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or if a Special Edition package was offered
(tootle puffers special)
Tootle Puffer COMBO PAK
MVP 3.0 + VV4 = $52.00
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do you think the ‘peeps’ would buy this… ?
Probably not.
Make it a coolfire IV and a VV3 then i'm in.
Oh wait. Thats my setup now.
yepper, I was being facetious due to the fact that
they ‘rushed’ that unit out, then qwikly followed it
with the ‘PRO’ - then abandoned the new 3.0 version...
I have been looking for ANY remnants of the old 3.0
on the cheap, but not really out there (as I see)
that’s where I came up with the wishful flyer of sorts
as a tootle puffer, the standard 3.0 would be great – to me…
Well I can keep an eye out if I see anything. There were a couple up here last month I saw and I was thinking about it but bought the coolfire instead. I like the coolfire more than the MVP 20w I had that suffered a not catastrophic catastrophic failure.yepper, I was being facetious due to the fact that
they ‘rushed’ that unit out, then qwikly followed it
with the ‘PRO’ - then abandoned the new 3.0 version...
I have been looking for ANY remnants of the old 3.0
on the cheap, but not really out there (as I see)
that’s where I came up with the wishful flyer of sorts
as a tootle puffer, the standard 3.0 would be great – to me…
set aside aesthetics & size (I like the big box)
the MVP 3.0 works for me
30w/.4Ω is all I need
3800 mah is nice
then the charge out (just in case)
so for cheap, cheap - I’d like it (but cheap)
the MVP 3.0 works for me
30w/.4Ω is all I need
3800 mah is nice
then the charge out (just in case)
so for cheap, cheap - I’d like it (but cheap)
yepper, I was being facetious due to the fact that
they ‘rushed’ that unit out, then qwikly followed it
with the ‘PRO’ - then abandoned the new 3.0 version...
I have been looking for ANY remnants of the old 3.0
on the cheap, but not really out there (as I see)
that’s where I came up with the wishful flyer of sorts
as a tootle puffer, the standard 3.0 would be great – to me…
Do you consider $30 cheap?
I have to wonder what their "safety" concerns are?
Current temperature control may not be extremely accurate for a whole host of reasons, mostly technical and economically driven, but it is certainly better than no temperature control. Even if TC is achieved with a sensor in the atomizer the accuracy may not be all that high given the actual resolution that can be achieved at anything close to an affordable price.
You'd have to follow the threads. They are quite active there so not hard to find. I believe they questioned the materials, nickle and ti was one of their concerns. I tend to agree about nickle, it's well known for causing problems and leeching. Even surgical steel leeches nickle. The ti, I don't have enough background to know. Just because it carries a Calif. state warning really doesn't mean that much IMO. But maybe Innokin's engineers know more? I think they gave a list and said they were working on a different system. Best if you read the thread yourself.
I just know that if Innokin wanted to push out TC in response to public demand, they could have but instead put the brakes on to err on the side of caution over profit for whatever reason. They aren't causing drama or sounding alarms, just stating a preferrance for now.
They also promised a rba deck for the Apex which hasn't appeared yet. IMO that's what they need to get on the market asap.
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Titanium does have a "cancerous" warning, but that's based on a study of one man who got lung cancer and worked in an atmosphere filled with titanium dioxide dust for years with no respiration protection. That study also ignored the fact that the person smoked cigarettes for 30 years.
Neither nickel or titanium will produce oxides at the temperatures vaping occurs at. With titanium it takes around 800-1000F before enough oxides form to be of any concern. At 400-500F there is, virtually, no significant oxidation at all. I can't speak to nickel, vaping it tastes metallic to me, but I am pretty certain the same things apply regarding oxidation.
If migration/emission of the metal molecules/particles is a concern, think about the chromium in kanthal.
There are dangers and uncertainties with anything we do, but I will wager that titanium, and probably nickel when used for temperature controlled vaping, are at least as safe as kanthal in a non-temperature controlled device be it VV, VW or mech.
Neither nickel or titanium will produce oxides at the temperatures vaping occurs at. With titanium it takes around 800-1000F before enough oxides form to be of any concern. At 400-500F there is, virtually, no significant oxidation at all. I can't speak to nickel, vaping it tastes metallic to me, but I am pretty certain the same things apply regarding oxidation.
If migration/emission of the metal molecules/particles is a concern, think about the chromium in kanthal.
There are dangers and uncertainties with anything we do, but I will wager that titanium, and probably nickel when used for temperature controlled vaping, are at least as safe as kanthal in a non-temperature controlled device be it VV, VW or mech.
I get most of my hardware and all of my software from MFS. The shipping costs me $5.21 (basic USPS), and it's been only a 2 or 3 day wait because they're only a state or two away from me.
Nickle has long standing warnings. EU didn't allow it for a long time, even a fraction. Nickle leeches. Surgical steel was a patented process that was supposed to bind it but it's been discovered it releases it instead. Body piercings are warned against using surgical steel. It's different than the concerns surrounding ti. Leeching isn't an issue with most ti and I'm ignoring possible alloys. The issue there is with oxidation and I wonder how toxic that can be since titanium dioxide is used in many, many, many things. That's what sunscreens are commonly made of, it's in foods, it's in the stuff they put on baby bottoms. It's laughable Calif has it on their list. But I don't know. I've done more research on nickle for unrelated reasons.
Nickel may leach, but titanium doesn't or it wouldn't work for surgical implants. The wire being used for coils in temperature control specifically has to be "grade 1" titanium which is 99.9% pure titanium and is used for surgical purposes. It does need to be "grade 1" to have a coefficient of temperature that is useable in temperature control.
2 different things. Leeching is serious with nickle and that includes steel alloys of all kinds.
Heating is the question with ti. Grade 1 doesn't always mean purity, it's related to work hardness. I'd have to look up my grades. I use ti in jewelry and have sources so don't really think too much about it anymore. I also use niobium which would be stable at temp, no oxides but it's expensive.
I think as an industry they are starting to realize that you can't control people and the choices they make. So you have to control the product. That would explain Innokin going to internal batteries. The user can't put the wrong choice inside. They chip limits what it will fire so the user can't go too low in ohms causing high amp draw. Until they can control what you can safley use for coils, they won't release a temp control device.
Nickle is an issue for the majority of the population. The body can only handle so much. Eighty % are reactive to nickle.
I did a quick check and grade 1 ti is related to workability, not content. What is needed is "cp" or chemically pure ti.
Again, the grade 1 I am using, and most of the people I have spoken with about it, one being a metallurgist who worked with titanium for years, is 99.9% pure. The workability can be a problem and it needs to be tempered to remove the springiness.
In terms of end user protection, to me it's a "feel good" or "safe zone" illusion. Nothing can protect from stupidity.
In terms of end user protection, to me it's a "feel good" or "safe zone" illusion. Nothing can protect from stupidity.
That's you. I can see someone search ebay for grade 1 ti and thinking that means chemically pure. Fortunatley most of the alloys used are probably harmless.
Let me ask this, isn't this more of a problem due to high wattages and low ohms that some people are pushing lately? If so, I tend to want to seperate the market into THR gear and competition / sport gear. Then the issue of vaping at too high tempuratures would be solved. I'm not into sub ohming so I really don't know.
Unless everyone responds to the CASAA call to action by Tuesday, it could be a mute point.
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