Considering my total cost of ownership on cigarettes was roughly 4725 dollars a year, not counting ummm, death, who cares if e-smoking is half that without the death. The lack of death is what I'd call a decent value add. That's just my opinion.
Is a 'MOD' Device Really Cheaper In The Long Run?
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The way i figure my savings is simple, I used to spend $400 a month on analogs for me and the wife. I know spend $85 bout every 2.5 weeks on liquid and maybe 20 on parts. I have cut my habbit cost in half, and I get to breathe better to boot.
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True. It's all part of the journey. That's why I tell newbies to skip MY journey and go straight for the mods. It may sound like a lot of money but it's really not when you add up all those extra things you buy just hoping to get a good vape.
There is definitely an increase in juice consumption at higher voltage. For some it's immense, for others it's tremendous, and for others it's quite a bit. I chug apx. 3.5 on my 510, but on the magnum I borrowed from BFC I was merrily putting away 5-6 without straining myself. 
liquid used is rather like tobacco smoked.. for some it would be 10 cigs a day for others it would be 50 cigs a day..
your figures are just made up ones chef and therefore meaningless..
a higher voltage device could use more liquid.. it all depends one how many of those real cigarettes a user is trying to emulate..
i can quote my own usage.. i am a heavy user..
one atomizer every couple of weeks for peak performance.. put your own price them..
a pair of 16340 batteries from experience and much of it.. lets say two months on average.. cost pretty low..
2.5 ml of fluid per day.. put your own price on it.. fluid use being the same on a normal but good condition 901 as a so called mod device.. in other words i use what liquid i need..
my previous 901 use..
a pair of battereis every two weeks.. put your own price on them..
one atomizer every two weeks put you own price on it..
2.5 ml of fluid per day.. the same as..
i also get much feedback from users.. anybody who uses 6 or 7 ml per days is just blowing vapour into the air or killing themselves.. or in simple terms producing vapour for the sake of it..
if one real cig has 1 mg of nicotine.. one ml of 36mg liquid x 7 = 236 real cigs..
time for a f-cking reality check i recon.. time to ask yourself exactly why you are using e cigs.. perhaps time to even question your own sanity... he he he
trog
ps... do i waste liquid.. nope... do i inhale any more of this glycerol stuff than i need to.. nope.. why do i e smoke.. to satisfy my craving for nicotine.. am i sane.. vaguely so... he he
are some of you lot fruitloops... i think so.. ??
your figures are just made up ones chef and therefore meaningless..
a higher voltage device could use more liquid.. it all depends one how many of those real cigarettes a user is trying to emulate..
i can quote my own usage.. i am a heavy user..
one atomizer every couple of weeks for peak performance.. put your own price them..
a pair of 16340 batteries from experience and much of it.. lets say two months on average.. cost pretty low..
2.5 ml of fluid per day.. put your own price on it.. fluid use being the same on a normal but good condition 901 as a so called mod device.. in other words i use what liquid i need..
my previous 901 use..
a pair of battereis every two weeks.. put your own price on them..
one atomizer every two weeks put you own price on it..
2.5 ml of fluid per day.. the same as..
i also get much feedback from users.. anybody who uses 6 or 7 ml per days is just blowing vapour into the air or killing themselves.. or in simple terms producing vapour for the sake of it..
if one real cig has 1 mg of nicotine.. one ml of 36mg liquid x 7 = 236 real cigs..
time for a f-cking reality check i recon.. time to ask yourself exactly why you are using e cigs.. perhaps time to even question your own sanity... he he he
trog
ps... do i waste liquid.. nope... do i inhale any more of this glycerol stuff than i need to.. nope.. why do i e smoke.. to satisfy my craving for nicotine.. am i sane.. vaguely so... he he
are some of you lot fruitloops... i think so.. ??
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Trog
You are spot on. I use mods because for me they solve 90% of the problems associated with commerical PV's. I can's speak to HV units, but 3.7V here is my take.
1) manual switch, no more stuck or rusted vacuum switches
2) batteries, cost, performance, and vape time. Hands down a single 14500 lasts all day and into the night, after work I plug in a PT with manual switch. No more carring several batteries and charger to work.
3) repair, if something breaks I just replace the broken part after all I designed it and built it. Fixing it is easy.
I am a all day vapor, I use less than 3ml's per day ( 3ml @ $0.3/ml x 365 = $328). Always purchase 24mg and cut it with flavor to any strength I want. PG is cheep, flavoring is cheep.
To me, new and exciting PV's coming into the market place are nothing more than a model number!
These mods save mucho money!
You are spot on. I use mods because for me they solve 90% of the problems associated with commerical PV's. I can's speak to HV units, but 3.7V here is my take.
1) manual switch, no more stuck or rusted vacuum switches
2) batteries, cost, performance, and vape time. Hands down a single 14500 lasts all day and into the night, after work I plug in a PT with manual switch. No more carring several batteries and charger to work.
3) repair, if something breaks I just replace the broken part after all I designed it and built it. Fixing it is easy.
I am a all day vapor, I use less than 3ml's per day ( 3ml @ $0.3/ml x 365 = $328). Always purchase 24mg and cut it with flavor to any strength I want. PG is cheep, flavoring is cheep.
To me, new and exciting PV's coming into the market place are nothing more than a model number!
These mods save mucho money!
Forget the $$--for me, the mods (with higher power and longer battery life) simply provide a more satisfying vape. There are things in my life I'm simply willing to pay more for because I like them better. For example, I buy a particular brand of shoes because they fit my feet beautifully--they're comfy, last a long time, and look wonderful. $135 a pair and worth every penny to me.
The fact that batteries are less expensive is nice, but what is more important to me is that the batteries hold a charge longer and are non-proprietary (that is, I can buy them from non e-cig places).
I don't think I've every truly felt that mods were necessarily cheaper than traditional e-cigs--just maybe not quite as expensive as one might think because you do make up some savings on batteries.
For the atomizer cost, though, I don't think 2 months per atomizer is necessarily reflective of most folks' experience. I don't use an atomizer until it is dead, dead, dead . . . I replace when the performance starts to erode (and isn't fixed by cleaning). For me, that is typically 3-4 weeks, although I suspect 2-3 weeks would be even better.
Sorry so disjointed. I haven't had enough coffee yet.
There are things in my life I'm simply willing to pay more for because I like them better. For example, I buy a particular brand of shoes because they fit my feet beautifully--they're comfy, last a long time, and look wonderful. $135 a pair and worth every penny to me. The fact that batteries are less expensive is nice, but what is more important to me is that the batteries hold a charge longer and are non-proprietary (that is, I can buy them from non e-cig places).
I don't think I've every truly felt that mods were necessarily cheaper than traditional e-cigs--just maybe not quite as expensive as one might think because you do make up some savings on batteries.
For the atomizer cost, though, I don't think 2 months per atomizer is necessarily reflective of most folks' experience. I don't use an atomizer until it is dead, dead, dead . . . I replace when the performance starts to erode (and isn't fixed by cleaning). For me, that is typically 3-4 weeks, although I suspect 2-3 weeks would be even better.
Sorry so disjointed. I haven't had enough coffee yet.
BFC, I'd say this is a neat little experiment to try to compare associated costs. I do think it's noteworthy to specify if you are talking about high-voltage mods when you are comparing mods to a 901. My 3.7volt mod does not run any hotter nor burn through any extra liquids than it did as a factory 901 (just like Trog states in his post). Bump it up to 5volts and yes, I definitely drip more often to keep the atomizer wet and cool.
Zaxx, I would absolutely agree, but are you the average user that I believe BFC was trying to emulate in his calculations?
Zaxx, I would absolutely agree, but are you the average user that I believe BFC was trying to emulate in his calculations?
Just a quick note...
I'm a Prodigy user and even then I'm only vaping around 2-3ml a day. I just ordered some 11mg liquid so when that comes in that number may go up but if the cost becomes a bit much I will most likely just try to start ordering in bulk.
Brandon
I'm a Prodigy user and even then I'm only vaping around 2-3ml a day. I just ordered some 11mg liquid so when that comes in that number may go up but if the cost becomes a bit much I will most likely just try to start ordering in bulk.
Brandon
I vape a GG. I originally got it thinking I'd save money on batteries and also because I could buy the batteries at more places then "real" 901 batteries.
I'm not sure I'm really saving money, but the performance over the standard 901 (I use 901 atty's at 3.6V) was SO MUCH better that it's worth whatever money I'm *not* saving! Also, I can go all day on one battery and one charge. That too is worth it.
I think I go through about 3ml of 24mg a day, maybe a little less...I don't think it's much more then what I was using with the standard 901 set up.
I'm not sure I'm really saving money, but the performance over the standard 901 (I use 901 atty's at 3.6V) was SO MUCH better that it's worth whatever money I'm *not* saving! Also, I can go all day on one battery and one charge. That too is worth it.
I think I go through about 3ml of 24mg a day, maybe a little less...I don't think it's much more then what I was using with the standard 901 set up.
The topic of juice consumption is relative so that figure will float person to person. Much more so than the hardware. I'd say though if you can find your base consumption on a standard 901 a factor of 1.5x on a 3.7v, 1.75x on a 5v and 2x on 6v could safely be used to anticipate the increase in consumption when moving to a MOD.
Your atty figures, while perhaps a little optimistic, seem fine but the the one figure I question is the battery replacement. My 901 batteries were being replaced after about 4 to 5 weeks. Their life began rapidly diminishing in the 3rd or 4th week and they were unusable about a week later. That was just battery performance. There were several times a battery became unusable just do to liquid seepage into the switch, which made it unusable before the battery ever started diminishing.
You make a very good case though that they may be no cheaper to run though, especially since you can get a 901 battery for $8.50 now. I went to a mod when I was paying $18 - $20 for them. At that time it was cheaper, now, I'm not so sure.
Your atty figures, while perhaps a little optimistic, seem fine but the the one figure I question is the battery replacement. My 901 batteries were being replaced after about 4 to 5 weeks. Their life began rapidly diminishing in the 3rd or 4th week and they were unusable about a week later. That was just battery performance. There were several times a battery became unusable just do to liquid seepage into the switch, which made it unusable before the battery ever started diminishing.
You make a very good case though that they may be no cheaper to run though, especially since you can get a 901 battery for $8.50 now. I went to a mod when I was paying $18 - $20 for them. At that time it was cheaper, now, I'm not so sure.
Everyone has provided outstanding comments to the original post. My personal feeling is that the new mod devices stand out for so many more reasons than considering cost alone. So many new forum members are looking for the cheapest entry point into vaping and have not gone through the journey; you know exactly what I mean. They cannot seem to understand that a bigger upfront investment actually makes sense on so many levels. Perhaps we all need to experience the frustration of maintenance and upkeep to the dissatisfaction with performance to gain a better appreciation for a better device.
Some of my favorite statements from this thread include...
Forget the $$--for me, the mods (with higher power and longer battery life) simply provide a more satisfying vape. - JustJulie
Whatever it takes for me to not smoke is priceless. - stormynights
I'm not sure I'm really saving money, but the performance over the standard 901 (I use 901 atty's at 3.6V) was SO MUCH better that it's worth whatever money I'm *not* saving! - moonlight
That's why I tell newbies to skip MY journey and go straight for the MODS. It may sound like a lot of money but it's really not when you add up all those extra things you buy just hoping to get a good vape. - hobson
And you forgot to factor in the cost of anti-depressants using the 901 due to all the frustrations with stuck switches and inconsistent vapor and throat hit.- wv2win
Some of my favorite statements from this thread include...
Forget the $$--for me, the mods (with higher power and longer battery life) simply provide a more satisfying vape. - JustJulie
Whatever it takes for me to not smoke is priceless. - stormynights
I'm not sure I'm really saving money, but the performance over the standard 901 (I use 901 atty's at 3.6V) was SO MUCH better that it's worth whatever money I'm *not* saving! - moonlight
That's why I tell newbies to skip MY journey and go straight for the MODS. It may sound like a lot of money but it's really not when you add up all those extra things you buy just hoping to get a good vape. - hobson
And you forgot to factor in the cost of anti-depressants using the 901 due to all the frustrations with stuck switches and inconsistent vapor and throat hit.- wv2win
Cost of analogs @ $5.00 and 1 pack a day= $1825.00
Any vaping costs below that is okay with me. Ooops! I passed that number already.
Any vaping costs below that is okay with me. Ooops! I passed that number already.
My interest in a mod is only to get longer battery life. I'm not interested in higher voltage, I think the 510 is already fairly well balanced at 3.7 volts. Now, if someone comes up with a better atomizer/cartridge combination I might be interested in that.
Kevin
Kevin
they did the all in one things.. eveybody wanted them.. now they seem to have quietly faded away..
a story from my day.. someone has commissioned a 510 SD.. he sent some new atomizers and some old battery ends for us to make it..
okay so we made one.. i was impressed with the 510 atomizers.. more than enough vapour at 4 volts.. it does have a slight edge over the RN4075..
we direct dripped the pair of them..
but it also has more than enough vapour on its "brand new" normal batteries..
now for the interesting bit.. with testing out the pair.. 901 and 510.. i got my first nicotine overdose for a long long time..
strange sounding voice.. light headed weird dizzy feeling.. so i had a real cig to calm my nerves down... he he he
i was using 24 mg fluid.. but it proved one thing to me.. even with 4 volts these bloody thing can deliver an overdose of nicotine.. enough to worry me..
i seem to be different than most folks.. i dont like taking in too much glycerol.. i think trying to feed a nicotine addiction and cutting the nicotine strength in the taken in liquid is the wrong way to do it...
my choice is to go high strengh and smoke less.. nicotine i am happy with.. the long term effects of all this greasy glycerol stuff being breathed in is what bothers me..
trog
ps... one thing worth a comment.. are we getting a new breed of e smokers appearing.. i never enjoyed real cigs.. i simply smoked them to feed my nicotine addiction.. i e smoke for the same reason..
are we getting folks who e smoke simply because they enjoy it.. ??? this would explain the excessive liquid consumption whilst at the same time cutting the liquid nicotine levels down..
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trog: I have to admit that your last post, when carefully read, is very insightful. The information you provided was throroughly thought-provoking. You have done more testing, design and development than most of the vapers on the forum, and every once in a while, you send out a great tidbit for us to chew on.
So you needed a cigarette to level out your nic buzz? That is interesting. I agree that you can overdo the nicotine at any voltage, but I avoid tobacco. I hear it can kill you.
This one had me thinking. Assuming you want to quit smoking and eventually quit vaping altogether, you would normally consider reducing nicotine concentration of your juice and eventually step down to zero nic juice. At that point, vaping is purely habit, not physical/chemical addiction. In your situation, you do not care to reduce your nicotine addiction, rather, you feed it readily with higher concentration e-liquid, but reduce the amount you vapr to avoid too much VG, PG or whatever. Again, an interesting view of vaping.
I vape so I do not smoke. One is a direct substitution for the other. I cannot truthfully say I liked or did not like smoking. It was something I did, probably because Lorillard manufactured and engineered their products so I would want more of them. It is interesting that you were addicted to nicotine and are certain you did not like smoking. It seems that your Screwdriver should have taken care of that for you.
So you needed a cigarette to level out your nic buzz? That is interesting. I agree that you can overdo the nicotine at any voltage, but I avoid tobacco. I hear it can kill you.
This one had me thinking. Assuming you want to quit smoking and eventually quit vaping altogether, you would normally consider reducing nicotine concentration of your juice and eventually step down to zero nic juice. At that point, vaping is purely habit, not physical/chemical addiction. In your situation, you do not care to reduce your nicotine addiction, rather, you feed it readily with higher concentration e-liquid, but reduce the amount you vapr to avoid too much VG, PG or whatever. Again, an interesting view of vaping.
I vape so I do not smoke. One is a direct substitution for the other. I cannot truthfully say I liked or did not like smoking. It was something I did, probably because Lorillard manufactured and engineered their products so I would want more of them. It is interesting that you were addicted to nicotine and are certain you did not like smoking. It seems that your Screwdriver should have taken care of that for you.
I've been doing this for 40 days, I bought 2 901 kits @ 29.99, and a 5 pack of atomizers(34.99)
So i have 4 batteries, & 6 atomizers, 2 chargers. So far my batteries are all perfect condition. Rotate them all out daily. I don't see a problem with sticking with a non Mod device... yet. My thoughts may change if my batteries die....
So i have 4 batteries, & 6 atomizers, 2 chargers. So far my batteries are all perfect condition. Rotate them all out daily. I don't see a problem with sticking with a non Mod device... yet. My thoughts may change if my batteries die....
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