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Just working off those examples
Nicotine's side-effects and risks are also a lot more manageable.
Take too much nicotine, and you feel sick. It takes a lot of nicotine to kill a person (30-60mg at once much higher than you'd get from 18 or 24mg/ml juice, even vaping 8ml/day when you take bio-availability and speed of consumption vs. elimination into consideration). Also, people tend not to up their nicotine dose to chase the "high" they get from it. The "body high" that new users often feel goes away, and people maintain the same dose.
People who slip into (or intentionally start) recreational use of oxycodone (or other opiates) tend to chase that high (habituating to the drug) constantly upping their dose and getting to a point where the dose it takes to get any effect at all is dangerously close to the dose it takes to send you into respiratory depression/failure.
The side effects of SSRIs are manageable and not terribly common, but if you're ever experienced that kind of "gastrointestinal distress" going on and off them, or anorgasmia you know they can really suck. Plus, again, the "mild overdose" of nicotine will lead you to stop taking it. The overdose symptoms of SSRIs can include seizures, convulsions, and death.
Both Opiates and SSRIs also can have serious drug interactions that increase the chances of something catastrophic happening. Nicotine is not without its risks, but in some ways it's a lot safer than some medications people are fine with.
Now I'm not telling anyone to give up drugs that have been prescribed for them. Your doctor would know your case better than some guy on the internet. But in the grand scheme of things, Nicotine itself isn't particularly dangerous or harmful, as far as I can tell.
Comparing it to Alcohol and other things we're not allowed to talk about on ECF would be more appropriate. I know that people chant the "tobacco harm reduction" thing all day long, and it might be the best course of action depending on where potential legislation goes but even if you think about it purely in terms of being a legal avenue to use a recreational drug I fail to see the harm.
If I hadfor examplea 17-year-old daughter going to visit a college campus, I'd much rather hear about her trying out vaping as opposed to drinking.
And if you are in it just for the flavors cool vape your 0mg juice all day. Be happy. Enjoy it. No one is forcing you to do otherwise. But to pass judgement on people who choose to use it is at least as wrong as people passing judgement on your for enjoying the flavors.
No, I haven't ever said anyone is wrong for using it, look all the way back to the beginning of this. I simply think its dumb to start vaping with nicotine out of the blue, when you can just do it on 0 nic like I do. If you already have a thing for nicotine that's fine, that's the point of ecigs. Also, its a special case to have it prescribed, so I'm not talking about that
I want to make one thing clear it is fine that you vape 0 nic and for the flavor. There's no reason for you to feel like your doing anything wrong because we are adults here and we make are own decisions. As long as those decisions aren't effecting or hurting anyone, we good
. I doubt you feel that but I wanted to reassure that fact. I also want to say that even though I don't condone it as a normal practice and may disagree, who am I or are we to judge really. I'm actually glad you joined the discussion
Thank you Sir! And yeah I don't know what happened to this thread, but consider it jacked and murdered lol
ok ill jump in, i vape and have never smoke cigs. i smoke a cigar a couple times, and hooka. but i treat my vape the same. i only vape at night chilling with friends. at a bbq bonfire. things like that. but i use nigotine free liquid. only if someone give me some for free it most likley has nicotine. but i still use it. and i dont really feel. anything much. is vaping the healthyist thing for me. no but hey theres worse.
I'm seeing more and more hooka users posting around here these days.
So it looks like we have an increase in hooka users coming over to the vaping side.
That should really liven up the debate.
So it looks like we have an increase in hooka users coming over to the vaping side.
That should really liven up the debate.
I don't even know what hookah is or how it works. I just know that my cigar friends frown upon it cause its got added flavors and stuff haha
Actually, That is not 100% true, Smoking isn't illegal everywhere for minors, Buying cigs is.
And I think that if there is some 16 year old who is addicted to cigs and wants to quit he should have the RIGHT to buy E-Cigs.
Though I agree persons that DON'T smoke shouldn't even use E-Cigs.
If e cigs existed when I started smoking I would have 1-Drooled over the technology 2-Bought one immediately.
Now my lungs are messed up because of my old habit.
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Well, in California...a minor cannot possess a tobacco product.
California Penal Code Section 308.(b)
Illegal for anyone under 18 years old to purchase, receive, or possess any tobacco product.
California Penal Code Section 308.(b)
Illegal for anyone under 18 years old to purchase, receive, or possess any tobacco product.
A hookah (hukkā or huqqah) also known as a waterpipe,narghile, or qalyān is a single or multi-stemmed instrument for smoking flavored tobacco called Muassel in which the smoke is passed through a water basin (often glass based) before inhalation. The origin of the hookah is in India and Persia, or at a transition point between the two. The word hookah is a derivative of "huqqa", which is what the Indians used to call it. According to author Cyril Elgood (pp. 41, 110), who does not mention his source, it was Abul-Fath Gilani (d. 1588), a Persian physician at the Indian court of the Mughal emperor Akbar, who "first passed the smoke of tobacco through a small bowl of water to purify and cool the smoke and thus invented the hubble-bubble or hookah." Never the less, a quatrain of Ahli Shirazi (d. 1535) refers to the use of the ḡalyān in Safavid Iran. (Falsafī, II, p. 277; Semsār, 1963, p. 15). Smoking the hookah has gained popularity outside of its native region, in India, Iran, Pakistan and the Middle East, and is gaining popularity in North America, South America, Europe, Australia and South Africa."
I'm always interested in seeing what people think, so here is a poll if you want to weigh in...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/344340-adult-non-smokers-taking-up-vaping.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/344340-adult-non-smokers-taking-up-vaping.html
I totally agree - am waiting for the folks that posted on another thread about the dangers of cola and trans fats and see no problem with non smokers vaping to chew u out........lmao
lol...indeed !!
The average non smoking person might not have any issues, and may or may not want nicotine. Others may decide to pick up nicotine for cognitive benefits. It's not the same as a prescription, it would be more like someone having anxiety issues and going to the drugstore to get St. John's Wort instead of getting a prescription.
There's nothing wrong with no nic. As you said, you don't have nor do you want an addiction.
I have suffered from bouts of depression. I have never found a prescribed medication that helped at all. Every time I attempted to stop smoking, I'd have a depressive episode that did NOT end after withdrawal. I have minimal and manageable episodes with nicotine.
Here are some of the benefits of nicotine:
Discovery Health "How can nicotine be good for me?"
PS... good discussion
While the history lesson was good………it's a water .... that has several "hoses" and is a very social thing, sing people usually share the tobacco. For a time, it was considered safer……though it seems that's not the case. Tobacco that's soaked in molasses and flavorings winds up heated by a coal…the smoke is cooled through a combination of a water bath and sometimes a tube that goes through a chamber holding ice and salt water. There's no open flame on the tobacco, but it's still a combustion reaction that produces smoke.
Cigar smokers and pipe smokers look down on it because they tend to like straight tobacco. The pipe smokers who do use aromatic tobacco tend to have a pipe just for aromatics and don't mix it with pure tobacco.
Because it's flavored and produces much thicker smoke than cigarettes or cigars, plus some differences in the draw, it's probably closer to the experience of vaping than cigarettes are.
Wow, that is crazy. I guess when I saw stuff like this I always assumed it was for illegal drugs. I still can't help but feel like there is something wrong with using it. Do they inhale? Cause I have always convinced myself that since I don't inhale my cigars, and only taste the smoke, its more dignified, and safer. I mean cigars are so amazingly complex, I feel like adding flavors and stuff makes it just as bad as going to a gas station and getting a peach swisher sweet
Hookah (my circle calls it "bubbly") can be inhaled or not, it's up to the person using it. If you're a smoker then chances are you'll inhale (from personal experience only). The tobacco is quite mild, the water cools the smoke quite a bit and makes it significantly less harsh. Non-smokers (from my experience) tend to not inhale, enjoying the variety of flavours.
On the subject of non-smokers looking to start vaping nonic: I don't care one way or the other. You're your own person and can do whatever you want. If it ends up being harmful to vape then so be it, they made a choice to inhale a foreign substance. I won't RECOMMEND it, but I won't stop them either.
On the subject of non-smokers looking to start vaping nonic: I don't care one way or the other. You're your own person and can do whatever you want. If it ends up being harmful to vape then so be it, they made a choice to inhale a foreign substance. I won't RECOMMEND it, but I won't stop them either.
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