So, my quit date has arrived. I'm a bit anxious. I need your help with suggestions.
This is probably going to be a lengthy post. Figure to gain the input I need it's best that I try to explain where I've been, what I've tried and what's going on now. Maybe it'll keep the responses relative. (Main questions are indented for easier reading.
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About four years ago? I tried the 'new devices' that were coming along. Blu, and a few others were sending starter kits. I ended up purchasing an 'off brand' for about 12 dollars. Just a battery, charger, 5 empty carts and some juice that tasted like my brand of smokes. It was novel, but way too annoying to fill the carts and they leaked. Then got two joytech 510 egos. They used a similar cartridge (or the same? I don't recall) again, the biggest problem was the leaking (in the case I carried the cartos in), not sure when it needed more juice and being told at Disneyland I couldn't utilize it. My mom (I was visiting her) said it stunk too. To be fair, it was kretek (clove/cinnamon mixed and it did sorta stink.)
So, after a month or so, they got put in a drawer and left. Fastforward to last year and two months. A roommate picked up a cartomizer and a pen 'ego'. I loved it, loved that it was a 'tank' setup and the flavors were crazy. He was into fruits and I liked that more. Even found a flavor that I by far preferred over my normal brand. So, I have to say, for me at least, it's better to get away from what I was 'used' to. In truth, tobacco is now distasteful to me. So, I was sold, cutting back lots of analogs and doing great for three months until I took a road trip. Great, a rental and ecigs was 'perfect'! But, I drove 300 miles to find a was highly dehydrated and had a sore throat. (This is also about the time I joined ECF) I cut the pg and believed that had tackled the problem. I also cut the nicotine way back which helped the throat problem. Then I purchased kangar tanks, they leaked like a sieve. As well my working non leaking tank broke (during cleaning) and the C4s about half of them were non working brand new. I couldn't find many VG only juices in my price range and once again, the ecigs took a back seat.
Fast forward to a few months ago, many smoker friends started with ecigs and were kicking the habit. My mom pestered me about it again. I had some money I'd saved up and it was the mid of tax season (I'm a tax preparer) so plunged again to get a VV mini lava (Seeing the suggestions of ECF) and an innokin i30 tank.
I was thrilled, the local B&M had a bunch of 100 vg juices and I set a quit date. No throat irritation (save for when I vape atomic cinnamon or jolly rancher apple) and I'm not into TH. Wasn't getting dehydrated, I thought I was good. I even went and purchased a provari and z-atty. By that time I'd burned through my i30 and was getting that ick factor going, so couldn't wait for the lack of burnt flavor with the gen tank. Had someone build the gen tank for me, since I didn't have the stuff to do it. Before I even got home from the purchase. It was a messed up build and the provari wouldn't go above 3.7 before E1 code would show. So, had it built again that night, and at least it would go to 4.0 or so. I also found a pg/vg I could handle without too much difficulty. (I have a juice that's perfect at 4.3) Since then (3 weeks ago) my z-atty is now 'clocking' at 1.6 (It had been 1.0 - 1.3 at build) and it's barely working half as well. It's 350 mesh with ecowool (ekowool?) and 32g kanthal. Is it just time for a new kanthal, or for a full rewicking already? I understood these once they settled were fairly trouble free. :/ I found a few pg/vg juices that I truly liked and took that plunge, but now have been having some difficulty and thinking I do have a sensitivity to the pg. !Bummer! So, I'm probably going to have to stick with very low pg, or none. I also tend to stay away from the nicotine for the throat ache/burn.
I really don't appreciate the huge open air draw of the z-atty and have a kraken coming. I do like the idea of the genesis addies. I've tried some RDA drips, but haven't had a lot of luck with them. Also the dripping is 'annoying'.
I looked at my 'habits' and when I do 'use' the analogs, to try to truly succeed this time. I purchased an eroll for the times I'm knitting/crocheting, driving, working etc. (The z-atty obviously is not good for travel). As well need stealth living in the stupid proactive San Diego area. :/ (rico helped me narrow down the worse areas... eeps!) I don't mind the loss of flavor and almost don't even notice it, if I haven't used my Provari that day.
In preparation to truly putting down the analogs, I took steps to try and insure I'd be good.
I purchased an innokin i30s, thinking they were glass. They weren't and it was wobbly, then it totally 'burnt' out. Fought with the seller. Btw, innokin was not helpful at all, telling me to go to my local b&m though I did finally got a refund for that. Purchased a wick for the original innokin, but for some reason it's not wicking (Literally the wicks are bright white and refusing to take up juice. Also that horrid silica burnt taste is all you really get from it.) So, that's got me bummed. Heard good things about the vortex RDA for the capability to semi use it as a drip that could hold more than just a few drops without flooding. But, I can't seem to get the build right on that at all. (Though also my eyes aren't the best... even though I have rewicked kangers with my old setup.)
My arsenal...
provari mini with extension cap.
6 18350s, single charger (my double trustfire blew yesterday, turns out a wire had gotten bared)
2 18490s
z-atty, innokin i30 (needs a new wick), innokin i30s (May be able to fix the wobble with a new wick?), 2 kangar pyrex tank, older fashion, vortex drip tip, without wires or silica/mesh/any wick at present. No name drip tip that is poorly made and hard to use.
eroll, 2 pccs, 4 90 mah batteries, tons of tanks.
juices:
25mg 100vg WTA for those times I crave nicotine.
a few 100 vg juices
a handfull of vg/pg mixtures. All juices at zero nicotine. If I need a bit of nic, I have one tank devoted to wta and sometimes mix it with a flavor half and half if needed and desired flavor. It's not about the taste at that point and we would bum icky tasting stuff because we didn't have our 'on brand' anyways right? Though I have found I don't usually miss the nicotine, it's more about the habit of holding and the 'feel' of smoking.
On the way, is a kraken tank, an 808d cause I love the 'small' form factor w/clearomizer. Can't recall if it's auto or manual, but I was fairly impressed by the g6 and the one drawback I have with the eroll is the cartridge fuss. Though, it is a great idea for when I'm out and about, and can be treated just like analogs. (Put six in a small pack, battery, tank and all. Got that idea from the threads, loved it and so decided to get the second pcc which was a good idea, I think mine was dying) Spare attys, then I can put my spare batteries for the eroll into use (have a few I purchased with the pcc spare) so will have 6, which for me is half a pack and about what I went through during outtings. A G6 generic alternative to hopefully give me an easy tank system for when my provari/z atty is being a pain, like it is right now.
So... I hate ejuice getting on my fingers, I find the whole thing somewhat frustrating. Everything was great initially, and that is one thing I like about the erolls, they are consistent. The provari was supposed to be consistent too, but the z-atty seems to have been troublesome within just 3 weeks. Granted, I have probably run 60ml of fluid through it. Maybe 90? Still seems really quick to need rewicking already I have cleaned it and dry burned it again. Is it potentially the ecowool?
I prefer no TH, so should I be looking into 500x500 stainless? Also, should I be building to target 2.0 ohms, or 1.5 or ? I said 1.4 to the last guy that built it and he got it close, but that was because I thought the lower ohms was lesser TH, I think I got that turned around and it's really the other way around. I know there are charts about all that, but I do get it all confused.
Also, I'm only getting like an hour and a half on new 350 batteries. (two hours on the IMR ones, even though they're used.) which seems to be so much faster than the old egos. I could go six to eight hours on those. I don't get that... :/
Future purchases already planned
Tekeo (sp?) extension to be able to use 18650 with the mini provari.
Decent, wicking tank, if I can get a good suggestion from you at ECF.
I like the 'tight' draw of the innokin. The eroll's draw is fine.
Again, I am looking for consistency... so, any suggestions to help reach that consistency would be wonderful!
I do not like Kangars. I have had too much trouble with leaking, bubbling and even my 'new' pyrex tanks had trouble just a few days after I put them into my rotation.
I am a tax preparer, so I'm on my last bit of money I have... thus, I'm now on a limited income, so please don't suggest another highly expensive tank like the z or even kraken. I'm feeling really really run thin with everything I've already purchased in the last month. But, I also REALLY want to make this work. :/
Any suggestions would be appreciated... thanks for the time to read and consider my situation.
Beth
This is probably going to be a lengthy post. Figure to gain the input I need it's best that I try to explain where I've been, what I've tried and what's going on now. Maybe it'll keep the responses relative. (Main questions are indented for easier reading.
)About four years ago? I tried the 'new devices' that were coming along. Blu, and a few others were sending starter kits. I ended up purchasing an 'off brand' for about 12 dollars. Just a battery, charger, 5 empty carts and some juice that tasted like my brand of smokes. It was novel, but way too annoying to fill the carts and they leaked. Then got two joytech 510 egos. They used a similar cartridge (or the same? I don't recall) again, the biggest problem was the leaking (in the case I carried the cartos in), not sure when it needed more juice and being told at Disneyland I couldn't utilize it. My mom (I was visiting her) said it stunk too. To be fair, it was kretek (clove/cinnamon mixed and it did sorta stink.)
So, after a month or so, they got put in a drawer and left. Fastforward to last year and two months. A roommate picked up a cartomizer and a pen 'ego'. I loved it, loved that it was a 'tank' setup and the flavors were crazy. He was into fruits and I liked that more. Even found a flavor that I by far preferred over my normal brand. So, I have to say, for me at least, it's better to get away from what I was 'used' to. In truth, tobacco is now distasteful to me. So, I was sold, cutting back lots of analogs and doing great for three months until I took a road trip. Great, a rental and ecigs was 'perfect'! But, I drove 300 miles to find a was highly dehydrated and had a sore throat. (This is also about the time I joined ECF) I cut the pg and believed that had tackled the problem. I also cut the nicotine way back which helped the throat problem. Then I purchased kangar tanks, they leaked like a sieve. As well my working non leaking tank broke (during cleaning) and the C4s about half of them were non working brand new. I couldn't find many VG only juices in my price range and once again, the ecigs took a back seat.
Fast forward to a few months ago, many smoker friends started with ecigs and were kicking the habit. My mom pestered me about it again. I had some money I'd saved up and it was the mid of tax season (I'm a tax preparer) so plunged again to get a VV mini lava (Seeing the suggestions of ECF) and an innokin i30 tank.
I was thrilled, the local B&M had a bunch of 100 vg juices and I set a quit date. No throat irritation (save for when I vape atomic cinnamon or jolly rancher apple) and I'm not into TH. Wasn't getting dehydrated, I thought I was good.
I even went and purchased a provari and z-atty. By that time I'd burned through my i30 and was getting that ick factor going, so couldn't wait for the lack of burnt flavor with the gen tank. Had someone build the gen tank for me, since I didn't have the stuff to do it. Before I even got home from the purchase. It was a messed up build and the provari wouldn't go above 3.7 before E1 code would show. So, had it built again that night, and at least it would go to 4.0 or so. I also found a pg/vg I could handle without too much difficulty. (I have a juice that's perfect at 4.3) Since then (3 weeks ago) my z-atty is now 'clocking' at 1.6 (It had been 1.0 - 1.3 at build) and it's barely working half as well. It's 350 mesh with ecowool (ekowool?) and 32g kanthal. Is it just time for a new kanthal, or for a full rewicking already? I understood these once they settled were fairly trouble free. :/ I found a few pg/vg juices that I truly liked and took that plunge, but now have been having some difficulty and thinking I do have a sensitivity to the pg. !Bummer! So, I'm probably going to have to stick with very low pg, or none. I also tend to stay away from the nicotine for the throat ache/burn.I really don't appreciate the huge open air draw of the z-atty and have a kraken coming. I do like the idea of the genesis addies. I've tried some RDA drips, but haven't had a lot of luck with them. Also the dripping is 'annoying'.
I looked at my 'habits' and when I do 'use' the analogs, to try to truly succeed this time. I purchased an eroll for the times I'm knitting/crocheting, driving, working etc. (The z-atty obviously is not good for travel). As well need stealth living in the stupid proactive San Diego area. :/ (rico helped me narrow down the worse areas... eeps!) I don't mind the loss of flavor and almost don't even notice it, if I haven't used my Provari that day.
In preparation to truly putting down the analogs, I took steps to try and insure I'd be good.
I purchased an innokin i30s, thinking they were glass. They weren't and it was wobbly, then it totally 'burnt' out. Fought with the seller. Btw, innokin was not helpful at all, telling me to go to my local b&m
though I did finally got a refund for that. Purchased a wick for the original innokin, but for some reason it's not wicking (Literally the wicks are bright white and refusing to take up juice. Also that horrid silica burnt taste is all you really get from it.) So, that's got me bummed. Heard good things about the vortex RDA for the capability to semi use it as a drip that could hold more than just a few drops without flooding. But, I can't seem to get the build right on that at all. (Though also my eyes aren't the best... even though I have rewicked kangers with my old setup.)My arsenal...
provari mini with extension cap.
6 18350s, single charger (my double trustfire blew yesterday, turns out a wire had gotten bared
)2 18490s
z-atty, innokin i30 (needs a new wick), innokin i30s (May be able to fix the wobble with a new wick?), 2 kangar pyrex tank, older fashion, vortex drip tip, without wires or silica/mesh/any wick at present. No name drip tip that is poorly made and hard to use.
eroll, 2 pccs, 4 90 mah batteries, tons of tanks.
juices:
25mg 100vg WTA for those times I crave nicotine.
a few 100 vg juices
a handfull of vg/pg mixtures. All juices at zero nicotine. If I need a bit of nic, I have one tank devoted to wta and sometimes mix it with a flavor half and half if needed and desired flavor. It's not about the taste at that point and we would bum icky tasting stuff because we didn't have our 'on brand' anyways right? Though I have found I don't usually miss the nicotine, it's more about the habit of holding and the 'feel' of smoking.
On the way, is a kraken tank, an 808d cause I love the 'small' form factor w/clearomizer. Can't recall if it's auto or manual, but I was fairly impressed by the g6 and the one drawback I have with the eroll is the cartridge fuss. Though, it is a great idea for when I'm out and about, and can be treated just like analogs. (Put six in a small pack, battery, tank and all. Got that idea from the threads, loved it and so decided to get the second pcc which was a good idea, I think mine was dying
) Spare attys, then I can put my spare batteries for the eroll into use (have a few I purchased with the pcc spare) so will have 6, which for me is half a pack and about what I went through during outtings. A G6 generic alternative to hopefully give me an easy tank system for when my provari/z atty is being a pain, like it is right now.So... I hate ejuice getting on my fingers, I find the whole thing somewhat frustrating. Everything was great initially, and that is one thing I like about the erolls, they are consistent. The provari was supposed to be consistent too, but the z-atty seems to have been troublesome within just 3 weeks.
Granted, I have probably run 60ml of fluid through it. Maybe 90? Still seems really quick to need rewicking already I have cleaned it and dry burned it again. Is it potentially the ecowool?I prefer no TH, so should I be looking into 500x500 stainless? Also, should I be building to target 2.0 ohms, or 1.5 or ? I said 1.4 to the last guy that built it and he got it close, but that was because I thought the lower ohms was lesser TH, I think I got that turned around and it's really the other way around. I know there are charts about all that, but I do get it all confused.
Also, I'm only getting like an hour and a half on new 350 batteries. (two hours on the IMR ones, even though they're used.) which seems to be so much faster than the old egos. I could go six to eight hours on those. I don't get that... :/
Future purchases already planned
Tekeo (sp?) extension to be able to use 18650 with the mini provari.
Decent, wicking tank, if I can get a good suggestion from you at ECF.
I like the 'tight' draw of the innokin. The eroll's draw is fine.
Again, I am looking for consistency... so, any suggestions to help reach that consistency would be wonderful!
I do not like Kangars. I have had too much trouble with leaking, bubbling and even my 'new' pyrex tanks had trouble just a few days after I put them into my rotation.
I need a good suggestion for a tank that is dependable. I've heard cartos steal flavor. Probably not as muted as the erolls, but I have no experience with them. (I've also ended up getting one to fully 'spill' while trying juices, so while I'm not against them... I'd like some more information.) Would I want single punch, double, triple? If I am punching them myself, does it matter where you punch them. What ohm would I want to conserve battery as well as reduce TH.
Fully open to wick systems, as long as they wick well. Was looking at the nautilus... don't need a large tank. 2ml to 3ml is fine, though don't think I'd mind the 4-6 ml tanks either. My provari is mainly for home use anyways.
Is it normal that at 1 ohm, the provari would cut out at 4? At 1.3 at 4.3 (I think I can go to 4.5 maybe without it erroring out.) What ohm should I build for? I am almost wondering if my provari is not performing as it should. :/
Fully open to wick systems, as long as they wick well. Was looking at the nautilus... don't need a large tank. 2ml to 3ml is fine, though don't think I'd mind the 4-6 ml tanks either. My provari is mainly for home use anyways.
Is it normal that at 1 ohm, the provari would cut out at 4? At 1.3 at 4.3 (I think I can go to 4.5 maybe without it erroring out.) What ohm should I build for? I am almost wondering if my provari is not performing as it should. :/
Why am I getting such short battery time? Is that usual? Is there a way to increase battery time? (I just don't get how the smaller batteries ran longer, I'm sure it's ohms, voltage used etc. Dual coils taking more energy etc.) This isn't all too important, cause I already am prepared to purchase two extensions to get it into a 18650. Also, if anyone has two for a mini they want to sell... lemme know (I haven't gotten my verified status, but I should be getting it soon. I'll even send payment first so you know it'll be paid for. That is, after the third. (My last paycheck from the tax season. :/ Until I find another job that is.))
Also, if anyone has two for a mini they want to sell... lemme know (I haven't gotten my verified status, but I should be getting it soon. I'll even send payment first so you know it'll be paid for. That is, after the third. (My last paycheck from the tax season. :/ Until I find another job that is.))I am a tax preparer, so I'm on my last bit of money I have... thus, I'm now on a limited income, so please don't suggest another highly expensive tank like the z or even kraken. I'm feeling really really run thin with everything I've already purchased in the last month. But, I also REALLY want to make this work. :/
Any suggestions would be appreciated... thanks for the time to read and consider my situation.
Beth
