IMO ONLY - Non-smokers that vape or are thinking of vaping ;/

[SissySpike]

Its not the same as Smoking Its not as easily as accessible Its more expensive to get started If some kids just want to play around whats better cigarettes or disposable I do think the tide will turn and at some point vaping will replace cigarettes not so much Cigars and pipe smokers as they aren't the same as cigs.
So if I understand this correctly you have to first be hooked on cigarettes to be a vapor? If not you should never vape right?
So we are saying this is not bad for you if you smoked but if you don't your an idiot right?
Do you see where Im going you basically saying you were a lost cause so it doesn't matter. This kind of reasoning will never fly ether vaping is a safe nicotine delivery system or it isn't. I don't think we can have it both ways. We have to think as long as their are cigarettes people will smoke them and the same for vaping.
I don't think we can can hide our head in the sand and say non smokers should never vape. I think we could say new Vapors would of been new smokers with out vaping available. So no matter how you look at it its safer all around.

 

[DC2]

I suppose we've given up on the "Nicotine isn't harmful" approach? 'cuz cowing to ...... is not a good way to live.

I don't think I've seen anyone give up on that approach, and I sure hope they haven't.
And don't mistake my providing information for being in agreement with the information provided.

People need to know the reality of what is happening if they intend to fight it.
And they need to understand all the ramifications before they can make informed decisions on how to proceed.

I wouldn't tell anyone what they should do.
But I would make sure they have all the information needed to make an informed decision.

So don't shoot the messenger.
Especially when the messenger disagrees with the message.

 

[steffanan]

I'm the person on here who isn't a smoker but I have an ecig, and I have partly respiked this, yet, I hate using the argument that its ok to be addicted to nicotine, because as a person who doesn't have any addictions, I would hate to ever get one, so I won't ever use nicotine, and I don't think anyone should start even if its not bad. I would hate to have to vape, I love it just being a fun hobby.

 

[Pleidius]

sorry if this was covered, but I have heard of folks being encouraged, by their doctors, to take up vaping (0 nic) as part of a weight loss program. The idea, I guess, is to give them something that tastes sweet and keep their hands busy.

 

[317Vapers]

I agree but I'm glad I found vaping feels good to be off ciggs for 4 days now and not even missing them

 

[mostapha]

I'm the person on here who isn't a smoker but I have an ecig, and I have partly respiked this, yet, I hate using the argument that its ok to be addicted to nicotine, because as a person who doesn't have any addictions, I would hate to ever get one, so I won't ever use nicotine, and I don't think anyone should start even if its not bad. I would hate to have to vape, I love it just being a fun hobby.

Enh. Nicotine itself is no more harmful than caffeine based on any information I can find. And it has more reported health benefits. And no one would warn people against starting to drink a cup of coffee in the morning or tea in the afternoon……except xXx people that have all but fallen by the wayside, a few small religious organizations, and weirdos.

As far as vices go, nicotine itself isn't a bad one.

(note: xXx = Straight Edge)

 

[steffanan]

I mean I guess its not bad, but I'm just saying it would suck to become addicted to something and be a slave to it a little bit, where you have to have your vaping stuff along always, and you get urges for it. I don't wish that on anyone even if its healthy. I guess you guys might be really use to it, but this thread is about people like me, who aren't addicted to it. Plus, why not just use 0 mg if you are a non smoker? Why are we even talking about nicotine, non smoking people who vape like me don't even have any reason to use nicotine

 

[redddog]

I'm a reformed smoker for the last 8 yrs or so. No nicotine addiction.

I actually decided to go with a low dose of Nic because of the benefits. I have a ton of Alzheimers and Parkinsons in my family. And I find it soothing. I could have gone with 0mg and I even tried it but ultimately went with 6 mgs.

I vape about 3/4 mls a day or so. I've been told that's the equivalent amount of Nic to 1 ultra light cig a day - without any of the crap in that ultra light.

I might be the only person in the world who may be vaping for medicinal purposes (and I am completely open to anyone's suggestion that I have my head up my ... with this justification). But I am also vaping to avoid starting back with the analogs. Crazy bad stuff going on with us and I almost certainly would be smoking again if I didn't find the vape.

I'm not worried about Nic. I just don't want to find out in 2 years that vaping VG, PG or flavorings will cause your schwantz to fall off and you will grow a third nipple on your forhead.

 

[drsocal]

I agree with you 98% on this one... The 2% is a freedom of choice issue, also there are some non smokers who still smoke hookah... Even though vaping and hookah are two different things, I can see were a non smoker might want to vape on some caramel ,cinnamon, waffle blah blah for the experience.

 

[iKN0WaGH0ST]

My roommate is a nonsmoker, and sometimes when he is near me and smells it he asks to try it. I don't let him though.

 

[DC2]

I might be the only person in the world who may be vaping for medicinal purposes (and I am completely open to anyone's suggestion that I have my head up my ... with this justification).

If I were you I would do the same.


In fact, I pretty much am doing the same.
I am using 12mg strength nicotine and I intend to keep it that way.

But I am not addicted to nicotine, and don't have to use it if I don't want to.

I recently went two days without vaping and I didn't miss it one bit.
And I generally don't even take my first vape until late in the afternoon.


Also, there is at least one guy who started vaping to help treat ulcerative colitis.
And I think there are a number of other people that started vaping for other medical reasons.

I remember one guy who said he kept forgetting to vape and he had to keep reminding himself.

 

[mostapha]

I mean I guess its not bad, but I'm just saying it would suck to become addicted to something and be a slave to it a little bit, where you have to have your vaping stuff along always, and you get urges for it. I don't wish that on anyone even if its healthy. I guess you guys might be really use to it, but this thread is about people like me, who aren't addicted to it. Plus, why not just use 0 mg if you are a non smoker? Why are we even talking about nicotine, non smoking people who vape like me don't even have any reason to use nicotine

Why use an addictive drug? The same reason people use any other drug: they want something from it.

The whole world looks at "I'm a wreck before I have my morning coffee" as a joke, but it's no different. There is no medical reason I can find that the world accepts voluntary caffeine addictions but not voluntary nicotine addictions now that nicotine is probably much safer than cigarettes.

 

[steffanan]

Why use an addictive drug? The same reason people use any other drug: they want something from it.

The whole world looks at "I'm a wreck before I have my morning coffee" as a joke, but it's no different. There is no medical reason I can find that the world accepts voluntary caffeine addictions but not voluntary nicotine addictions now that nicotine is probably much safer than cigarettes.

yes! That's true if you have had coffee! I'm saying I have never used nicotine in my life, and for others like me, there is no reason to start! My point is, why should a non smoking vaper even worry about nicotine? All that's going to happen is they will get addicted and from there on, want it.

 

[mostapha]

It has behavioral effects that many like. Just like every other drug.

Why start drinking coffee?
Why drink alcohol?
Why eat candy?

 

[redddog]

Good point, mostapha.

It's the ol' stigma of smoking rearing it's head again. I can vape for a week like a banshee and it will do less harm than a trip to McDonalds. But no one's gonna call you out for the McDonalds.

Iunderstand the whole addiction argument, but coffee can be addicting too and that won't give anyone pause to go grab another cup in the morning.

 

[steffanan]

It has behavioral effects that many like. Just like every other drug.

Why start drinking coffee?
Why drink alcohol?
Why eat candy?

drink coffee cause it tastes good, I don't drink, eat Candy cause it tastes good. Vape because it tastes good. Add nicotine because.... um....... I'm not sure. With no nicotine addiction, there is no reason to add it is there?

 

[DC2]

Nicotine Effects

Nicotine Benefits

Nicotine is being considered as a therapeutic agent to treat such conditions as attention deficit disorder, Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinson's Disease, Tourette syndrome, sleep apnea, obesity, ulcerative colitis, and inflammatory skin disorders. [1]
Nicotine has the following benefits:

Relieves depression [2]
Reduces anxiety [3]
Improves ability to concentrate and long term memory [4]
Protects against developing high blood pressure [5, 6]
Protects against weight gain [7]
Protects against developing Parkinson's Disease [8]

 

[steffanan]

So we are really at the point where we are deciding that its better to be addicted.. For health reasons? This has gone so far from what this started being about. Nicotine also restricts blood vessels, but I don't even want to get into us debating about if its really better to have a nicotine addiction, I just want to get someone on my side that its not a problem for people to just vape 0 nic like I do. The op thought it was a problem and we slowly turned this thing upside down

 

[DC2]

So we are really at the point where we are deciding that its better to be addicted.. For health reasons?

If you're taking to me, I was just answering a question.
I wasn't giving an opinion.


Although for me, the answer is yes.
I use nicotine for health reasons, and I'm not even addicted to it.

But I wouldn't suggest, recommend, or tell anybody that they should do what I do.

 

[JENerationX]

So we are really at the point where we are deciding that its better to be addicted.. For health reasons? This has gone so far from what this started being about. Nicotine also restricts blood vessels, but I don't even want to get into us debating about if its really better to have a nicotine addiction, I just want to get someone on my side that its not a problem for people to just vape 0 nic like I do. The op thought it was a problem and we slowly turned this thing upside down

Sure we are. Doctors prescribe a lot of things that are addictive for health reasons. How is deciding to take nicotine for cognitive reasons or ulcerative colitis any different than deciding to take oxycodone for pain or SSRIs for depression or anxiety?