introducing an overeating exsmoker to ecigs? moral?

[jiveman]

Exactly what most Doctors will tell you...quitting smoking is GOOD!
Now you need to lose some of that weight, it's BAD.
And round and round we go.
And sometimes we even consult with a Doctor for help!
¶ Some interesting reading from Vocalek, regarding nicotine cessation.

yea my father has mentioned he's never felt so unhealthy in his life after quitting smoking. i think if a quit is not handled correctly the body takes a beating. not only the distress we face daily trying to deal with the triggers and such, (which seem ALWAYS to be present in some form throughout the rest of our lives) but the shock to our bodies in general.

most people have smoked for most of their adult life, so it's not surprising our bodies sometimes never recover easily from this change.

just goes to show the nature of addiction this severe. what a terrible thing.

 

[jude8753]

jiveRock, you do what you have to do. Many of us have a problem with the hand to mouth and in my opinion the 0 nic will do the job and keep your Dad occupied and maybe he will forget he wants to stick food in there and just vape and have fun with vapor. It's hard to break that habit. I applaud your Dad for giving up the cig vise, but knowing what to do without your best friend is hard and we sub for other ways to make up. All the best to you and Dad.

 

[mn shutterbug]

I know nicotine is far from healthy. It does take a toll on a person's heart and arteries, but he is eating so badly that it may be the best alternative, since nothing else has seemed to work.

How is nicotine hard on a person's heart and arteries?

 

[jiveman]

How is nicotine hard on a person's heart and arteries?

In the cardiovascular system, nicotine increases heart rate and blood pressure and restricts blood flow to the heart muscle.

Maybe I'm wrong about the arteries, but I know it's not good for your heart over time, but some have said it's about as bad as coffee, so i don't know.

 

[Kate51]

jiveRock, I'm going to paste a link here for a whole LOT of Threads reference Nicotine.
It is surprising to many people that it does indeed have many redeeming qualities. For years we've been led to believe how BAD nicotine was....it was in cigarettes, and snus, and causes cancer and everything. Well, seems to be not exactly correct. It's the combusting plant material + 4000 other chemicals that will KILL you. SMOKE KILLS.
Nicotine can be a pathfinder for addiction: but these days, there is much research and therapies already in use for such things as ADD, ADHD, MS, Schizophrenia, dementia, Parkinson's, Alzheimers, lupus, irritable bowel sydrome and others, on and on.
Please look through them and re-aquaint yourself to nicotine. I have life-long ADD. Without nicotine, my short- and long-term memory recall is horrible, I can not function under stress without panic and fear (attention) and confusion (problem solving and reflex). So if I need to multi-task I better get it done before company comes!! I'm 63 years old and my BP is generally around 110/63. That's one. Vaping 12mg/ml juice (pretty low dose) helps my brain function tremendously/why I was smoking in the first place!
My Grandson has ADHD (five of seven grkids and my two kids, all ADD), and was a candidate for nicotine therapy after they quit his meds, zombie pills. Best of luck! You're a great kid!

E-Cigarette Forum - Threads Tagged with nicotine

The following one is recommended highly, a lot of insight on what I was just talking about.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...roves-nicotine-produces-positive-effects.html

This is a lot of comprehensive data, but well worth checking this all if possible.

 

[Tooter]

Put it this way, id rather be overweight and vaping than normal weight and smoking

 

[gashin]

Ever since I quit smoking my BP has dropped from 136/90 to 109/78 at my last checkup with heavy vaping and nasal snuff use.... I don't think nicotine has had any negative effects on me by itself... in fact nicotine is by far the most effective drug in preventing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's.....

 

[jiveman]

Ever since I quit smoking my BP has dropped from 136/90 to 109/78 at my last checkup with heavy vaping and nasal snuff use.... I don't think nicotine has had any negative effects on me by itself... in fact nicotine is by far the most effective drug in preventing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's.....

yea it's very intersting. i can go much longer without nicotine now that i vape, and i'm generally in a very calm, relaxed mood most of the day. it's a far cry from my anxiousness while smoking cigarettes. i couldn't go 15 minutes without feeling like i couldn't think or function, now i can easily go an hour before a slight feeling arises that says "a vape would be nice".

it's strange because I know i'm getting way more nicotine now than i ever was. i'm maybe going to attribute the jittery/anxious/"can't function" feelings to the 4k plus chemicals in cigarettes, or the MAOIs in tobacco.






anyways, as an update to this post. i decided not to get my father involved again in the ritual of smoking/vaping, and certainly am not going to introduce nicotine. i made this decision after realizing how much is lost when a person gets caught in that trap of addiction (and how harmful it is for someone who has escaped it to some degree) he may be using food as his new addiction, but this is more than likely a simpler issue, or should be treated as such initially. my opinion has changed, and i now feel it will be too difficult for him to dissociate the vaping experience from smoking. The reason most of us enjoy vaping is because nicotine is involved. for someone not receiving this nicotine, the experience just becomes a ritualistic behavior very reminiscent of smoking. i'm working with him now to recognize why he is "snacking" instead, and hoping his habits change through various cognitive-behavioral techniques.

thank you everyone for your opinions and advice. it helped tremendously.

 

[THE]

yea my father has mentioned he's never felt so unhealthy in his life after quitting smoking. i think if a quit is not handled correctly the body takes a beating. not only the distress we face daily trying to deal with the triggers and such, (which seem ALWAYS to be present in some form throughout the rest of our lives) but the shock to our bodies in general.

most people have smoked for most of their adult life, so it's not surprising our bodies sometimes never recover easily from this change.

just goes to show the nature of addiction this severe. what a terrible thing.

One won't "feel" healthy when always full of salt fat and sugar .. just a thought

 

[THE]

yea it's very intersting. i can go much longer without nicotine now that i vape, and i'm generally in a very calm, relaxed mood most of the day. it's a far cry from my anxiousness while smoking cigarettes. i couldn't go 15 minutes without feeling like i couldn't think or function, now i can easily go an hour before a slight feeling arises that says "a vape would be nice".

it's strange because I know i'm getting way more nicotine now than i ever was. i'm maybe going to attribute the jittery/anxious/"can't function" feelings to the 4k plus chemicals in cigarettes, or the MAOIs in tobacco.



anyways, as an update to this post. i decided not to get my father involved again in the ritual of smoking/vaping, and certainly am not going to introduce nicotine. i made this decision after realizing how much is lost when a person gets caught in that trap of addiction (and how harmful it is for someone who has escaped it to some degree) he may be using food as his new addiction, but this is more than likely a simpler issue, or should be treated as such initially. my opinion has changed, and i now feel it will be too difficult for him to dissociate the vaping experience from smoking. The reason most of us enjoy vaping is because nicotine is involved. for someone not receiving this nicotine, the experience just becomes a ritualistic behavior very reminiscent of smoking. i'm working with him now to recognize why he is "snacking" instead, and hoping his habits change through various cognitive-behavioral techniques.

thank you everyone for your opinions and advice. it helped tremendously.

That's great that you can go longer without nicotine. I think for people like my sister and I, we are getting a steadier flow of nicotine.. More time spent in "nicotine normal".. Ordinary smokers who have to light up and smoke a predetermined amount and stop at a predetermined point spend MOST of their day in withdrawl. Especially employed smokers. That's because as soon as ten minutes after using nicotine, withdrawl symptoms start to creep up on you... by the time that 30, 60 or 240 minutes comes around most people are very uncomfortable. With cigarettes, you'd have to smoke a couple of packs or more every day to stay in nicotine normal.

With an e-cig.. I don't have to have a "whole cigarette at a time" or "wait an hour between cigarettes" to avoid smoking a pack or two a day. I can vape how and when I want. So in that hour where I'd swing from too much down to not enough nicotine ALL DAY EVERY DAY I am leveled off. All day.

Then of course like most smokers I always thought that nicotine relieved stress. I don't believe that, now. I know that stressful situations cause your body to "get rid of" nicotine VERY quickly. Administering it during a period of stress is just treating the accelerated onset withdrawl. Tricking us into thinking it's helping with the stress.

I'm with you on not waking the beast of addiction. Using a substance to deal with anything you can deal with another way is substance abuse, in my book. Sure, maybe one in one hundred or so people MAY benefit from nicotine in some way. But for a vast majority of people nicotine leads down a road of suffering and loss. I'm not trying to come off as one of the demonizers of nicotine itself. But a spade IS a spade. This one just happens to chop more heads off than it digs gardens. Simple as that.

I'm confident that if your father can stay active, eat the right things, maybe a little less food, he'll feel great. A lot of people never "relearn" to eat after quitting smoking. One very important thing is that food will NEVER give you that instant release of sugar into the blood.

You don't eat UNTIL you feel full. You have to eat and WAIT AWHILE until you feel full. It WORKS, believe it or not!! Drinking water helps, too. . . And there are ways of making the stomach feel full without using a-lot of calories. I will bow to someone elses expertise on that one and shut up my keys, now

 

[THE]

By the way.. I can prove what I'm saying about food and blood sugar, very simply. How many smokers do you know (myself included.. I still want nicotine to finish a meal.) who just don't feel "full" or "content" until they have that "after dinner cigarette"...

It's a matter of waiting for the body to relearn regulating its own blood sugar AND learning how to alter your eating habits to accommodate the "new" 20 minute "waiting time".

 

[WillieB69]

My own two cents:

Even though the OP has decided not to go through with his plan, I think it may have been a good idea. Esecially if you use a zero nic food flavored juice.

Here's why: Taste and smells can actually fool the body into thinking it is full. That is also the reason so many vapers here report that they are not eating as much and/or loosing weight. Mentally, you know you're not eating but the brain is tricked into believing otherwise because the tastes from the juice are triggering the right chemicals. As a result, they are not as inclined to go grab a Twinkie or a bag of Doritos.

The kicker to making this work is having a large variety of juices. You don't always feel like eating the same thing. If all you have around is green apple e-juice and you're hungry for chocolate, it isn't going to work. Try keeping as many different food flavors as possible to match up to whatever foods he may be craving. That way he's reaching for the juice and not more food.

The end result should be less of a desire to eat in order to passify cravings which will result in less snacking and eventually some weight loss.

 

[THE]

My own two cents:

Even though the OP has decided not to go through with his plan, I think it may have been a good idea. Esecially if you use a zero nic food flavored juice.

Here's why: Taste and smells can actually fool the body into thinking it is full. That is also the reason so many vapers here report that they are not eating as much and/or loosing weight. Mentally, you know you're not eating but the brain is tricked into believing otherwise because the tastes from the juice are triggering the right chemicals. As a result, they are not as inclined to go grab a Twinkie or a bag of Doritos.

The kicker to making this work is having a large variety of juices. You don't always feel like eating the same thing. If all you have around is green apple e-juice and you're hungry for chocolate, it isn't going to work. Try keeping as many different food flavors as possible to match up to whatever foods he may be craving. That way he's reaching for the juice and not more food.

The end result should be less of a desire to eat in order to passify cravings which will result in less snacking and eventually some weight loss.

So you're saying that a certain taste/smell can trigger the same dopamine reward that consuming actual food would?? Sounds plausible, I imagine... I'll have to do some reading about this concept. Sounds interesting!

 

[jiveman]

By the way.. I can prove what I'm saying about food and blood sugar, very simply. How many smokers do you know (myself included.. I still want nicotine to finish a meal.) who just don't feel "full" or "content" until they have that "after dinner cigarette"...

It's a matter of waiting for the body to relearn regulating its own blood sugar AND learning how to alter your eating habits to accommodate the "new" 20 minute "waiting time".

You don't eat UNTIL you feel full. You have to eat and WAIT AWHILE until you feel full. It WORKS, believe it or not!! Drinking water helps, too. . . And there are ways of making the stomach feel full without using a-lot of calories. I will bow to someone elses expertise on that one and shut up my keys, now

Two excellent points right there. I've never had to think about that because I've always been very skinny, but nicotine is an appetite suppressant as we know. Very important how many people will feel "full" with the after meal cig. Thinking back now, there are so many times i'm not actually full, but my mind tells me "a cigarette would be great right now" when my meal is nearing it's end. I then get that larger hit of stimulant, and suddenly I'm completely satisfied and full, prematurely stopping myself from finishing the food in front of me. That is what I noticed in my father. That he couldn't reach that "full" feeling any longer after quitting smoking. I love the advice about having him find ways to make himself feel more full without actually in-taking more food. I'll have to research those methods, like the increase in water in-take.

My own two cents:

Even though the OP has decided not to go through with his plan, I think it may have been a good idea. Esecially if you use a zero nic food flavored juice.

Here's why: Taste and smells can actually fool the body into thinking it is full. That is also the reason so many vapers here report that they are not eating as much and/or loosing weight. Mentally, you know you're not eating but the brain is tricked into believing otherwise because the tastes from the juice are triggering the right chemicals. As a result, they are not as inclined to go grab a Twinkie or a bag of Doritos.

The kicker to making this work is having a large variety of juices. You don't always feel like eating the same thing. If all you have around is green apple e-juice and you're hungry for chocolate, it isn't going to work. Try keeping as many different food flavors as possible to match up to whatever foods he may be craving. That way he's reaching for the juice and not more food.

The end result should be less of a desire to eat in order to passify cravings which will result in less snacking and eventually some weight loss.

I think that is an interesting idea, but i'd have to wonder if a person is not receiving the appetite suppressant qualities of nicotine, whether this method would be successful-- considering they'd still feel full despite tasting just the flavor. I bet if the fullness issue was resolved, and it was more just a craving for taste on their part, this would be very successful, at least for ex smokers though, so it's probably something valid to try out.