Introducing... my bottom feeding mod (MyMod)

[paulw2014]

FDA decision likely to spur lawsuits from e-cig manufacturers, vape shops and others

 

[pwheeler]

Paul, I do think there's going to be a flurry of lawsuits that'll slow things down.

 

[havok333]

And hopefully some grownups will come along to get rid of this crap!

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[m3th1dz]

Bongs aren't taking tax money out of the govenments pockets or they would be.

I believe they are covered under the new regulations as well

 

[paulw2014]

Paul, I do think there's going to be a flurry of lawsuits that'll slow things down.

The "good news" is that vaping is too big now, even compared to 3 years ago. It's "mainstream" now so it'd be pretty hard for the FDA to decimate this industry, which is what will happen if those rules go into effect without any change. It will kill a lot of jobs and make many people unhappy. The government just want their money so why would they kill the golden goose? Much better that they "regulate" it properly and taken any necessary tax dollars they want than managing this in such a heavy handed manner.

I'm not sure how the FDA works but are those rules set in stone now (all or nothing) or do they allow for later amendments?

 

[havok333]

The "good news" is that vaping is too big now, even compared to 3 years ago. It's "mainstream" now so it'd be pretty hard for the FDA to decimate this industry, which is what will happen if those rules go into effect without any change. It will kill a lot of jobs and make many people unhappy. The government just want their money so why would they kill the golden goose? Much better that they "regulate" it properly and taken any necessary tax dollars they want than managing this in such a heavy handed manner.

I'm not sure how the FDA works but are those rules set in stone now (all or nothing) or do they allow for later amendments?

I would think future FDA leadership could easily strike it away.

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[supertrunker]

Not so. Only Congress has the power to change laws. Any agency that relies on government for its funding must be seen to be doing something, anything to justify that expenditure.

If the FDA did not pursue those deeming regulations, then what is its purpose at all? It is, after all, saving America from the deadly threat of nicotine that is a) not addictive unless mixed with other chemicals b) attractive to children, since they are born yearning for it and are the only beings on the face of the earth that appreciate fruit flavours.

T

 

[Slots]

If the FDA did not pursue those deeming regulations, then what is its purpose at all? It is, after all, saving America from the deadly threat of nicotine that is a) not addictive unless mixed with other chemicals b) attractive to children, since they are born yearning for it and are the only beings on the face of the earth that appreciate fruit flavours.
T

The more eloquent your sarcasm, the more I know it's getting to ya
I wish I could express myself as well.
Once I get going, I tend to go overboard ... think I wait to long before expressing myself
Always look forward to your thoughts

 

[B2L]

The more eloquent your sarcasm, the more I know it's getting to ya
I wish I could express myself as well.
Once I get going, I tend to go overboard ... think I wait to long before expressing myself
Always look forward to your thoughts

Trunker does have a gift

 

[Train2]

If I express myself here, today, you won't see anything. Then I'll get banned. Or spanked. Or whatever the mod squad does when you post a paragraph that gets auto-censored almost entirely.

 

[ST Dog]

I'm not sure how the FDA works but are those rules set in stone now (all or nothing) or do they allow for later amendments?

They could delay the new rules. There is debate about whether the could move the deeming date (2007) w/o congress.

Once in place, it gets harder to change due to required periods for public comment. That's part of why it's been 2 years since the proposal before the final rule. They would have liked to do this 2 years ago.

 

[sarndt0]

From another thread - Consider putting another connection somewhere and calling it a flashlight.

 

[junquedujour]

doesn't fasttech sell a 510 connector bulb thing so your vape can be a flashlight?

edit: yes they do. i searched on
flashlight 510
and they came up.

 

[Train2]

Yup.
Good for FDA and for the TSA, too, if they do something stooopid.
Might want to get the black or silver one, in case they ban colors. Colors appeal to children, you know.

 

[paulw2014]

So the key is to make the mod dual use?

But how are they going to sell atties?

 

[Train2]

Honestly, no one has any idea how or if they might try to enforce this nonsense.
It seems as if it's an attempt to regulate mods out of existence, in favor of a cigalike-only, 3-flavor industry.
Obviously, that isn't going to happen - but we won't know, probably for a couple years and maybe a couple lawsuits, how it shakes out.

There is NO WAY to prevent people buying little metal gadgets, from all over the world. Or batteries. Or food flavoring. Or Vegetable Glycerine.

I think the question "what will happen to U.S. mod-makers"? is one of the toughest ones.
So far, there's no real answer - so people are suggesting we disguise define the products as something else - like a flashlight.

So the key is to make the mod dual use?

But how are they going to sell atties?

 

[paulw2014]

I think in the future, most vapors will turn to DYI juice, and you'd see thousands of flashlight shops around the country selling variable brightness flashlight with removable bulbs and kanthal filaments.

 

[supertrunker]

Nicotine liquid has always been the choke point in all this. Everything else is easily obtainable and will remain so.

It may be that there will be less innovation in the e-cig market and i see a lot of it going underground. How liquid manufacturers cope will be the real test, especially if they have to obtain approval for their ingredients etc. How many would even bother?

T

 

[67Tele]

I'm only stocking up of nicotine. Make my own NET extractions. As you say, all else can and will still be got.

 

[supertrunker]

Only HRH uses nicotine now - i stopped using it last year, so i'll get enough to last her 10 years or so and call it good.
What irritates me is not that i'll struggle, but that when this crap goes through other smokers will not be able to transition to non-smoking in the way i did. There is no justification for denying them that chance as far as i am concerned.

T