex)smokers or not, that are interested in Vaping can come to educate themselves and find out if this is really for them. At least that's why I found myself here.

kevin

Thank you Kevin for actually speaking to me like an adult. If I'm really the first person to come here with these ideas, then this community needs to figure out how you're going to deal with people like me.

I like drinking single malt scotch. It's expensive (a nice bottle costs somewhere around $40-$60), so I don't do it very often. Maybe a few times a month. Maybe I'll only end up vaping with the same frequency too. I've been envisaging it as an "occasional glass of scotch" kind of thing, not an every day event like it is for most of you.

And with that, I would advise you not to pick up the habit of inhaling anything but the good ol' nitrogen/oxygen blend that is our atmosphere (filter out what you can).

Go hang out at an oxygen bar.

Regards

Wow, you learn something new every day! I had no idea people would spend money on oxygen. That's worse than bottled water! $1 per minute?!? Now THAT'S an expensive habit!

Suitable People:

• People with a long smoking history suffering from uncomfortable feeling without smoking cigarette
• People working in no-smoking areas for long time but having habit of smoking

Forbidden People:

• Minors under the age of 18
• People without the habit of smoking
• People allergic to nicotine or any components of inhalants
• Pregnant and breastfeeding women

I'm sorry. I wasn't able to find any of that in the forum rules (which I can't link to...grrr) Could you tell me where on the site that is written? If I missed it, then I'm sorry. I broke the rules by registering, and I assume my account will be deleted shortly.

NO.... there's definitely something wrong with this poster. Let each poster be judged by their own merits..... This is probably some FDA intern trying to dig up sh*t that can be projected during a hearing on whether or not the E-cig should be banned. Every single one of the posts has come off so incredibly phony....you have go to be kidding me

Actually, I live in metro DC. I assume the FDA is headquartered somewhere around here. Maybe I should apply for a job?

that's all a nice fine and dandy idea... in theory...

but.. if you are inhaling it in any way.. it's going to end up in your lungs to a certain extent..

seriously friend.. it's just not a good idea.. i'm not going to outright tell you you can't.. because quite honestly.. if you were in a hookah bar using.. then one can make a safe assumption that you are an adult.. and thusly capable of making your own decisions.. but what EVERYBODY (other than Nuck ) is trying to do is advise you to not start something you don't need to (with varying degrees of asshatishness)

I love people who use ...... in a sentence
You're right. This isn't something that I need to do. I also don't need to drink scotch or bourbon or eat ice cream. But I like doing all those things, and I know that they aren't good for me (well, supposedly a drinks worth of ethanol a day is good for you, but still...) Maybe this is one more "vice" that I just don't need? I guess I still just don't see the harm though. It's not addicting (physically, I mean. Psychologically, well, I'm not too worried about that either). I should find out how much PG is in every dash of Angostura bitters so I'll know just how much I'm already imbibing on the weekends.

 

[CssReb]

Idon'tusetobacco, are you related to jonleflar ?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/11637-wrong-me.html

 

[gep]

yes dear.. i am male... and age.. is more a state of mind.. that married thing tho... seeing as my wife just filed for divorce because i figured out she was cheating.. that one's a huge hurdle....

i will say tho... alabama is only an hour or two drive away LOL

(that's a blush, not a hot flash)



Some people don't know what they have 'til they lose it. I offer you either condolences or congratulations depending on your take of your impending divorce.

.....hmmmm.....actually less than an hour

 

[jonleflar]

Idon'tusetobacco, are you related to jonleflar ?

Are you guy's seriously THAT paranoid?