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crxess

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Well, it's a Godsent that Chinese companies like 'YiHi' are not in the business of making complex electronic aircraft navigation systems that people depend there life on to be accurate and reliable all the time.
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I don't think I would want a heart pacemaker that was built by any of these Chinese electronic companies surgically installed in my chest either.


oh well ....

Look at the reliability in even a real cheap basic 'flip' style cellphone ... Lots more electronics than in these mods were buying ... even a real cheap cellphone will last forever as long as there not thrown in the pool or dropped from the second floor to the sidewalk below.

About the only thing that goes wrong with them is that after a long period of time, they finally won't hold a charge anymore.

I really feel bad for these people that are buying those $300 Vapor Flasks .... Read the posts in that very long thread, and it's very obvious that the Vapor Flask is really really having problems with it's circuit board .... Seems to be crapping out on the majority of the units being purchased.

Again, another chip maker that don't need to be in the business of ever selling electronics to the medical or aerospace industry!

Kind of not thinking any of these Low cost board manufacturers are concerned with Aerospace or Medical sales - at least not at the cost/retail they are working with.
It is like you are equating Pinto's to Lambo's

.....and on what Planet are those cell phones. Around here replacement Warranty sales are through the roof due to failures. My kids alone go through 8-10 a year and they are adults.
 
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Marc .... just what I'm reading, that's all

I'm not jumping on you so I hope you didn't take it that way. I'm just saying the mod isn't the problem with the VF, the chip is and only 5% (or so they say) were bad. Maybe I am lucky but mine is great.

I did buy two chips in a CO-OP that had to go back for exchange, again a US made chip.

If you do a search you'll find that all the mods I mentioned are having issues with the chip. And please don't get me wrong, I own a IPV and I'm happy with is for a $50 mod that I can pocket and honestly not have to worry about it if I drop it in the lake. And yes I fish to much and have offered many cell phones and PV's to the fishing gods (all ego's).

The industry is moving at lightening speed and I honestly believe everyone can improve their QC, including the states. It's a race to get out the latest and greatest and collect the cash before the industry levels out or the FDA screws us.
 

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Well, the circuit board / chipset in the Mini more than likely cost about $5 in China to manufacture.

I am thinking if they [doubled] the price of manufacture to $10 for a higher quality board (same basic specs), most customers wouldn't mind paying the extra 5 bucks for a more reliable unit.

But, what do I know ...

What would be Interesting is to know the Actual Failure Rate of an APV like the IPV Mini?

There is an Old Say'n in the Restaurant business.

If you get a Good Meal, you will tell a Few people.

If you get a OK Meal, you will probably Not Tell anyone.

But. If you get a Bad Meal, you will tell a Every Person you know.

Sometimes I wonder when I read about someone who posts about an APV that Died, or one that came DOA, how many people are there who have had No Problems? But haven't posted saying so.
 

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The industry is moving at lightening speed and I honestly believe everyone can improve their QC, including the states. It's a race to get out the latest and greatest and collect the cash before the industry levels out or the FDA screws us.

You can Also factor in that Whatever an OEM makes, it will be Cloned in a matter of Weeks. Maybe Less.
 

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It's a great point zoiD, I have two (silver and black) that so far have been pretty solid but I've held off posting because it sometimes creates conflict.

Yeah... I have a Black one ( an L0800 ) and I have had No Problems what so ever with it.

ETA: Actually, I did have One Issue with my IPV Mini. And that was the Knurling on the Cap was Very Sharp.

But some people may Like it that way. And I expect to Break Edges with a piece of Sandpaper or a File on most Machined parts. Because things like De-Burr is a Lost Art. And Sharp Edges are the Rule and Not the Exception these days.
 
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I'm right there with you until this...
.....and on what Planet are those cell phones. Around here replacement Warranty sales are through the roof due to failures. My kids alone go through 8-10 a year and they are adults.
I find it hard to believe that your kids go through 8 to 10 cell phones a year. What kind of phones are they buying? Since 1993, I've had two replaced under warranty. My G1 had a screen problem, and I dropped a Nexus 4 into a large cup of coffee. My wife has had one replaced because of a boot loop. 3 in 22 years. Well, 2 if you don't count the Nexus 4.
 

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Well, so far, my Mini is chugging along real good, but I am not giving my mechanical tube mod away just yet.

No electronics to screw up, and as long as I don't drop it hard enough to actually deform it ... it should last as long as my days on this planet. :)

LOL, it's funny you would say that since I just picked up my mech while I stilling at my desk. I'll never get ride of my tubes!
 

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I'm right there with you until this...

I find it hard to believe that your kids go through 8 to 10 cell phones a year. What kind of phones are they buying? Since 1993, I've had two replaced under warranty. My G1 had a screen problem, and I dropped a Nexus 4 into a large cup of coffee. My wife has had one replaced because of a boot loop. 3 in 22 years. Well, 2 if you don't count the Nexus 4.

That is between 4 kids. :) We are not them and likely have had more time to get the responsibility thing in hand. My LG is over 6yrs. old and my previous Nokia was only put to rest by force when everything went Digital.
I do have a small stack of worthless Motorola Flips that never lasted 6months.:glare:

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Now this all about as irrelevant as busting on a manufacturer because ONE person has had a clear issue<out of how many already in use?>
How many U.S. made Rockets never reached Space?
Tech fails
Things go wrong
Perfection is owned by NO Country

LOL - and right now, I have my Maraxus in hand.
IPV mini can't handle the .3ohm build in my Orchid V4................... But it Rocks the Orchid V3 .6ohm:D
 
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I can Build an APV that has Every Feature under the Sun. With a Wattage Range from 1 ~ 200W that has a 99.999999999999999% Reliability Rate. No Problem.

But can I do it for an APV that is slated to sell Retail for 50 Bucks?

Would you rather pay 70 for same mod with better QC and knowing that it won't crap in the bed after 10 days? I think the unit overall is pretty good for what it is. I just hate that China has such poor QC especially when they sub contract.
The good thing is the unit has a 6 month warranty. How well the warranty service holds up is yet to be tested.
I hope none of us have to find out.


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I really feel bad for these people that are buying those $300 Vapor Flasks .... Read the posts in that very long thread, and it's very obvious that the Vapor Flask is really really having problems with it's circuit board .... Seems to be crapping out on the majority of the units being purchased.

Again, another chip maker that don't need to be in the business of ever selling electronics to the medical or aerospace industry!

As with any new technology there are bound to be bugs. A batch of bad boards made it into circulation and thats unfortunate but as a proud owner of two vapor flasks (V1 DNA30 and V2 DNA40) both performing beautifully I think the VF is an outstanding piece of craftsmanship and I wouldn't trade them for anything else out there right now.
 

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Long Q-tps and Alcohol on the contacts. What you are describing perfectly fits Poor Battery Contact.

eVic pulled that one on me. Fiddled with it for 2 evenings before thinking about the upper battery pin under the control head.:facepalm:

Skin on waxed paper in a baggy. :)
That was my first thought no change unfortunately. Now the problem is not intermittent it's constant the scrambled screen every time I insert the battery. because of the convenience I was swapping batteries in my IPV mini when needed but if this turns out to be a weak spot in the mini I may install a battery in the replacement and leave it there and just charge thru USB. I unfortunately did not think about the wax paper nor was I overly careful in removing the skin ( was a little ...... at the time...LOL) so that is $13.50 down the crapper. We'll see how Vapor Range chooses to handle this. I was very impressed with their communication and speed of delivery on my pre order, I hope to be as equally pleased with their customer service on this matter. I'll keep everyone posted on how it goes.
 

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Would you rather pay 70 for same mod with better QC and knowing that it won't crap in the bed after 10 days? I think the unit overall is pretty good for what it is. I just hate that China has such poor QC especially when they sub contract.
The good thing is the unit has a 6 month warranty. How well the warranty service holds up is yet to be tested.
I hope none of us have to find out.


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Remember: You are asking Someone who paid 50 Bucks for one that works fine.

What do you consider to be Acceptable Quality Control? 1 Bad unit out off 100? ie: 1% Failure Rate.
 

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Cap batch # L0981, Silver, purchased off a vendor on Ebay a week ago: no issues, performing well. It's powering an Orchid V4 wrapped @ .6 ohms with rayon wicks and performing exceptionally well.

I'm sorry to hear that there are a few faulty ones that made it out, but that comes with anything produced or mass produced. There are always duds.
 

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That was my first thought no change unfortunately. Now the problem is not intermittent it's constant the scrambled screen every time I insert the battery. because of the convenience I was swapping batteries in my IPV mini when needed but if this turns out to be a weak spot in the mini I may install a battery in the replacement and leave it there and just charge thru USB. I unfortunately did not think about the wax paper nor was I overly careful in removing the skin ( was a little ...... at the time...LOL) so that is $13.50 down the crapper. We'll see how Vapor Range chooses to handle this. I was very impressed with their communication and speed of delivery on my pre order, I hope to be as equally pleased with their customer service on this matter. I'll keep everyone posted on how it goes.

Wish you the best. Definitely sounds like a dirty or Loose connection. Unfortunately it could be anything from a wire to an IC.

As to China Quality.
I purchased an eVic off the First Run. Joyetech Recalled a Defective Head - about 5000 units effected - (RECALLED) Our purchases were through a large Co-op buy. Joyetech STILL REPLACED all the effected heads. They also said JUST DISPOSE of the old ones. No need to Return, No need to Wait for repairs - of course this was a one piece replacement. Looking at the layout, I would rather Swap batteries than USB charge. To many eVics got bricked by the USB port. Never used mine.

I Still have and use BOTH daily. I simply purchased an 18350 tube/cap and have had NO issues with the supposed Defect.
A few of the Provari Clan Harassed me almost weekly for the first 6 months about china junk. Hmmmmmm.........

I am hoping to get every bit as much use out of these.
 

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A few of the Provari Clan Harassed me almost weekly for the first 6 months about china junk. Hmmmmmm.........

I am hoping to get every bit as much use out of these.

I have 4 Provari including the P3. Never had an issue with any of them that wasn't user error. My Evic sits on my desk because it just stopped working. It never worked correctly.
I like this mod and I hope that once they saturate the market they have a very small percentage of defect.

Maybe a little more R&D before taking them to market would have been better.

You and both agree the finish is flimsy. You may be OK refinishing yours. I'm not. OHMS reading low may be OK some for me not so much.


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As with any new technology there are bound to be bugs. A batch of bad boards made it into circulation and thats unfortunate but as a proud owner of two vapor flasks (V1 DNA30 and V2 DNA40) both performing beautifully I think the VF is an outstanding piece of craftsmanship and I wouldn't trade them for anything else out there right now.

funny, that's how i feel about the yihi sx mini. i just feel the sx350 mini board and all yihi boards are just better than the comparable evolv boards. the sx mini is the mod that will make people re-think their ideas about chinese QC. i never had any doubt they could build quality if they wanted to. if you've ever heard of marlow boats you know they can build the absolute best if they want to. heck, any place can if they put the time and effort into it... now back to your regularly scheduled programming.....
 
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