Indiana Call to Action: Multiple Indiana bills would threaten access to and use of e-cigarettes.

[Hoosier]

Hoosier Vapers are calling all vapers to a rally at the statehouse for the senate policy committee reading of HB 1432. (mirror of SB 539)

Meet in the rotunda, just past security, at 11 am on Wednesday 3/4/15.

We will have shirts and signs for vapers that show up. (Yep, a free shirt just for fighting against anti-vaping legislation, how can you beat that?)

Any updates will be on the Hoosier Vapers' website and Facebook page. (links in my sig.)

 

[JustJulie]

We updated the Indiana Call to Action to note that HB 1432 is being heard tomorrow (3-4-15) and to direct people to Hoosier Vapers for details on the rally and for the most up-to-date information.

This is one of the worst bills we've seen this legislative session (and that's saying something).

CASAA: Indiana Call to Action: Multiple Indiana bills would threaten access to and use of e-cigarettes.

 

[Hoosier]

Thanks Julie. We can use all the help we can get here. We intend to make a stand to, hopefully, slow this kind of thing to other states by fighting it with everything we've got. CASAA has always been a great help to us.

 

[zoiDman]

Bump for T-Shirts.

LOL

 

[ckquatt]

Good luck guys! Please let us know how it goes!

 

[zoiDman]

Wishing everyone Luck today at the Statehouse.

 

[zoiDman]

Just Wondering how things went in Indianapolis Today?

 

[Hoosier]

It was ugly. Amazing amount of ignorance on display orchestrated by the lobbyists who are pushing the bill. It took a strong stomach and incredible emotion control to watch.

We are still cautiously optimistic that we can move things our way before this is over.

 

[zoiDman]

It was ugly. Amazing amount of ignorance on display orchestrated by the lobbyists who are pushing the bill. It took a strong stomach and incredible emotion control to watch.

We are still cautiously optimistic that we can move things our way before this is over.

I've seen that.

And it is Very Hard for Me to Watch things like that without going into Tourette Syndrome mode. Because I know that some of them are Not Ignorant. But are performing that act for the Ignorance of some of the Listeners.

Keep hitting those who make the Decisions with the Truth. And Keep Up the Good Fight.

 

[mcol]

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[charly1954]

From reading it looks like Hoosier and many other have been fighting for Indiana Vapors right for a a few years, tks to all who have fault for the cause.

My question is, is these bills the first ones that they have tried to get passed? If not how many other bills have been defeated?

Also the way I read it, it looks like the bills have been revised and may pass this time. I can't see any good in that happening. Once they get a bill pass, no matter how good it is for vapors. I am sure they will keep trying to add more restrictive bills eventually making vaping banned where real cigs are.

You might as well say the Anti-Smoking groups are the same people as the ones who want to ban vaping. Most are ignorant in what vaping is and they are using Kids as an excuss to ban Vaping. If a kid wants to smoke, they'll get real cigs. If a kid wants to drink they'll get alcohol. If a kid wants to Vap they'll get E-cigs. There's nothing the Law can do to stop it but it makes for a good excuss to Ban Vaping.

It makes me so mad I can't see straight. I am sure if I was doing what Hoosier and others are doing I would blow a gasket. So gl all and tks again

 

[Hoosier]

First proposed bills that are anti-vaping? No.
First proposed bills that have a number of lobbyist and other inside support for them? Yes.

We've had success against some strong movements in municipal governments, but this is our first at the statehouse. (We, as in Hoosier Vapers, but we have partnered with a number of other groups for the statehouse fight and are now serving as the rallying point for the other groups and the focus of communication between everyone. There is no way the Hoosier Vapers could have done this alone.)

Of the 5 bills, only 2 are fully active. To call the other 3 "dead" during a budget year is a mistake. The General Assembly has a long history of slipping "dead" bills into the budget as an amendment, so we are doing our darnedest to keep a good number of eyes on the budget process as we are working on the two bills in process. Trust me, we have blown some gaskets....but we've managed to keep that amongst ourselves.

 

[four2109]

Can you tell us what the other 3 are, as in a summary of the details? It's been hard to follow.

 

[Hoosier]

24% inventory tax on all cape equipment. $0.083 tax per mg per ml. Define vaping as smoking under Indiana law.

 

[mcol]

Hi I have a politician friend in Indiana going to talk to the big dudes from Indy
(Senators and what not) possibly as early as this weekend. The politician
is a friend of mine and wants to bring this subject up with them speaking for our side.
He wants to know what arguments you all are using with these people so he can
bring this up and take the same sort of tactic. Thanks.
Edit: And it was just pointed out to me I know a Senator down there too. Good gawd
move away for what, 30 years and look what happens. I knew him when he was a
nobody. Tell us what tactics you're using with them we'll get to work. I want to stay
on the same page.

 

[Hoosier]

No offense meant, but I cannot discuss tactics.

We have encountered uninvited callers in phone conferences.

We have had lobbyist for the other side show up at our face to face meetings.

There has been much effort on the other side to find out what our tactics are so they can undercut them, so laying out everything on an open forum and to someone I do not personally know, doesn't seem to be in our best interest.

Again, nothing personal and I do not mean to say you would ever do such a thing, but there's quite a bit at stake here and the lack of ethics we've seen so far warrants some measure of paranoia on our part.

(Heck, we've even encountered a fake profile for ECF's own moved-on Tom Baker spreading lies and stirring up trouble on social media on this subject.)

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Hoosier, just remember when you are encountering flack you must be on target.

 

[Hoosier]

It's very thick flak...

Here's a question nobody can seem to come up with an answer for: The original bill excluded e-cigs the size and shape of a conventional cigarette that used a seal cartridge of 2ml or less. The current bill has the same exclusion, but for sealed cartridges of 4ml or less. We have been told numerous times and in many ways this aspect of the bill is nonnegotiable in any way shape or form. Why? If it was completely nonnegotiable how did an amendment get in that increased the volume of the cartridge? Who is making a cig-alike that has a 4ml cartridge? (The lobbyist groups you would expect to be behind this part are not, so the question is doubly confounding.)

 

[mcol]

No offense meant, but I cannot discuss tactics.

We have encountered uninvited callers in phone conferences.

We have had lobbyist for the other side show up at our face to face meetings.

There has been much effort on the other side to find out what our tactics are so they can undercut them, so laying out everything on an open forum and to someone I do not personally know, doesn't seem to be in our best interest.

Again, nothing personal and I do not mean to say you would ever do such a thing, but there's quite a bit at stake here and the lack of ethics we've seen so far warrants some measure of paranoia on our part.

(Heck, we've even encountered a fake profile for ECF's own moved-on Tom Baker spreading lies and stirring up trouble on social media on this subject.)

Understand this is a public forum and lotsa eyes.
Good luck.

 

[zoiDman]

It's very thick flak...

Here's a question nobody can seem to come up with an answer for: The original bill excluded e-cigs the size and shape of a conventional cigarette that used a seal cartridge of 2ml or less. The current bill has the same exclusion, but for sealed cartridges of 4ml or less. We have been told numerous times and in many ways this aspect of the bill is nonnegotiable in any way shape or form. Why? If it was completely nonnegotiable how did an amendment get in that increased the volume of the cartridge? Who is making a cig-alike that has a 4ml cartridge? (The lobbyist groups you would expect to be behind this part are not, so the question is doubly confounding.)

Isn't this so that BT's current and future products would be Exempt from this Legislation?