I'm not trying to be difficult but...

[Cheechako]

I do have to give this forum it's proper respect, I go on other boards in regards to hobbies I have purely for the information.
Posting on a lot of the other boards can be an exercise in frustration. The long standing members are waiting to pounce and ridicule any newb questions, vicously at times.
I haven't joined any forums and actively participated as much as I have this one, even supporting it financialy due to the attitude fostered here and positive image it gives to the vaping community.
But (here comes the but monkey), I have seen a bit of "Real vapers use this", thankfully, very little!
Also it must get a little old for the senior members here with a great deal of experience to have some newb post like they know it all, again, thankfully, very little.
Cheers to all and this merry band of vapers!
You are all great folks!

 

[jtpjc]

I have really enjoyed this forum but it kinda puts me off to see the attitudes of, "Real vapers use _____", or,"Only silly n00bs like ______".

Just buy a Darwin and get over it

 

[zara1269]

This is my amateur take on the subject. Granted this is an extreme example but...

Finding e-cigs is sort of like when someone first finds religion. When you first find religion you think the dogma of your particular faith is the absolute best/most accurate and you want to share with the world what is so great about your new found religion. This new found religion has made you so happy that you want the rest of the world to be as happy as you and the only way that is possible is to share the same religion.

I have been a vaper for over a year and have spent quite a bit of time on these forums and I don't think I have noticed so much of this so called picking on newbs for their choices in e-Cigs or the "OMG you have to have to get this product or you're not a real vaper"...at least not in a mean way. Of course I have worked customer service (restaurant) for many years so I am not likely to notice as much rudeness or snark as people who haven't had this much time serving food to the general public so maybe I am more oblivious to it. My experience on this forum has been a very positive one and like anything else you have to filter out honest reviews from "fanboy/fangirl" reviews. The only problem I see on occasion is the suggestion of mods to absolute newbies...I don't think that's the right way to go for them at that point.

When I first started on here I started out with the Joye 510 and was warned about how the battery life leaves much to be desired and that I "MUST" get an eGo. And guess what...my 510's (which I am still greatful for as they helped me quit cigarettes) are long history and I am still vaping away on my eGos (going to try the KGo soon though).

To wrap up...as with anything new...try a small amount of product/hardware/juice first. Like the Boge Cartos...I ordered one box of them to try and it turned out that I loved them and therefore bought more.

Good luck with it all though!

 

[VapApe]

Well its just human nature. For every group that swears by something,there will be others who will swear at it.

 

[newq]

I'm not worried about me as I've grown the thick skin some time ago. When I see the snarky stuff I automatically think of the people who are new to this and worry that they'll get discouraged. I didn't write this post to chasten those who make that type of comment so much as to let those on the receiving end of them know that they're not alone and not everyone is looking down on them.

don't get me wrong at all Tam I am in your camp. If you are short or give a crappy reply playing the holier than though routine with a new visitor you may in fact discourage them from participating with our discussions. We all seek acceptance on some level and all look for validation from like minded individuals and often feel stepped on when our perogative is not well received.

My advice was simply meant as a do not be discouraged. After re-reading my post I noted that if read in the wrong frame of mind that it may be misconstrued as "suck it up cupcake" which was not the intention but more of a piss on them if they don't like it type post.

Running a forum and website on a completely separate topic I have seen others who failed to negotiate an improper comment and lost themselves and their access privilege because they flipped instead of responding appropriately. You don't want to be that guy.

 

[theWayISshut]

No such thing as one fits all in the e-cig business. It's more like try it first and see for yourself. Fact that you have to buy them online makes it difficult to do a try first and refund your money if you're not satisfied. Also, not all have the same deep pockets, have the same taste, have the same lifestyle, etc.

It's more like burn some money first till you find what you're looking for. This thread itself is confusing. The OP mentioned that she's satisfied with the tank she is using, as in Ego-T. Well, tell me about it after a few weeks or months.

And that's what bothers me about these posts. Most e-cig devices work right out of the box and how many Youtube vids have I seen when I was starting where most of these devices have positive reviews. You buy the device and a week later it's nothing but crap.

 

[sailorman]

....how many Youtube vids have I seen when I was starting where most of these devices have positive reviews. You buy the device and a week later it's nothing but crap.

Well, there's the fundamental problem. There are a handful of Youtube reviewers that are knowledgeable, unbiased and worth paying attention to. (Pbusardo, Smoky and Grimm Green come to mind, but there are a very few others). 98% of the rest are shills, pitchmen, or just plain old idiots and burnouts. And definitely NEVER pay attention to any review by someone offering a discount code, unless that exact same code is available on the vendors website or forum.

Youtube, when it comes to product reviews, has degenerated into a big cesspool of commercialized spam. It takes some experience to navigate it safely. Unfortunately, the exact people who rely on these reviews are likely to be the newbs that lack the experience needed to avoid sinking into the mire.

 

[theWayISshut]

What I'm saying is please review the device after a week or months of intensive use. Or have the decency to come back and come up with another review about the device months later.

 

[krnxguhj33]

What I'm saying is please review the device after a week or months of intensive use. Or have the decency to come back and come up with another review about the device months later.

So true. There were so many reviews that I based some past purchases on and they were all for naught..

 

[Warren D. Lockaby]

I have seen it, too. It's not your imagination. In my experience it's not the vets who are dissing particular e-cig models; it's people who are fairly new to vaping and have found their Vaping Nirvana. They want to spread the joy but they're making the mistake of thinking that their way is necessarily the best way for their fellow vapers.

In other words, I don't think they fully realize what they're doing. Their excitement is blinding them... which is kind of cool when you think about it.

Yeah, kinda cool... as long as their blindness is neither hurtful nor contagious. I can't help feeling a sort of sadness for folks who take the "learning curve" so fast they don't actually *learn* what's really going on in these marvelous little gadgets they've discovered but hey, whatever works, works.

Whatever works, for *you* - Happy Vaping!

 

[Malawi]

I can't get as good of a TH off of them. I've tried with several juices ranging from 70/30 up to 100% VG. That, combined with what a pain they are to fill (compared to my tanks) and, yeah, they're just sitting in a drawer waiting for the zombie apocalypse. I'd use them again then.

This was a typo where you did mean to write PG and not VG right?

 

[sailorman]

This was a typo where you did mean to write PG and not VG right?

I think she meant VG. Some people say that Boges (or any polyfilled carto) are a pain with high VG juice. Personally, I never had that problem. I started with 100%VG and used cartos all the time.

I guess though that she never tried, or at least mastered, the condom method. I can't image how anyone who has could describe filling cartos as a pain. It's easy-peasy so long as you're not blind or drunk or something.

 

[dshark]

Simply an observation of recent reply postings of several threads in the New Members Forum I see a noticeable difference in those replies. I am not certain if its the various traction points from this thread are the results of that but it is my opinion that is a positive thing. We all have rights to our own opinions and to express them however most people end up here to find answers as did I and still I do. All should be very proud to be a part of this forum and community. I know I am and I feel good about the help I receive here.

 

[newq]

What I'm saying is please review the device after a week or months of intensive use. Or have the decency to come back and come up with another review about the device months later.

Well thats not really even fair. For instance, I have used Njoy brand ecigs and then went to an elipse ovale and then to a LT The performance jump from each of these was HUGE. Reviewers Should have ample experience using many different devices and setups. Someone who used a $5 dollar disposable and then upgrades to a bottom barrel Njoy ecig is hardly capable of drawing accurate comparisons of a device when they themselves do not have the background on the spectrum that the market offers.

Just because an Njoy works better than any disposable doesnt make it comparable to a PV. IT ALSO DOES NOT MEAN IT DOESNT HAVE A PLACE or a purpose. Many of us were introduced this way. Most of us didn't hop from smoking analogs into a provari. We have a natural inclination to mistrust claims and struggle with spending a good amount of money on a device we have very little personal experience with. Someone such as MYSELF who has only used 3 devices. And Have never used much more than DCTs with my current setup. I am a horrible choice to comment on how my PV stacks up to what the market offers. I know many own Lavatube, I think its decent. Many would say it is crap. I also have a buzz pro on the way. Many would say its a solid PV and some would say that it doesnt hold a candle to the new PVs coming out.

Everyone has got to start somewhere and where you are satisfied is your perogative. However reviews that make claims of opinion are bad all the way around. An unbiased review gives you the Highs, the lows, perhaps draws a comparison to its competitors and then a ecap of the highlights and then the reviewer may choose to offer his or her opinions. Without ALOT of experience with a wide variety of equipment how can you assume that you are capable of drawing a legitimate comparison?

Just a thought.

My experience is short with my LT but even at a months worth of usage being as though I dont know what else is out there would it be fair for me to get on youtube and spout about how great it is especially to someone who has used all of the top of the line mods? NO a provari user would be ...... that they spent the money based on my review and the provari actually out performed it.

 

[Deblym]

I am not disagreeing with you Newq....but could you clarify something for me? You said : 'Just because an Njoy works better than any disposable doesnt make it comparable to a PV.'. ........ Are you saying an Njoy is not a pv? And if it isn't, what is it? Lol maybe I'm just a confused noob but I thought all ' electronic cigarettes' are PV's

 

[sailorman]

I am not disagreeing with you Newq....but could you clarify something for me? You said : 'Just because an Njoy works better than any disposable doesnt make it comparable to a PV.'. ........ Are you saying an Njoy is not a pv? And if it isn't, what is it? Lol maybe I'm just a confused noob but I thought all ' electronic cigarettes' are PV's

It's a PV. All e-cigs are PV's. Unfortunately, marketing dictated that the analog-lookalikes be called e-cigarettes to hook people into trying them. If it's an "electronic cigarette", it must look and taste like a traditional cigarette, right?

BIG MISTAKE, IMO. Not for the Blu's of the world, they made out; but bad for vapers. I'm convinced that if they were all called PV's, (or anything that didn't evoke the bad image of a cigarette), right from the start, we'd have an easier row to hoe in gaining wider public acceptance.

I've heard people say, "just because your cigarette is electric it doesn't mean you don't still smoke". I've heard vapers say "I smoke an e-cig.". Yes it does and no they don't!! That's the kind of thing the name "e-cigarette" has caused.

Personally, if we can't totally shed the term e-cig, I'd just as soon draw a distinction between a cigarette lookalike and all other types of PVs. Reserve the word for the analog clones, or dump it completely.

As you can tell from my sig, this is a pet-peeve of mine.

 

[imsoenthused]

The problem with your argument is that if I call it a PV I then have to explain what it means. Frankly, sometimes I just want to read my book while I drink my coffee and vape with out stopping to give someone an extended education. Not to mention, I'd look pretty silly telling people not to call it an e-cig and then telling them that the best place to get more info is e-cigarette-forum.com. In practice, attempting to redefine words in general use is pretty futile. So if someone asks me if thats one of those electric cigarettes, I'm going to smile and tell them yes and go back to reading my book.

 

[Warren D. Lockaby]

The problem with your argument is that if I call it a PV I then have to explain what it means. Frankly, sometimes I just want to read my book while I drink my coffee and vape with out stopping to give someone an extended education. Not to mention, I'd look pretty silly telling people not to call it an e-cig and then telling them that the best place to get more info is e-cigarette-forum.com. In practice, attempting to redefine words in general use is pretty futile. So if someone asks me if thats one of those electric cigarettes, I'm going to smile and tell them yes and go back to reading my book.

I see both sides of this as equally valid, and interesting food for thought. I've often referred to them myself as e-cigarettes even while knowing the truth of what sailorman is saying here, simply to shortcut past an explanation. I can't really justify doing that anymore, if I ever could.

As to the name of the e-cigarette-forum, I suppose that's sort of like the name of the organization, N.A.A.C.P. Spelled out, the name of that organization might be considered pretty archaic today, though the organization itself is anything but. In the latter case, the organization has defined its initialized name, and not the other way around.

So, maybe we need to be the EC/PVF? or something? Or does it really matter, as long as everyone's happily vaping?

 

[imsoenthused]

I don't think it really matters. There are a lot of people, under represented on these boards, who are not and won't ever be enthusiasts. Of course the language matters to us but I just think our perception might be a little subjective. Saying that we should call them PVs and use the word vaping isn't going to stop all the aunt Irenes and uncle Bobs in the world from "smoking their new electronic cigarette". I think thats a wall that is still going to be standing long after anyone gets tired of banging their head against it.

 

[sailorman]

The problem with your argument is that if I call it a PV I then have to explain what it means. Frankly, sometimes I just want to read my book while I drink my coffee and vape with out stopping to give someone an extended education. Not to mention, I'd look pretty silly telling people not to call it an e-cig and then telling them that the best place to get more info is e-cigarette-forum.com. In practice, attempting to redefine words in general use is pretty futile. So if someone asks me if thats one of those electric cigarettes, I'm going to smile and tell them yes and go back to reading my book.

Yep, but the problem with that is if you don't explain it, they'll walk away knowing only what the FDA goons, the prohibitionists and their allies in the media have told them. When the next politician wants to add e-cigs to whatever ban is placed on cigarettes, they'll have an ally in the guy who saw you "smoking" that thing in public.

Short answer to people who ask is "No, it's a vaporizer. It doesn't burn tobacco." At least they'll be better informed than when they asked.

We are not the ones re-defining words. The marketers made up that word to sell PVs and it's detrimental to everyone but them. We are under no obligation to adopt it and it needs to be nipped in the bud. PVs are in no way cigarettes. The PVs designed and sold to vaporize that other stuff aren't called e-joints or e-blunts. I'll guarantee that if they were, they'd be outlawed. There are the same number of syllables in e-cigarette as there are in vaporizer. Nobody hates vaporizers. Leave out the "personal" part. It's a vaporizer.

If someone asks if that's an electronic cigarette and you don't tell them it's a vaporizer, you aren't telling them anything at all. Might as well tell them it's a swizzle stick. If you don't want to explain, hand them a CASAA card with the explanation on the back so at least they'll know what an e-cig is. Or, if they ask if it's an electronic cigarette, tell them no. If they look doubtful and ask again, tell them it's not any kind of a cigarette, it's a vaporizer. At least then, they won't think you're producing smoke. When I want to blow off someone, I just tell them it's a medical device and that stops them cold. Nobody asks about a medical condition.

I can guarantee you that at least half of the public and a majority of non-professional anti-smoking zealots thinks an e-cig uses electricity to burn tobacco. They don't know anything more than what it's called. If you're satisfied to let people believe you're smoking an electronic cigarette, be prepared to be treated like a smoker.

Anyone who asks where to get more information isn't the problem. They won't be the ones who walk away believing you were "smoking" an electronic cigarette and polluting their air with your "smoke". Look what happened to "assault" rifles. Had they not been stigmatized with that undeserved name, there wouldn't, (for better or worse), have been so much support for a ban. Words are used to evoke emotions that result in consequences. Words are used to demonize. No good can be conveyed to anything called a cigarette.