Industry should cooperate with FDA, new tobacco chief says

[Vocalek]

I'm posting this in Campaigning instead of News, because electronic cigarettes are not mentioned in the article.

Industry should cooperate with FDA, new tobacco chief says | Richmond Times-Dispatch

I left this comment:

I am amazed that nobody in this particular audience asked why FDA is now claiming 400,000 Americans die each year from tobacco-related diseases, when that figure applies only to smoking-related diseases. It seems that there is a concerted PR campaign to substitute “tobacco” for “smoking” to lead the public to the false conclusion that all forms of tobacco are equally harmful. They are not. Research clearly shows that smokeless forms of tobacco do not cause the lung diseases associated with smoking. Smokeless forms of tobacco do not cause heart disease. Although there are cancers associated with smokeless tobacco, the rates are a fraction of cancer caused by smoking. The electronic “cigarette,“ which delivers vaporized nicotine, will probably prove to be 99% less harmful than inhaling smoke.

I see any mention of tobacco or smoking as an opportunity to bring up harm reduction and mention the electronic cigarette. (Sorry Kristin, but that's the name the public recognizes.)

But it does bother me that the government agencies now feel free to substitute "tobacco" for "smoking." Some of the speakers are scientists and should understand that their language needs to be precise. So their misleading use of language indicates to me that they are against the principle of harm reduction. Maybe I will write Deyton a letter on this topic.

My attention was brought to this article by a link in today's blog posting by Dr. Siegel. "Blogging from the Tobacco Merchants Association Annual Meeting"
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

 

[boxhead]

I coulb be wrong, it was SE asking for FDA help that started the import holds...
Sun had some posts long time back, (like I can find it now) that had SE sending request in 3 times, no response from FDA other that 2 weeks after a shipment was held SE got a notice of new drug/device...
I guess the money was not good enough, when I rule the world, speed limits are SPEED LImITS and asking for help from a goverment angency will not be about how much money someone would make OR lose, if their benifits are true. Even if, every possible measure of good, from a stupid light blub to claims of cold fusion to a e-cig would-should be looked at. This comes from the mess this world is in from smart people trying to drop junk in hole spewing oil a mile under water...
Sorry Voc, I really think You do help. I had to rant somewhere

 

[chrisl317]

I don't think cooperation with the FDA would give us the results we want. I also think cooperation coupled with providing them with information that has been gathered here would be twisted and used against us by political opportunists.

 

[D103]

I totally agree with Chrisl317. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Self-Righteous People and organizations are not at ALL amenable to persuasion. And if you think I've
exaggerated by characterizing the FDA as "self-righteous" I urge you to read the post in the Law and the E-Cigarette section, page 1,made by Tampa2 (nice find by the way) entitled "Only the FDA can decide what we eat or drink." Self-Righteous people have seriously impaired insight, are dishonest to self and others and see every disagreement with others as a win - lose situation. They have no 'true moral compass' because, after all....they are always right....and they experience losing as a 'psychological death.' This, in part, explains the absolutely crazy behavior re: trotting out the "danger to the precious children" approach initially until various States started offering up 'No Sales to Minors' legislation and they quickly regrouped (got their strategy and talking points together) and became willing to throw the children under the bus, so to speak, in order to 'win the war - TOTAL BAN'.

 

[Tampa2]

My attention was brought to this article by a link in today's blog posting by Dr. Siegel. "Blogging from the Tobacco Merchants Association Annual Meeting"
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

Do you have a library of sorts on your site? I am very interested.

 

[Vocalek]

You will find a link to Dr. Siegel's blog and other sites of interest on this page of the CASAA.org site.

Select the Links tab, and then select Science & Medical links. This is a direct link to that page:

Casaa.org - Links


As far as a "library" goes, click on the Resources tab and check out the sections. We have links to lab tests and medical journal articles, and have stored copies of documents that are "open access." We can't store copies of material that carries a copyright without permission from the copyright holder.

 

[kristin]

I see any mention of tobacco or smoking as an opportunity to bring up harm reduction and mention the electronic cigarette. (Sorry Kristin, but that's the name the public recognizes.)

LOL! You must have missed my posts in that other thread about not calling it a cigarette.

I've accepted for some time now that that horse left the barn a long time ago. We're pretty much stuck with the "electronic cigarette" name.

Nice comment though - I'll go take a look at the article now.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

You know something? I see a parallel between FDA tactics and US law enforcement tactics. Ever seen these cop shows where the cops appear that they would slam the pursued into a wall, at risk of their death, rather than envisage them being apprehended in a safer manner on another occasion? What about those tazer happy fascists that would electrocute a pensioner just to show who is boss?
The way I see it, the FDA see themselves as the cops, and they would rather run us into a wall than make any concessions and, god forbid, look like they are backing down
I think it is more about 'saving face' than making the right decision. It is a matter of pride for them. No, co-operation with the FDA would be portrayed as tacit admission that they are right and we are wrong. It would be like digging our own grave.
Face them head on, what is right is right. No matter what gutter tactics they retaliate with.