If the FDA ban e-liquid, Will you vape Organic Insecticide??
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How many mgs in the Raid man?
I'm not sure, but I bet there's a few guys out on the street corner that could tell me.
sigh..
Glad i just got to the whole vaping scene 3 weeks ago, just in time to quit smoking, but worry about not being able to enjoy my e ciggies anymore... All the fascism thoughts concerning our govt...aside... I am so frustrated with our country regarding vaping though and the latest developments.... i mean,,,, cmon... for ****'s sake. This has the potential to positively impact our entire health care funding and the impact tobacco makes,,,, but all they see is the money lost on taxing it.... just makes me sick.
i haven't smoked an analog in 3 weeks thanks to e-cigs, and now, the govt wants to take it away and make me go back to killing myself slowly.. I just don't get it anymore...
If it came down to it, i would try to find a source of nicotine, PG and flavoring and making my own. hell, if i had to extract it from nicorette i'd do it,, i love these things too much, and to be free of smoke... I will find a way and if i do, i will let you all know (i'm a pretty savvy guy, chemist background)....... I can order nicotine from somewhere like sigma,, but,,, i don't know if that's a feasible route.....
Glad i just got to the whole vaping scene 3 weeks ago, just in time to quit smoking, but worry about not being able to enjoy my e ciggies anymore... All the fascism thoughts concerning our govt...aside... I am so frustrated with our country regarding vaping though and the latest developments.... i mean,,,, cmon... for ****'s sake. This has the potential to positively impact our entire health care funding and the impact tobacco makes,,,, but all they see is the money lost on taxing it.... just makes me sick.
i haven't smoked an analog in 3 weeks thanks to e-cigs, and now, the govt wants to take it away and make me go back to killing myself slowly.. I just don't get it anymore...
If it came down to it, i would try to find a source of nicotine, PG and flavoring and making my own. hell, if i had to extract it from nicorette i'd do it,, i love these things too much, and to be free of smoke... I will find a way and if i do, i will let you all know (i'm a pretty savvy guy, chemist background)....... I can order nicotine from somewhere like sigma,, but,,, i don't know if that's a feasible route.....
LOL, I like the idea
ok, so No Ban for Organic Insecticide!!!
mmmmmmmm........thinking .... thinking
I'll make my own non nic vape juice and slap on a ... patch or suck on a nicotine lozenge, but I will vape. LOL
The problem is that they'd be cracking down on the hardware too... Pretty hard to vape insecticide with no atomizer.
So far though, my "Aromatherapy" Oil from Eastmall is doing me just fine, so yeah, I'd probably smoke some insect killer too.
So far though, my "Aromatherapy" Oil from Eastmall is doing me just fine, so yeah, I'd probably smoke some insect killer too.
Well, you can buy a "Car's Mini Aromatherapy" gadget! It happen to work very very close to a e-cig
I would think that the nicotine content in the 36mg bottles would not be a feasible concentration for insecticide purposes, so they may already know that would be ineffective, and therefore question it's true intent. I suppose you can get a higher concentration and cut it yourself. But you'd probably also have to buy a craapload of it as well, if its indeed a trustworthy liquid to begin with.
hehe, i was already thinking along these lines so I love this thread.
oops, just tried to light my e-cig... DOH. Anywho, if you can sell a .... in a head shop for "tobacco use" when everyone knows what it is for OR sell Salvia as "incense" when it's the most halucinegenic substance since ... I can't see why a personal vaporizer sold with a vitamin vape fluid couldn't be won in court.
As far as trust goes, if it gets bad and I see "Totally Wickeds Organic Insect Deterent" (hehe answers the not strong enough issue) i'm buying it
It could include a warning like:
"Not to be used in personal vaporizers as that would violate the law and the intent of this product. Precautions: if ACCIDENTLY dropped on a heat source and the fumes are ACCIDENTLY inhaled there are no known side effects besides nicotine addiction satisfaction".
oops, just tried to light my e-cig... DOH. Anywho, if you can sell a .... in a head shop for "tobacco use" when everyone knows what it is for OR sell Salvia as "incense" when it's the most halucinegenic substance since ... I can't see why a personal vaporizer sold with a vitamin vape fluid couldn't be won in court.
As far as trust goes, if it gets bad and I see "Totally Wickeds Organic Insect Deterent" (hehe answers the not strong enough issue) i'm buying it
It could include a warning like:
"Not to be used in personal vaporizers as that would violate the law and the intent of this product. Precautions: if ACCIDENTLY dropped on a heat source and the fumes are ACCIDENTLY inhaled there are no known side effects besides nicotine addiction satisfaction".
I plan on vaping 0mg nic within weeks anyways... dont really matter, cant ban something that doesnt have nic in it
When it comes to "Insecticides", they allow the use of carcinogenic, poisonous, toxic, and volatile chemicals for processing. (They can also be present in the finished product.)
This becomes the issue of manufacturing...
Why would you not just use tobacco extract yourself? Even if you didn't remove all the other junk, you are still not burning it. (NOTE: It only takes 1/10 of a cigarette to make a cigarettes worth of nicotine juice. One pack makes two cartons worth of nicotine juice. Based off 20mg per actual cig, and 2mg intake per actual cig.)
Even if the FDA regulated nicotine directly... It would still be available as "Food grade", as "Food grade", is essentially anything that can be consumed. (Not that it is healthy or good or contaminant free. It just has to have levels of contamination that the FDA finds allowable. Such as a carton of orange-juice can have 20 fly-eggs and up to 2 maggots present, and that is FDA approved for consumable food, or "Food safe" production.)
The only real grade of production that is worthy of this level of manufacture, is "Pharmaceutical grade", and possibly as it is now, using "Food grade" as a second best choice. (If it is not allowed inside a human, it is some other grade. No grade just means that the manufacture has not submitted it for a grade. It could be food-grade or pharmaceutical-grade, or better, or worse. You won't know until you test it, and compare it to one of the grades.)
Final note...
It is not possible to safely extract pure nicotine at home. Tobacco-juice, or nicotine-sludge, is not pure, and will contain many harmful chemicals. It would not be wise to invest in trial and error, when playing with unknown volumes of poisons that you can not measure or confirm as pure.
This world is heading for a big change... I'll be living on the moon, watching from a distance... because that is where I am sending my ashes...
This becomes the issue of manufacturing...
Why would you not just use tobacco extract yourself? Even if you didn't remove all the other junk, you are still not burning it. (NOTE: It only takes 1/10 of a cigarette to make a cigarettes worth of nicotine juice. One pack makes two cartons worth of nicotine juice. Based off 20mg per actual cig, and 2mg intake per actual cig.)
Even if the FDA regulated nicotine directly... It would still be available as "Food grade", as "Food grade", is essentially anything that can be consumed. (Not that it is healthy or good or contaminant free. It just has to have levels of contamination that the FDA finds allowable. Such as a carton of orange-juice can have 20 fly-eggs and up to 2 maggots present, and that is FDA approved for consumable food, or "Food safe" production.)
The only real grade of production that is worthy of this level of manufacture, is "Pharmaceutical grade", and possibly as it is now, using "Food grade" as a second best choice. (If it is not allowed inside a human, it is some other grade. No grade just means that the manufacture has not submitted it for a grade. It could be food-grade or pharmaceutical-grade, or better, or worse. You won't know until you test it, and compare it to one of the grades.)
Final note...
It is not possible to safely extract pure nicotine at home. Tobacco-juice, or nicotine-sludge, is not pure, and will contain many harmful chemicals. It would not be wise to invest in trial and error, when playing with unknown volumes of poisons that you can not measure or confirm as pure.
This world is heading for a big change... I'll be living on the moon, watching from a distance... because that is where I am sending my ashes...
I really think that the medical and tobacco communities will jump on this eventually and when they do- once they see their share of the $ they can make- it will be a common thing. I think the vaporizer alone is worth the medical communitys attention- my son could go camping in the spring if he had a portable neb/ vaporizer to get him abuterol if he needed it. Its genius. Yes, that was boring for you, Im sure.
I really hope that if they do ban it, 'nic houses' don't start popping up everywhere. I read how to make it, very interesting, but super stupid to try.
I really hope that if they do ban it, 'nic houses' don't start popping up everywhere. I read how to make it, very interesting, but super stupid to try.
Vaporizers for herbs are legial, so these will have to be sold as herb vaporisers. E-liquid is a problem but not impossible. My tobacco plants have sprouted and I will plant them in my yard. Clean tobacco is a must for anything we do. Cigarettes(commercial tobacca) are so contaminated that we don't know what is causing cancer (common sense).
Buring may be the only problem with clean tobacco and it can vaporised used in one of those herb vaporizers. This is a better solution than going back to buring cigarettes, not perfect, but less harmful in my opinon. Feel free to disagree..
Buring may be the only problem with clean tobacco and it can vaporised used in one of those herb vaporizers. This is a better solution than going back to buring cigarettes, not perfect, but less harmful in my opinon. Feel free to disagree..
I'd go get a Volcano or other "herbal" vaporizer if we can't have our little personal vaporizers/niqliquid. I'm with you Taz. I'd try growing it. US commerical tobacco is purely evil. Point is it TORKS me to give Big Tobaccco and my greedy State a single cent after I'll I've paid them thus far.
If China markets "organic insecticide" I'm there... especially if there is a coupon code, LOL.
If China markets "organic insecticide" I'm there... especially if there is a coupon code, LOL.
If Colombia or Costa Rica makes "Organic Insecticide" ? lest say with a 4% nicotine concentration and certified that it is made with PG, VG and distiled water. No flavor and no aroma. Plus a detail description of how to dilute it in order to obtain lesser concentrations?
Note: I am not saying I am going to produce it.
But why people keep thinking that only China produce Nicotine? In fact you can find a lot of sources of pure nicotine in a lot of countries. I though also that it was harder to find, but no, it is not that hard. Yes, there is some controls about it, but also those are not too difficult to fulfill. Maybe as a common person is difficult, but as a company, is not that hard.
Note: I am not saying I am going to produce it.
But why people keep thinking that only China produce Nicotine? In fact you can find a lot of sources of pure nicotine in a lot of countries. I though also that it was harder to find, but no, it is not that hard. Yes, there is some controls about it, but also those are not too difficult to fulfill. Maybe as a common person is difficult, but as a company, is not that hard.
US companys make pure nicotine but they won't sell us any. Have to have a business or university with all the proper paper work. I can cook a 7 course meal without making a mess or getting it all over me, moving nic from one bottle to an other should not be to hard with proper equipment and safe work area. The equipment is not high tech either.
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