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E-Cigarette Sellers Could Face Prison // Misbranded Drug Sales Felonies, Even Absent Claims

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2009-08-31 14:12:05 - E-cigarette sellers have been banned in one state, threatened with civil actions in another, sued by an attorney general, had their imports blocked, and abandoned by PayPal and Facebook, but many may not realize that they might also face prison for the unlawful sale of a misbranded drug, suggests the public interest law professor who has been leading the so-far successful legal assault against this novel new product which dispenses nicotine to users.


Unlike other nicotine-administration products such as patches, gums, inhalers, throat sprays, lollipops, and water -- all of which are classified as drugs and/or drug-device combinations by the Food and Drug Administration [FDA], and require the agency's approval to be marketed -- e-cigarette marketers have maintained that their product is outside the jurisdiction of the FDA and can lawfully be sold
without agency authorization.

But the FDA "has already declared that electronic cigarettes are subject to FDA approval as a drug or medical device, much like nicotine patches, gum and inhalers -- and therefore they are illegal until they are cleared," and has stated that electronic cigarettes are "unapproved new drugs and/or misbranded drugs or devices," and appear "to be a combination drug-device product that requires pre-approval, registration and listing with FDA."

Federal law, particularly 21 U.S.C. 331, prohibits the "introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce" of any misbranded drug, and 21 U.S.C. 333 provides for imprisonment for one year for each individual violation; e.g., for each individual sale.

Despite the FDA's clear statement, e-cigarette sellers argue that their product is not a "drug" (or "drug-device") subject to FDA jurisdiction because, they maintain, they do not make the drug-type claims which they assert are necessary to demonstrate their intent as sellers that the product be used as a "drug."

The FDA disagrees, arguing that the sellers do make drug-type claims clearly establishing their intent, and citing numerous statements about using the device to help people quit smoking, to satisfy a nicotine addiction, etc. which the agency asserts are drug-type claims which clearly establish its jurisdiction over the product.

But, as law professor John Banzhaf has pointed out, there are many judicial decisions -- including one in a case which he himself brought -- holding that the FDA can assert jurisdiction over a product as a drug even if the sellers make no drug-type claims at all.

Banzhaf, of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), filed a legal petition to prompt the FDA to assert jurisdiction over e-cigarettes, provided information and encouragement to attorneys general to crack down on e-cigarettes in their states, warned PayPal about their potential legal liability for facilitating the sale of e-cigarettes, and filed a court brief in support to the FDA's authority to stop the importation of e-cigarettes.
E-Cigarette Sellers Could Face Prison // Misbranded Drug Sales Felonies, Even Absent Claims

PROFESSOR JOHN F. BANZHAF III
Professor of Public Interest Law and Executive Director
Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
America's First Antismoking Organization
2013 H Street, NW, Washington, DC 20006, USA
(202) 659-4310 // (703) 527-8418 // ash.org


Contact Information:
Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
America's First Antismoking Organization

2013 H Street, NW,
Washington, DC 20006, USA

Contact Person:
Law Professor John Banzhaf
Chief Counsel
Phone: (202) 659-4310 // (703) 527-8418
email: email

Web: ash.org
 

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Regardless of whether or not this is to be expected from this man, media statements like this should be countered immediately. This is exactly how this man sways public thinking. He posts spin articles like this, and there's never a rebuttal.
:evil:

I sent it to Dr. Siegel. He will do something with it.
 

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My first P/V arrived June 15.
Since then I have basically been able to 'choose' if I really wanted to have a cigarette.
Addiction to them is powerful and my observations include the following:
Thousands of 'smokers' are having excellent success when they decide to substitute vaping for .... logs.
Even many who had no intention of quiting smoking are discovering they just don't want/need/like to smoke after a period of vaping.

Rmember - vaping threatens the status-quo of
Big Tobacco - sales
Big Pharmacy- sales
FDA - by 2012 I believe they are to receive 850 million from Big Tobacco to fund Tobacco regulation
Federal Government- taxes
Non-profit organizations - Am Lung association, Cancer.orgswhoever, they survive via donations and grants
Researchers - attempting to find a cure for something that doesn't occur as often because smoking is no longer part of the equation - well you just don't have the same 'need' or stats to back up your funding
Doctors/Hospitals - while the truly ethical ones are showing support on an individual basis as patients drop ciggies for vaping - as an industry health care will discover an incredible loss of income


The financial pyramid with smoking as it's foundation may/will crumble as people shift to vaping and find they no longer want/need/desire or can tolerate poisoning their bodies with tobacco smoke.

It is my understanding that 'The mighty B' (in the past) has advocated outlawing smoking in your home, prohibiting smokers from adopting children and even suggested removing children from their homes if their parents are smokers. That too is insanity and gives a glimpse of the lengths to which ASH and others are willing to go to force their will on others.

When one realizes the massive financial impact vaping is already having it becomes clear why this 'battle' will continue to attract Big T, Big P, Uncle Sammy's FDA and others fighting for their 'financial' lives.

We are fighting for ours - and I am thrilled to say that with my P/V
I AM WINNING!

Never having been one to ascribe to the plethora of conspiracy theories.... or surround my life in the negativity of mainstream's attempts to belittle the individual, this issue is opening my eyes to the extreme reality that truly holds no respect for my intelligence and right to choose what's best for me.

There is a reason I sign off with:

30 years of smoking....
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
 

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Let Siegel counter him with logic and facts. Best of all, read Nitzkin's letter to the FDA, compared to Banzhaf's PR post.

Still, it is beyond regrettable that ASH has become a major anti force against e-smoking. Every name he is called here only hardens opposition -- from all corners of the spectrum. This is not a man to dismiss lightly. We are his next trophy kill.

And I have to wonder: Who has more influence over public opinion and government action, Siegel or Banzhaf? I think I know.
 

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Let Siegel counter him with logic and facts. Best of all, read Nitzkin's letter to the FDA, compared to Banzhaf's PR post.

Still, it is beyond regrettable that ASH has become a major anti force against e-smoking. Every name he is called here only hardens opposition -- from all corners of the spectrum. This is not a man to dismiss lightly. We are his next trophy kill.

And I have to wonder: Who has more influence over public opinion and government action, Siegel or Banzhaf? I think I know.
You are right as of now. However, with every new rant and insane release, he opens himself just a bit, digs a little hole, that over time gets deeper.
 

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My first P/V arrived June 15.
Since then I have basically been able to 'choose' if I really wanted to have a cigarette.
Addiction to them is powerful and my observations include the following:
Thousands of 'smokers' are having excellent success when they decide to substitute vaping for .... logs.
Even many who had no intention of quiting smoking are discovering they just don't want/need/like to smoke after a period of vaping.

Rmember - vaping threatens the status-quo of
Big Tobacco - sales
Big Pharmacy- sales
FDA - by 2012 I believe they are to receive 850 million from Big Tobacco to fund Tobacco regulation
Federal Government- taxes
Non-profit organizations - Am Lung association, Cancer.orgswhoever, they survive via donations and grants
Researchers - attempting to find a cure for something that doesn't occur as often because smoking is no longer part of the equation - well you just don't have the same 'need' or stats to back up your funding
Doctors/Hospitals - while the truly ethical ones are showing support on an individual basis as patients drop ciggies for vaping - as an industry health care will discover an incredible loss of income

The financial pyramid with smoking as it's foundation may/will crumble as people shift to vaping and find they no longer want/need/desire or can tolerate poisoning their bodies with tobacco smoke.

It is my understanding that 'The mighty B' (in the past) has advocated outlawing smoking in your home, prohibiting smokers from adopting children and even suggested removing children from their homes if their parents are smokers. That too is insanity and gives a glimpse of the lengths to which ASH and others are willing to go to force their will on others.

When one realizes the massive financial impact vaping is already having it becomes clear why this 'battle' will continue to attract Big T, Big P, Uncle Sammy's FDA and others fighting for their 'financial' lives.

We are fighting for ours - and I am thrilled to say that with my P/V
I AM WINNING!

Never having been one to ascribe to the plethora of conspiracy theories.... or surround my life in the negativity of mainstream's attempts to belittle the individual, this issue is opening my eyes to the extreme reality that truly holds no respect for my intelligence and right to choose what's best for me.

There is a reason I sign off with:

30 years of smoking....
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!

This is fabulous. I wonder if it could be published - gotta change .... logs though - love it!
 

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I think it all goes to prove that these people have some much deeper agenda than worrying about peoples health and welfare. Perhaps it's nothing more complicated than the Psychology of the fact that smokers finding an alternative to smoking that they had never dreamt of makes them feel like they are loosing their 'fight' against us. Perhaps they just feel it 'defeats' them and nobody likes to 'loose'....... Human Psychology is pretty bizarre.
 
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Speaking of insanity... have you read Siegel's blog today? The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary Today's headline "Despite 98 Suicides and 188 Suicide Attempts Reported Among Chantix Users and No Deaths Reported for E-Cigarettes, FDA Would Rather You Use Chantix "

All I can says is"WOW"8-o

From the article:

More importantly perhaps, why are anti-smoking groups calling for the removal of e-cigarettes from the market when we are not aware of any documented severe adverse effects, yet they are not calling for the removal of Chantix from the market even though we know this drug is probably killing people?

Death is the ultimate stop smoking aid I suppose.

These anti-smoking Nazis ARE indeed Nazi in the pure sense of the word. Only thing different between Hitler and Banzalf is at least when the Jews were tossed into the oven, they were already dead. Banzalf prefers a slow, lingering and painful death for smokers. :nah:

That guy is a pure nutjob.
 

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Death is the ultimate stop smoking aid I suppose.

These anti-smoking Nazis ARE indeed Nazi in the pure sense of the word. Only thing different between Hitler and Banzalf is at least when the Jews were tossed into the oven, they were already dead. Banzalf prefers a slow, lingering and painful death for smokers. :nah:

That guy is a pure nutjob.

Agreed, but one would almost have to think he must have a vested intrest in chantix or other BP products. I'm sure he doesn't rant for free, although I'm sure he does enjoy being able to spout off whatever ridiculous claims he can.
Side-note... your video calling him out was spot on and absolutely great!!!
 

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He's right up there with Joseph Goebbels as a master propagandist. It's really sad that people are all to happy to goose step to his truth twisting. It seems the people who most dine at his table are people in high places in health care, too.

Do they stop to ponder that the product might actually BE 99% safer than smoking, and it could save the lives of millions of people??? I'm still befuddled that someone who has spent his career fighting tobacco would do what he's doing to ecigs.
 
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