Im worried, what will we all do if the FDA does ban e-cigs?

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MMAfighterNH

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what will we do? i luv e-cigs they helped me finally quit analogs. i tried every method and nothing worked but these did and now seems like its gonna happen you cant beat the goverment or the FDA!!!! will we still be able to buy overseas? or will they crackdown on shipping everything!!! ahhh this sux.....should i stock up for a years worth of stuff???



 

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I'm fairly new to vaping and I was so disappointed when I saw what is going on with the FDA. I decided to stock up but I also panic fairly easily, too. :D

The fact that we can buy prescription medications from overseas (without a prescription) makes me think we might still be able to get our vaping supplies if there is an all out ban.
 
Gonna be hard to get this genie back in the bottle. I suppose someone will find a way to market "personal vaporizers" not for use with nicotine like the bongs commonly sold for use with tobacco only. "Virgin" juices without nicotine will be available. Adding nicotine is not easy but not impossible. More likely scenario is that the right people (big pharma, big tobacco, the government) will find a way to regulate and cash in on something that in any objective analysis is certainly no more harmful than tobacco. I'm also new to vaping, loving it, and keeping my fingers crossed,not just for me but for the enterprising people whose business ventures deserve to succeed. A lot of lip service gets paid to the role of the small business owner in a growth economy, hate to see these all-too-familiar juggernauts smell a dollar and crash the party.
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I wouldn't count on the FDA and their owners finding a way to cash in on vaping just because it's inarguably as or less harmful than tobacco. They like to stick with their guns, and they've already got tobacco in their pocket. They have things on schedule 1 of the drug list that are LESS harmful than tobacco, things that have absolutely no known longterm medical side affects just for the reason that they don't want to go to the trouble of capitalizing on them and maybe losing revenue from their already booming legal intoxicant trade.

As to what we will do (I say "we" even though I haven't gotten my vape yet, but it will be soon :p)? The same as every other community of consumers which has been made illegal for the reasons of the personal finances and continued power of a few well-placed ........s. We'll adapt, and we'll go underground. For one, it will ALWAYS be possible to order the stuff from overseas even when it's completely illegal. You can right this minute order anything from ....... to cannabis seeds off the internet without too much trouble or too much worry of interception. Mail simply IS NOT checked except on a spotty basis. Even when it is checked, it is ridiculously easy to hide things that come in small quantities - you might have to punch a hole in the false bottom of the container your nic-juice came in to drain it into a dripper bottle, but you'll always be able to order the stuff in the mail and even the crazy overreaching federal gov't can't ban the equipment to do these things, they couldn't possibly manage to ban all the consumeables one might legitimately want to vaporize.

Oh, and it's not too hard to extract nicotine. I know everyone says it is, but it's no harder than what a bunch of ....-heads are doing out in the boonies, and I think most of you guys are smarter than ....-heads :D If worse comes to worse you can always make your own liquid, or even just get a larger vaporizer and vaporize straight tobacco at the correct temp for the same effect. Don't worry, the gov't is great at making idiotic laws through the auspices of public paranoia. They're absolutely terrible about enforcing them however.

Oh and to the original poster's comment about you can't beat the government; oh yes we can :D If you want to get back to raw numbers, there is a lot more firepower and ordnance in the hands of the American people than the American military and if it came to a revolution giant chunks of the military would side with the people anyway, assuming their cause was good enough. All it takes is for the gov't to go so ridiculously overboard, to get so blatantly self-serving and non-representative that the population is mobilized. They're doing their best to reduce the firepower of the populace for just that reason, but to disarm us completely would be just the kind of trigger needed to incite open and widespread rebellion. So for now we very much can fight the government if they ever go too far. That's the best part about America, it's a self-correcting system :p
 

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what will we do? i luv e-cigs they helped me finally quit analogs. i tried every method and nothing worked but these did and now seems like its gonna happen you cant beat the goverment or the FDA!!!! will we still be able to buy overseas? or will they crackdown on shipping everything!!! ahhh this sux.....should i stock up for a years worth of stuff???




I honestly believe that a government imposed :nah:e-cig ban would result in one of the biggest black market movements in this country since prohibition.:cool:
 

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I'm out of the country indefinitely so I only have to worry if the ban starts going global. For now I just stock up and suggest to my friends and family in the states to do the same. If you stock up enough you should be set for a good year and a half. If a ban rolls out that's plenty of time to figure out how to get your supplies and juice by "other means".
 
Realistically I think they will have trouble banning it, for a start define nicotine cigarette?
It consists of several components all of which are legal to buy seperately :)

Good luck with the ban FDA!! :lol:

Maybe they should write a book such as "How to prove you are an idiot"!!

I am pretty dammed sure I could sell every component of a ecigarette seperately by describing it as something else :lol::lol::lol:

Remember those FDA people as supposed to be clever scientists I am pretty sure I can make them look what the are - a laughing stock!! :lol::lol::lol:

Basicaly those guys are gonna come out of it real bad, in a way I hope they do ban them, cos then the fun would start!!

It wil make the govenrment look real bad too.
 
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If the government outlaws e-cigs, then I will become an outlaw. They can have my 510 when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands!

Darnit Angus, I wanted to say that!

In case of ban stockup.

Obtain mods that use standard li-ion batts so you only need to stock up on atomizers and juice. Big focus on attys. Push comes to shove I'm sure I'll find some way to get some kind of nic juice. As it is I'm doing as many others are and trying to wean myself either off nic or at least down to lower levels.

Not paranoid, just being prepared
 

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Buy a good heavy duty battery mod like the Chuck (getting mine at the end of the month) and stock up on a ton of attys. As long as you have a boatload of attys, you will never have to worry about a ban. You can always stuff your own carts and even make your own nic juice.

Then you can give the FDA the finger every day while you blow big clouds of vapor into the wind.
 

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I'm fairly new to vaping and I was so disappointed when I saw what is going on with the FDA. I decided to stock up but I also panic fairly easily, too. :D

The fact that we can buy prescription medications from overseas (without a prescription) makes me think we might still be able to get our vaping supplies if there is an all out ban.


Wait wait wait.. we can do that????? that would be suuper:)
 
Yesterday I heard a commercial for Smoke Assassin or something of that nature that actually is making the claim that it's e cig is a smoking cessation device... This concerns me exactly for the reason that it gives the FDA more fire power and may help to lead to said ban...As for supplies, as long as they make them somewhere, you'll be able to get them online... my ex used to buy absinthe overseas before I became legal to sell again in the states and never had a problem...;-)
 

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It's been tough since the ban, my life revolves around getting my next vape.
I used to be able to buy PG and VG freely in almost any store, now it is like buying Sudefed, you have to show your license. I've hit every store in and out the county so far, and I've been lucky they haven't caught up to me yet. I've managed to be able to get the VG fairly easily as I used the excuse that I'm in the baking and catering business which makes that a little easier, but if the feds ever decide to check up on me and they see that the business doesn't exist I'll be in a world of hurt.

Batteries and atty's are a whole other story though, they can only be found black market and the cost is unbelievable. My wife is ready to leave me as I've sold everything that's not tied down in order to get a fresh supply of batteries and atty's.

The raids on tobacco fields has dropped off a bit since they've called in the National Guard to patrol them and keep people out so they don't steal the plants to extract the nicotine. I'm lucky in that aspect to as I have several tobacco plants growing in the house hydroponically and I extract my own nicotine. I have to be careful though as the sentence for tobacco cultivation with out a federal license is harsh. I even stopped inviting friends over to the house in fear they might turn me in.
Some of the black market nicotine is unreliable as there are those who extract it from pepper plants and tomatoes so its not as pure or as strong.

It's been several months since I could get filler for my carts so now I can only drip. Even the Pyramid Tea Bags have changed what their made of so they can no longer be used as cart fillers.

I only vape in the basement now, I am afraid to take the chance that one of my neighbors may see the glow of my LED.

Oh how I miss the days when I could buy PV's, juice, and other accessories either locally or over the Internet. Where I used to proudly vape in public, now Ive been pushed into the shadows like some common criminal constantly looking over my shoulder in fear.

I think I hear something outside....wait....it's the door.....it's being broken down......

It's the Feds, they found me....

Oh my God....they've come for me

AHHHHHHHHHH!
 

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If, and I mean a great BIG if, anything were to happen it would blow some way or another to allow us juice. If anything, they can only regulate the potency of the nicotine. PG is an allowable part of analogs and I don't think there is any regulation on how much nicotine is in any of them. Heck, they dang sure do not count how much it is boosted by ammonia.

I am going to focus on juice as the parts should be readily available due to the fact they cannot be proven to only be a device used in the consumption of nicotine. Just like other interesting items you can find in your local tobacco shops. It may be that people in outlying areas (I live in Seattle and our neighborhood grocery pharmacy ordered me a pint of PG the other day) will have to go mail order but I honestly think it would be only nic juice. And that is a great BIG if.

The real problem would lay with the fact the big tobacco (I grew up in NC) is in the gov/FDA pockets DEEP. They are just PO'd that they didn't do it first.
 
Some of the black market nicotine is unreliable as there are those who extract it from pepper plants and tomatoes so its not as pure or as strong.


Time to start stocking up on tomatoes before the ban kicks in!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

"Those ain't tomatoes officier, I just like hanging red apples from my marijuana plants" :lol::lol:
 

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Honestly, i don't know what to do. I'm a poor college student without the means to stock up, so with an all-out ban i could be effectively screwed.

I've thought about getting one of the models that looks like a cigarette so i can "stealth vape" in my car while driving (and i keep thinking how sad it is that i'll have to pretend to be doing something extremely dangerous so i don't get pulled over). But even then, if i find it difficult to get supplies then what good would that do?

What it really comes down to is the fact that i am in the worst position to quit or even cut back on nicotine, i simply will not be able to (medical issues with quitting). So what do i do?

Unfortunately i will start smoking again, that's a guarantee. I will try keep it to a minimum by using any nicotine product on the market that works, but since NRT's are so underdosed i will be smoking at the same time :(

Even so, i will not stop fighting! I'll still be here in the forums, campaigning and helping everyone try to make it legal again. And i am certain it will not remain illegal forever! Some big whigs are gonna wanna cash in on this as its own NRT, and it will be available again someday, in some form. It will NOT be illegal forever!

No matter what happens, i am not losing hope :)
 

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If they take away our Vaporizers, next it'll be our baking supplies. What'll we do without cakes, especially with all our birthdays coming up? Geez....what'll our cruel government think of next?

On a more serious note, isn't it sad that the people called the FDA don't give two hoots about the health of the population, or they'd have banned tobacco long ago. And alcohol? Too many drunks in Congress to worry about that kind of ban.
 

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Not that I condone the FDA in any shape or form and in fact think it's an atrocity on one of the largest scales that they're going after our PVs, the government has banned alcohol before with terrible results. And the FDA in particular has attempted in the past to ban cigarettes and was promptly told to F' off due to some legislation that prevented them from having the authority to make such a ban.

If they do ban e-cigs though we'll have to start setting up speakeasys ;)

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Seriously though, banning the eCig would be perhaps the worst possible thing the FDA could do as far as 'protecting' the consumer. Merchants are already doing a pretty good job of quality control - could they do better, perhaps, but all of that quality control is going to go right out the window if a ban is in effect.
 
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Not that I condone the FDA in any shape or form and in fact think it's an atrocity on one of the largest scales that they're going after our PVs, the government has banned alcohol before with terrible results. And the FDA in particular has attempted in the past to ban cigarettes and was promptly told to F' off due to some legislation that prevented them from having the authority to make such a ban.

True, past attempts at prohibition of both alcohol and tobacco failed miserably, but part of the reason is because of the sheer AMOUNT of people that were p***** off! Unfortunately, in our current situation with most of the american public not even knowing that pv's exist, we are a very small minority whose rights could be easily violated with no one even batting an eye.

Dragonpuff, as long as there are snus available for sale, you will never have to do without nic juice. You can make your own.

Just stock up on attys and get a good battery mod, and you will be good to go.

I want to, i really do, but i'm effectively broke, and that's the norm for me. I can't afford one of the battery mods, and the thought of stocking up on attys when they're $8 a pop seems like a pipe dream :(. As it stands right now, everything i physically have has to last me at least a few weeks.

I will try to stock up little by little over time, but i just don't know if i'll have enough time.
 
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