IMPORTANT PLEASE REVIEW Regarding the future of VAPING

[stevegmu]

Either way they got the nasty stuff by producing dry hits. dont know about you guys but thats something i tend to avoid...

Apparently this is a big issue with inexperienced vapers, hence the need for temperature control, but I don't see anything about dry hits in the study, either, just that 5v. were used to produce the higher levels. Do 5 volts of power produce dry hits? I don't know; never gone that high...

 

[twgbonehead]

Where does that 100-second draw come from? Despite all the MAJOR flaws in that formaldehyde study, I haven't seen that number, and I believe it is false. But I keep seeing it get repeated. Where does that come from? (And BTW, there is NO WAY to get a 100-second draw off of an innokin VV V2, so it's NOT true. Can we please stick with the REAL problems with that study, and not make up other issues???)

 

[stevegmu]

Where does that 100-second draw come from? Despite all the MAJOR flaws in that formaldehyde study, I haven't seen that number, and I believe it is false. But I keep seeing it get repeated. Where does that come from? (And BTW, there is NO WAY to get a 100-second draw off of an innokin VV V2, so it's NOT true. Can we please stick with the REAL problems with that study, and not make up other issues???)

It's odd one side accuses the other of false information by dismissing studies with false information...

 

[twgbonehead]

Apparently this is a big issue with inexperienced vapers, hence the need for temperature control, but I don't see anything about dry hits in the study, either, just that 5v. were used to produce the higher levels. Do 5 volts of power produce dry hits? I don't know; never gone that high...

Well, one aspect of science is that legitimate results should be reproduceable. So rather than saying that "inexperienced vapers" might harm themselves, I suggest you try vaping some Halo e-liquid at 5 volts on a CE4 clearo, and let us know how that works out for you. Before you suggest that temperature-control should be a requirement.

(P.S. The only mods at the moment that offer temperature control do not measure temperature, and therefore do not control it, and require using nickel wire, which IMHO is a greater danger than what I'm vaping at the moment, regardless of the liquid).

 

[stevegmu]

Well, one aspect of science is that legitimate results should be reproduceable. So rather than saying that "inexperienced vapers" might harm themselves, I suggest you try vaping some Halo e-liquid at 5 volts on a CE4 clearo, and let us know how that works out for you. Before you suggest that temperature-control should be a requirement.

(P.S. The only mods at the moment that offer temperature control do not measure temperature, and therefore do not control it, and require using nickel wire, which IMHO is a greater danger than what I'm vaping at the moment, regardless of the liquid).

What ohms? I don't think a 3 ohm coil at 5 volts would produce a dry hit. I have gone to 4.3 v. on a Triton VV with a 2.5 coil without a dry hit. The Triton only goes to 4.3 and my tanks for it don't work with ProVari, of I would try it...

New vapors often get carried away due to what they see on YouTube, hence why I always suggest new vapers learn to vape on eGos before they get higher power mods...

So temperature control is just a marketing gimmick? I kind of thought so...

 

[T4T3Z0R]

Apparently this is a big issue with inexperienced vapers, hence the need for temperature control, but I don't see anything about dry hits in the study, either, just that 5v. were used to produce the higher levels. Do 5 volts of power produce dry hits? I don't know; never gone that high...

They were using a CE4 at about 13 watts. i dont know if youve used a CE4 but it doesnt wick nearly well enough for that. Hence dry hits

 

[stevegmu]

They were using a CE4 at about 13 watts. i dont know if youve used a CE4 but it doesnt wick nearly well enough for that. Hence dry hits

I have used Halo Tritons, which are essentially ce4s. The resistance is key. What ohm coil were they using? I know the coils for a Triton go up to 3.2, so 5v. doesn't sound unrealistic and would only be around 8 watts...

 

[T4T3Z0R]

I believe they said 2.1.

 

[stevegmu]

I believe they said 2.1.

I don't see that anywhere in the pdf. Perhaps I am looking at a different study...

 

[T4T3Z0R]

I don't see that anywhere in the pdf. Perhaps I am looking at a different study...

ill check back to see where i got the number

 

[T4T3Z0R]

A brief search through some of the stuff i had previously read about the study didn't turn up a number. It is quite possable i was going by the resistance of the old ce4s i have sitting around (just checked none are over 2.3 ohms) I then searched and found ce4s currently being sold dont go over 2.8 oms. that would mean that if the were using the highest resistance possable, it would be just short of 9 watts. I took my least used one and tried it at 9 watts. I did a 5 second puff like was done in the study. it wasnt a completely dry hit but dry enough to make me caugh and taste gross.

 

[T4T3Z0R]

there is this
Based on calculations by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos from data provided in the article, the resistance was no higher than 1.7 ohms. At a voltage of 5.0V, the wattage would be 14.7W. That is in the "red zone" where the vaporizer is being overheated and where, for a conventional e-cigarette, the coils would likely be damaged or burned.
but id like to know where he got that number. i didnt see anywhere that they were using the lr ce4s

 

[stevegmu]

A brief search through some of the stuff i had previously read about the study didn't turn up a number. It is quite possable i was going by the resistance of the old ce4s i have sitting around (just checked none are over 2.3 ohms) I then searched and found ce4s currently being sold dont go over 2.8 oms. that would mean that if the were using the highest resistance possable, it would be just short of 9 watts. I took my least used one and tried it at 9 watts. I did a 5 second puff like was done in the study. it wasnt a completely dry hit but dry enough to make me caugh and taste gross.

Try it at 3-4 seconds, like the study... Were you using high PG e-juice? I can see high VG liquid having trouble wicking, but Halo e-liquid is high PG...

 

[stevegmu]

there is this
Based on calculations by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos from data provided in the article, the resistance was no higher than 1.7 ohms. At a voltage of 5.0V, the wattage would be 14.7W. That is in the "red zone" where the vaporizer is being overheated and where, for a conventional e-cigarette, the coils would likely be damaged or burned.
but id like to know where he got that number. i didnt see anywhere that they were using the lr ce4s

That's interesting, but I'm not sure how he determined the resistance of the coil, when only volts were given...

 

[T4T3Z0R]

also worthy to point out
We have observed that formaldehyde-containing hemiacetals, shown by others to be entities that are detectable by means of nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectroscopy,1 can be formed during the e-cigarette “vaping” process... How formaldehyde-releasing agents behave in the respiratory tract is unknown
from th actual study write up. so no actual formaldehyde was even found.

 

[stevegmu]

I think what it comes down to is that high wattage vaping is probably not as safe as low power vaping, but most probably already know that...

 

[Racehorse]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you really think this is "scary", then the people doing these, ahem, "studies" are accomplishing their goal.

Welll then that would include our very own Dr. Farsalinos then, huh?

Take a long read thru this topic, he considers AP and Diacetyl "avoidable risks", meaning they are added risks that vapers who prefer not to don't have to take.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/z-old-stickies/517858-donate-dr-farsalinos-new-study.html


(Not that that will make a difference, vapers clamour for custardy juices and the companies with the most AP in the juice seem to be the most popular. and at the same time.)

Everyone should educate themselves and make their own choices, but just blowing it off because you don't like some of the sources isn't really educating people to the fullest exent.

 

[T4T3Z0R]

Try it at 3-4 seconds, like the study... Were you using high PG e-juice? I can see high VG liquid having trouble wicking, but Halo e-liquid is high PG...

the juice in it was 70 pg iirc. to save me from having to reread everything, to you recall rest period between puffs? if so ill be willing risk a dry hit or two for science

 

[caferacer]

That's interesting, but I'm not sure how he determined the resistance of the coil, when only volts were given...

There's a thread in the Media and General News section about the study. In it, someone references a Reddit post in which the OP emailed the head of the study and asked which equipment he used. The reply he got back was that he used a CE4 with a resistance of 2.1. The authenticity of the reply hasn't been verified, to the best of my knowledge.

 

[T4T3Z0R]

I think what it comes down to is that high wattage vaping is probably not as safe as low power vaping, but most probably already know that...

what we are worried about here though is heat. with proper wicking and air flow, heat can be kept at acceptable levels even in high wattage vaping