I'm not a smoker. Is this worth getting into?

[ZambucaLu]

Just beause the FDA approves a product does not mean it is safe for off use, they approve drugs and doctors use them for other than they were developed for. that is the same things with food flavoring and then sometimes the FDA gets it seriously wrong and then it makes headlines. A fact of life is that as things change in our worlds what is safe changes. Don't take everything the Goverment or FDA does as bing ablolutely correct all the time.

This wonderful internet will give you toxcology reports for almost any chemical you want to know about. I have look up all the chemicals in the e-liquid I use, one at a time. The lesson is don't take others peoples words for important things like your health, check it out yourself, make informed decisions.

Here are some flavoring and food additives that are supposed to be toxic. May be in larger quality’s than we use because aspartame is included in the list and some don’t say what they taste like.

TOXIC FLAVOR LIST
Possible Adverse Effects
BENZALDEHYDE: Artificial almond flavoring. PAE: central nervous system depression and convulsions.
CLOVE BUD EXTRACT: Natural flavoring. PAE: Rat studies revealed paralysis of their jaws, hind legs and eventually died.
AMYL ACETATE: Pear and banana oil. Used as a flavoring in drinks and in various non-food products. PAE: centeral nervous system depression, ingestion, chest pain, headache, fatigue and irriation the mucous membranesto
Possible Adverse Effects

I think these really need to tell what doses they are talking about. I mean, anything in too large quantity (even water!) can have adverse effects. We'd really have to know if the amounts we are using would qualify for these effects.

To me, this is all too vague.

Lu

 

[ZambucaLu]

I gotta admit, I'm brand new to this vaping business, and I've been lurking the forums over the last couple weeks. Gathering all the information I can, I've even ordered my first PV. I've been a pack a day smoker for 5 years now, and up until this post I've been excited about joining this community to try and better myself with support and information networks I didn't have available to me before. After reading this thread (almost entirely, might I add) I feel like I don't want to post anything in fear of being publicly ridiculed, accused, and as blatantly mistreated as this OP is. Even if they were a troll or a plant, how is being courteous and honest going to do anything to hurt vaping? The only thing this thread has managed to do, in my opinion is leave a foul taste in my mouth, and it sucks to think that people as genuine and excited to finally be off analogs would treat anyone like this.

If you've been lurking here for a while Path, you probably noticed this is not the usual "reception" a newb gets around here. I hope you don't judge the entire forum on what transpired in a couple of threads here.

And btw...welcome aboard!

Lu

 

[taz3cat]

Non of us want to be a part of a young person picking up bad habits and we don't want to be the victim of some shill out to get us. As smokers we have been kicked to the curb and now as vaporers they want to make us illegal. all we need is the new teen fad to be vaping, they may want to hang us next.

Some teenager ruined DC's survey and it was a realy good and well though out and could have helped us with our gaining acceptance of e-cigs.

 

[ZambucaLu]

Non of us want to be a part of a young person picking up bad habits and we don't want to be the victim of some shill out to get us. As smokers we have been kicked to the curb and now as vaporers they want to make us illegal. all we need is the new teen fad to be vaping, they may want to hang us next.

Some teenager ruined DC's survey and it was a realy good and well though out and could have helped us with our gaining acceptance of e-cigs.

That was a teenager? I thought it was a supplier posing as a teenager?

Lu

 

[nitewriter]

Pathogen, everyone here is very passionate when it comes to protecting the one thing we've found that could save us from cigarette addiction. We don't want it taken from us, forcing us to other less effective NRT's, or back to analogs. Unfortunately that would be the case for most of us.

Because of e-cigs being attacked from so many forces lately, it has put us on the defense. All it would take is for one person from this forum to tell an under age person that it's safe to vape, and it could all be gone for all of us.

I'm sorry our first impression on you was not the best we've made, but please don't judge the whole forum on this thread. This is the kindest and most helpful group of people I've ever encountered.

I hope you will reconsider your initial thoughts and make yourself at home. I for one, welcome you.

 

[Fudgeman]

I find vaping fun. Sitting back relaxing in front of movie it's just a really nice way to kick back.

If you want to try it..go for it. I assume you're over 18 and if you are I have no idea why you're getting such a hard time.

I have no idea either. he's asking about playing with what appears to be harmless smoke with no nicotine, no tar, no carbon monoxide. whats the big deal? If he wanted to know if he should start drinking wine, would you say "NOOOO!!! you'll turn into an alcoholic and die a miserable death AAAAAAHH!" no, you wouldnt. and especially if he said he wanted to drink some type of alcohol free wine or O'Douls (sp?) beer or something similarly alcohol free.

I think the problem right now is that the general public is ignorant about e smoking (as was I). when I first saw it in a kiosk in the mall here in atlanta I thought it was silly. of course, I didnt realize there was nicotine in it. once I found out how exponentially less dangerous it was, it made a ton of sense. now, I'm all for it and I plan on ordering a starter pack and some liquid to replace my infrequent cigarette use (if I could wade through all the info - its overwhelming! I would paypal someone ten buck if they would tell me which was the cheapest place to get a super mini from and best bang for buck for liquid and how many atomizers I need and how to clean them (just that alone seems like a pain in the rear) etc )

Becuase the public is so uninformed, they see it as either silly or dangerous instead of as a potentially MASSIVE savings in health care. I am shocked the big tabacco companies have not rushed to market with something that appears to be so much safer. at this point, how could they lose? what if we find out it causes lung cancer. oh no. certainly not any worse than analogs. I guess people on this forum fear the public ignorance. I can understand that - ignorance can be a very dangerous thing. or so I'm told (I dont really know much about it ) sorry couldnt resist.

anyway, I think thats the source of the resentment. if you arent going to smoke anything with nicotine in it then go ahead! get some tasty liquids (cola and vanilla sound great to me) and have fun blowing vapor rings etc. I really dont see what the big deal is. another thing that just popped into my head is that by keeping it low profile, vapers (as opposed to vapors right?) hope to not receive the focus of the "powers that be" who might ban it etc. I think thats the wrong way to look at it. I think it should be marketed very louldy and proudly with slogans like "don't smoke, vape!" "smoke kills vapor don't" - we'll use that last one here in the south lol

 

[taz3cat]

If it was a supplier posing as a teenage is sure was a dumb supplier. There was not one question on there that was personal to suppliers and It is in their best interest for DC's survey to get finished. Suppliers loose there business if the e-cigs become illegal. That is like shooting yourself in the foot.

That will teach me to make statemants I can not back up because, I just know rumors at this point. Please excuse my lapse. Thanks Lu.

That was a teenager? I thought it was a supplier posing as a teenager?

Lu

 

[strayling]

What do I need to do to get you off my back? Do you not like me because you think I'm someone other than who I said I am, or because of my interest in vaping as a nonsmoker? I'm not going anywhere, and I don't want a regular member spreading rumors or besmirching my character all because I made an honest thread which was interpreted wrong.

If you think that was me getting on your case, you're far too sensitive to go online. Take a mental step back and imagine how your questions look in the current climate with the FDA sniffing around making power grabs and the cries of "think of the children" starting to be heard. If you're genuine then stick around and this rocky introduction will soon be forgotten.

 

[ZambucaLu]

If it was a supplier posing as a teenage is sure was a dumb supplier. There was not one question on there that was personal to suppliers and It is in their best interest for DC's survey to get finished. Suppliers loose there business if the e-cigs become illegal. That is like shooting yourself in the foot.

That will teach me to make statemants I can not back up because, I just know rumors at this point. Please excuse my lapse. Thanks Lu.

Well actually taz, I just browsed that thread to keep an eye it. I thought that's what I saw there but I would have to go back and reread it to be absolutely sure.

NP!

Lu

 

[Oliver]

I gotta admit, I'm brand new to this vaping business, and I've been lurking the forums over the last couple weeks. Gathering all the information I can, I've even ordered my first PV. I've been a pack a day smoker for 5 years now, and up until this post I've been excited about joining this community to try and better myself with support and information networks I didn't have available to me before. After reading this thread (almost entirely, might I add) I feel like I don't want to post anything in fear of being publicly ridiculed, accused, and as blatantly mistreated as this OP is. Even if they were a troll or a plant, how is being courteous and honest going to do anything to hurt vaping? The only thing this thread has managed to do, in my opinion is leave a foul taste in my mouth, and it sucks to think that people as genuine and excited to finally be off analogs would treat anyone like this.

As Path says we need to get back to some common courtesy on the forum.

There's too many threads that get derailed by name calling and general unhelpfulness - can we please act with a bit more respect?

We've become a real focal point in the e-smoking debate, and I'd like to think that as a community we represent the cause well.

Thanks,

SJ

 

[Pathogen]

I don't really see how you can ban vaporisors. I'm not sure of the technical aspects, but couldn't e-juice be used in an albuterol nebulizer? My brother use to have asthma, and that's what he used, seemed very similar. Wouldn't they just ban liquid nicotine?

 

[taukimada]

I don't really see how you can ban vaporisors. I'm not sure of the technical aspects, but couldn't e-juice be used in an albuterol nebulizer? My brother use to have asthma, and that's what he used, seemed very similar. Wouldn't they just ban liquid nicotine?

thier problem is that the fda is a bunch of fat beaurocrats.. to them it's all a simple matter of black and whites... either it's ok..or it is not.

when/if there is a ban... the immediate will be everything to do with ecigs PERIOD.. we may shortl;y thereafter get our "vaporizers" back... vut then itsa loooooooooooooong 6 years of testing before we get the juice IF they deem it necessary to even test it after the ban

 

[ozrick]

Welp, I figured I'd chime in. I have a friend of mine (female) who loves cigars but doesn't smoke them very often. She loves the feeling but ends up getting sick from the nicotine in them. I'm actually buying her an e-cigar with no-nic liquid so she can enjoy a cigar without getting sick. She loves the different flavors and really wants to give it a shot. At first I was against it but then I realized that this could be better for her in the long run. She probably won't vape that much but it's a nice alternative to the cigars she has.

As far as someone just wanting to vape to vape and having never smoked before, I'd say no. There really isn't a reason to do so- but to each his/her own.

 

[KATO]

Well, there may be one possible exception here.
I was a very infrequent smoker (maybe 1 pack per month out at bars when it was legal here in Dallas)
I thought vaping was pretty cool, now I vape apple on a trog screwdriver. Benefit... lost 20 pounds in two months by grabbing the Screwdriver instead of a snack. I'm sure that everyone's experience will be different, but I was not intentionally trying to lose weight by vaping, it's just that vaping is - EXTREMELY HABIT FORMING, - and it will displace something in your lifestyle, but for me, thus far, it is turning out fabulous.

My only complaint is the occaisional sore throat from over doing it.
Let's hope we don't learn of negative effects down the road.

K

 

[mswelldone]

Best thing to do is ignore the noobies that ask moronic questions like this. Eventually they will just go away.

I actually appreciate this one, I have a tendency to ask stupid questions, oftentimes finding the answer in a post shortly after.

I just hope that guy still supports the cause. This thread has left me wondering if it's time to start pointing fingers. FDA conglomerates have allowed big tobacco a cheaper way of keeping their product above water, when we have paid them more than enough to get this show on the road.