Innotaste SVD and Batteries

[chris.timms44]

Hi

I bought an Innotaste SVD recently and am having problems with batteries. My charger reads 4.2 volt output so I think the charger is ok. The original battery no longer charges so I purchased a brand new Samsung 18650. I used the Samsung once and that doesn't charge now. I'm getting a new charger on the off chance it's that but the seller said it was my fault and that I am burning the batteries out. Is that possible? I use it set at 6volts and I see the batteries are 3.7 volts. I checked the batteries and both show 3.2 volts. According to what i can find to read on the subject, the SVD has battery protection and that 3.2 volts should be ok for the battery to recover from. I now wonder if my SVD is faulty and not protecting the batteries from over draining. I messaged Innokin twice but they never replied. Can anyone help me with advice on this matter please? If my SVD is faulty I need to send it back to my supplier. His attitude appears that it is my fault end of story.

 

[CreepyLady]

Hi and Welcome to ECF

We need more specific information - what kind of batteries and what kind of charger?

As far as the specific problem - I am getting from your post that they are not recharging and if you test the voltage with a multimeter they are currently testing at 3.2. Is this correct? Is the charger doing anything to recognize them?

Sorry for all of the questions, but these are necessary details

 

[Baditude]

Creepy is correct. There are certain models & brands of batteries and chargers that are recognized as good or poor quality. Giving us the model and brand of your batteries can help us determine what your issue could be.

I suspect that the charger you have is either not recognizing your batteries or is faulty in some other way. But until we have more info we can't offer any better advice.

Most batteries will have some letters or numbers on the battery casing. Anything could help. Same is true with the charger. If there is nothing on the battery or charger, these could be generic batteries or charger which no one should use.

 

[chimsweep]

chrisk, the setting at 6 volts has me confused. My charger can be set at 3.0 and 3.6. I am not sure what charger can be set for 6.0 volts. Getting a new charger that is primarily for cylindrical lithium batteries like 18650 is crucial. Do you have another device you could try the batteries in? I have a SVD and love it....so will you once you get this battery problem solved. I'm thinking it's the charger which in turn have make the batteries faulty. good luck

 

[Glenn_K]

I think the OP means that he's setting his SVD to 6 volts.

Chris do you have a multimeter that you can use to test your batteries, or any other sort of device that you can use them in?

Welcome to the forum btw.

-- Glenn

chrisk, the setting at 6 volts has me confused. My charger can be set at 3.0 and 3.6. I am not sure what charger can be set for 6.0 volts. Getting a new charger that is primarily for cylindrical lithium batteries like 18650 is crucial. Do you have another device you could try the batteries in? I have a SVD and love it....so will you once you get this battery problem solved. I'm thinking it's the charger which in turn have make the batteries faulty. good luck

 

[chris.timms44]

Hi all and thanks for responding. it seems there is some confusion in what I have posted or the way I have written it. So to try and remove that confusion I will re write it.

The charger is a generic looking thing with a plate that states 3.7V/450mA end of charge output 4.2V. Measured voltage after taking the battery out is at 4.2V using a multimeter.

Original battery is some sort of generic that came with the charger. Says on it Li-18650HP 1500mAh 3.7v
The new battery is as I said Samsung, written on it, Samsung ICR18650-26F M Samsung SDIEM TDX5
Both now read 3.2V on a multimeter and will not charge.

The SVD is set at 6V using a single 3.7V 18650 battery.

As I like the SVD, although not Innotaste as they don't reply to messages, I have ordered a new charger which is a Nitecore Intellicharge i4 V2.

When I messaged the seller the first utterance he made was It's your fault, you must have drained the batteries beyond where they can recover. I listened to what he said and did some research. I believe that whilst possible to do this to the batteries, the SVD has a battery protection circuit to stop this happening. Also, it flashes red at low voltage and turns itself off. If that is the case then I'm assuming that it is either

i)Two faulty batteries
ii)A faulty charger(Yet the voltage output appears correct)
iii)The SVD is faulty and isn't protecting the batteries
iv)I am doing something as he says and damaging the batteries.

I asked Innotaste the question ' Does the SVD protect non protected batteries from over discharging' but got no response. Hence my post here. Is it possible my having the voltage set at 6v when using a 3.7v battery is the cause? I can't say for sure on the charger until I try a new one but would like to get as much info as possible so I can go back to the seller a better informed person. So, any help or advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. An aside is that the SVD comes with some instructions but not much info on actually using it. I guess that's where you guys come in, experience. Thanks for reading this.

 

[Glenn_K]

I don't know about the SVD specifically, but regulated mods generally have a lower voltage limit (around 3.2 volts) below which they will not fire. So in theory a properly functioning regulated mod cannot overdrain a battery.

One of the problems with many regulated mods is no after-market support. Once you get past any store or mfc warranty period, if your devices stops working, you're SOL.

When you got your replacement battery, the Samsung, it should have arrived with a partial charge (around 3.8 volts). If it worked until it hit the lower voltage limit on your SVD, that would tend to point to the charger as the source of the problem. But you won't know this for sure until you know that you have a properly charged battery, and put it into your SVD.

-- Glenn

 

[Rancor0681]

Does this device say innotaste on it?

Only asking cause it should be Innokin iTaste SVD

If you messaged Innotaste they prob have no clue what your talking about some quick googling shows Innotaste as a flavoring company not a vape company

 

[chris.timms44]

I don't know about the SVD specifically, but regulated mods generally have a lower voltage limit (around 3.2 volts) below which they will not fire. So in theory a properly functioning regulated mod cannot overdrain a battery.

One of the problems with many regulated mods is no after-market support. Once you get past any store or mfc warranty period, if your devices stops working, you're SOL.

When you got your replacement battery, the Samsung, it should have arrived with a partial charge (around 3.8 volts). If it worked until it hit the lower voltage limit on your SVD, that would tend to point to the charger as the source of the problem. But you won't know this for sure until you know that you have a properly charged battery, and put it into your SVD.

-- Glenn

Hi Glenn

Thanks for replying.

You hit the nail on the head. No back up, just blame the buyer and don't give a damn. trouble is when a seller takes that line and then says 'send it back, at your expense and we'll test it' I have little faith and then they expect me to 'trust them because they say they are 'trustworthy and honest'. I trust God and myself. The rest have to prove it. If Innotaste had responded I would have had this sorted. So, I collect as much knowledge and info to back up my claim before I send anything back. Conversely, if there is a doubt as to whether I am causing it then he gets off scott free because I know I am honest. Personally from what I've read the SVD should protect the battery but it isn't clearly stated. All I can do is try and eliminate what isn't the cause.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

To me, this sounds like the only real issue here is the generic charger. Once you get a good charger, the batteries will charge and there will be no issues.

 

[Rancor0681]

Hi Glenn

Thanks for replying.

You hit the nail on the head. No back up, just blame the buyer and don't give a damn. trouble is when a seller takes that line and then says 'send it back, at your expense and we'll test it' I have little faith and then they expect me to 'trust them because they say they are 'trustworthy and honest'. I trust God and myself. The rest have to prove it. If Innotaste had responded I would have had this sorted. So, I collect as much knowledge and info to back up my claim before I send anything back. Conversely, if there is a doubt as to whether I am causing it then he gets off scott free because I know I am honest. Personally from what I've read the SVD should protect the battery but it isn't clearly stated. All I can do is try and eliminate what isn't the cause.

You keep saying Innotaste (this is not the maker of the SVD) so if your actual product states it's an Innotaste you got ripped off

 

[Bunnykiller]

The SVD cuts off at 3.2V ... so discharging the battery below 3.2 wont happen IIRC you said you took a reading and it was 3.2V on the batteries so we can count the SVD not a problem. You mentioned that you charged the batteries to 4.1. did you take a reading on the batteries after charging and if you did and it was 3.9+ then the charger may be working properly. are the batteries newish? ( not too old)
Sometimes batteries age but will still take a "full voltage" charge but the capacity is minimal ( shows 4.1 V but has like 500mah worth of capacity instead of the 2000) another thing about failing batteries is that they will take a full volt charge and will "discharge" just sitting there doing nothing... I have 4 18650's I pulled from an old worn out drill. They take a full volt charge but in 3-4 hours of non use they drop to 2.8V they are just tired and worn out...

 

[edyle]

Hi

I bought an Innotaste SVD recently and am having problems with batteries. My charger reads 4.2 volt output so I think the charger is ok. The original battery no longer charges so I purchased a brand new Samsung 18650. I used the Samsung once and that doesn't charge now. I'm getting a new charger on the off chance it's that but the seller said it was my fault and that I am burning the batteries out. Is that possible? I use it set at 6volts and I see the batteries are 3.7 volts. I checked the batteries and both show 3.2 volts. According to what i can find to read on the subject, the SVD has battery protection and that 3.2 volts should be ok for the battery to recover from. I now wonder if my SVD is faulty and not protecting the batteries from over draining. I messaged Innokin twice but they never replied. Can anyone help me with advice on this matter please? If my SVD is faulty I need to send it back to my supplier. His attitude appears that it is my fault end of story.

1:
My charger reads 4.2 volt output
Did you actually test the charger with a multimeter?

2:
The original battery no longer charges
How many times did the original battery recharge? Once? Somewhere between 10 and 200 times?

3:
I used the Samsung once and that doesn't charge now
Does the charger light turn on? Does the charger light change color? Does the charger have a light?


Sounds like the problem is the charger.

 

[chris.timms44]

To me, this sounds like the only real issue here is the generic charger. Once you get a good charger, the batteries will charge and there will be no issues.

I'm hoping.

Just can't get my head round the voltage reading from the charger if the charger's u/s. I would expect nothing or a lot less than that required. Not a reading that is correct according to the tag on it. Unless I'm missing something. Thanks.

 

[chris.timms44]

Does this device say innotaste on it?

Only asking cause it should be Innokin iTaste SVD

If you messaged Innotaste they prob have no clue what your talking about some quick googling shows Innotaste as a flavoring company not a vape company

Sorry, my mistake. I got the company right to send to but wrote it on here wrong. Doh!

It is the Innokin Itaste SVD express kit.


I'm trying to do too many jobs at once at the minute and getting all confused

 

[chris.timms44]

1:
My charger reads 4.2 volt output
Did you actually test the charger with a multimeter?

2:
The original battery no longer charges
How many times did the original battery recharge? Once? Somewhere between 10 and 200 times?

3:
I used the Samsung once and that doesn't charge now
Does the charger light turn on? Does the charger light change color? Does the charger have a light?


Sounds like the problem is the charger.

1) Mastech MY64
2)Approx 30 times. Once daily for about a month.
3)Charger light glows red, stays red and gives a reading of between 4.2 and 4.7 volts on my multimeter. The charger is generic crud and heading for the bin. As mentioned a new one is on order.

What I am trying to get my head around is the charger being faulty but giving readings that suggest it is working as per it's capacity. I maybe put too much info into my post and should have asked this question,
'Is it possible to drain an 18650 unprotected battery below the voltage at which it can be recharged or recover'? or 'Does having the SVD set at 6 volts damage the 18650 unprotected batteries, or does the SVD shut off before the battery is damaged'?
I didn't like the sellers knee jerk reaction to my message saying 'It's your fault and you must be damaging the battery'. That's a sign of a bad dealer. I want to figure out if it is my doing, which I don't think it is, or if it is the battery, charger or SVD. If the battery or charger then it's no great problem. If the SVD, I need to prove it beyond a doubt because I don't feel I can trust the dealer. If it's me then I'll put my hands up and tell him. The one thing I won't do is be ripped off. I can say the SVD is genuine as I checked it on the web site.

So, if anyone reading this answer or post can tell me categorically if draining the batteries as he suggested I did is possible or not I would gratefully appreciate it.

 

[chris.timms44]

The SVD cuts off at 3.2V ... so discharging the battery below 3.2 wont happen IIRC you said you took a reading and it was 3.2V on the batteries so we can count the SVD not a problem. You mentioned that you charged the batteries to 4.1. did you take a reading on the batteries after charging and if you did and it was 3.9+ then the charger may be working properly. are the batteries newish? ( not too old)
Sometimes batteries age but will still take a "full voltage" charge but the capacity is minimal ( shows 4.1 V but has like 500mah worth of capacity instead of the 2000) another thing about failing batteries is that they will take a full volt charge and will "discharge" just sitting there doing nothing... I have 4 18650's I pulled from an old worn out drill. They take a full volt charge but in 3-4 hours of non use they drop to 2.8V they are just tired and worn out...

Like me Bunnykiller, like me!Lol!

 

[edyle]

1) mastech my64
2)approx 30 times. Once daily for about a month.
3)charger light glows red, stays red and gives a reading of between 4.2 and 4.7 volts on my multimeter. The charger is generic crud and heading for the bin. As mentioned a new one is on order.

What i am trying to get my head around is the charger being faulty but giving readings that suggest it is working as per it's capacity. I maybe put too much info into my post and should have asked this question,
'is it possible to drain an 18650 unprotected battery below the voltage at which it can be recharged or recover'? Or 'does having the svd set at 6 volts damage the 18650 unprotected batteries, or does the svd shut off before the battery is damaged'?
I didn't like the sellers knee jerk reaction to my message saying 'it's your fault and you must be damaging the battery'. That's a sign of a bad dealer. I want to figure out if it is my doing, which i don't think it is, or if it is the battery, charger or svd. If the battery or charger then it's no great problem. If the svd, i need to prove it beyond a doubt because i don't feel i can trust the dealer. If it's me then i'll put my hands up and tell him. The one thing i won't do is be ripped off. I can say the svd is genuine as i checked it on the web site.

So, if anyone reading this answer or post can tell me categorically if draining the batteries as he suggested i did is possible or not i would gratefully appreciate it.

danger
danger

 

[edyle]

You said the charger light glows red, stays red and gives a reading of between 4.2 and 4.7

First of all if you charge lithium ion batteries over 4.2v you are going to have a problem.

Second: if the light stays red, and does not go green, I think your batteries are not charging; or maybe its the wrong charger for lithium batteries.

These batteries carry the energy equivalent of a bullet fired from a gun. Take no chances.

 

[chris.timms44]

Hi all

Well, it turned out to be the charger. I don't know how as I checked the output. The new intelli-charger arrived and charged both batteries back up. Life is good again. Thank you to all of you who read my post and offered advice. Chris.