Is anyone scared?!
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Let's see....I've got 4 cordless phones, a cellphone, a laptop, 2 computers, and a PDA, all of which have re-chargeable batteries and are usually on chargers. I'm not any more worried about my ego than I am about those.
That fool was stacking the wrong batteries, in the wrong sort of mod. He did something stupid and dangerous and is now paying the price. Remember, anything that runs on a power output can technically blow up. But the chance of your run of the mill, properly powered and properly used PV (even a mod) blowing up is about unlikely as the computer you're typing on blowing up.
As for banning and taxing, or course I'm concerned, but not heavily I suppose. What are they going to do to stop it exactly? If they ban these things in the US (unlikely), I'll just order from overseas. Unless customs manages to intercept (come on, they let a lot of unmentionable paraphenelia through), what are they going to do exactly? Especially if I start DIYing. As for taxes, *shrugs* saving money with ecigs is nice, but I'd pay it. I mean, my health is worth it. Avoiding the damage I'd be doing with traditional cigs is worth it.
As for banning and taxing, or course I'm concerned, but not heavily I suppose. What are they going to do to stop it exactly? If they ban these things in the US (unlikely), I'll just order from overseas. Unless customs manages to intercept (come on, they let a lot of unmentionable paraphenelia through), what are they going to do exactly? Especially if I start DIYing. As for taxes, *shrugs* saving money with ecigs is nice, but I'd pay it. I mean, my health is worth it. Avoiding the damage I'd be doing with traditional cigs is worth it.
theirs different states trying to ban ecigs but it wont happen what would the public think about the government banning something that's a healthy alternative to smoking? i don't think people will take to kindly to it
I agree. What are they going to tax? PG? VG? Flavors? About the only thing they can control is the nicotine and there will always be a black market. If you can get your hands on a couple hundred mils, then you're set for a long time. It's not a .... lab. Anyone can mix their own juices.
No, not a bit on the tax issue. The government gets $$$ from sales tax and the postage (for USPS mailers anyway) and the health aspects of vaping compared to smoking for both users and second hand people makes it a win win for everyone.
Banning I imagine would be on a state to state basis and look how long it took them to do that with cigs. It doesn't stink and poses no danger, so I can't see it.
Banning I imagine would be on a state to state basis and look how long it took them to do that with cigs. It doesn't stink and poses no danger, so I can't see it.
Our government has a 'smoke free by 2025' aim. How this will affect vaping is another thing. Since most vaping supplies (and all eliquid) has to be imported, vapers in NZ are vulnerable. Scared? Not yet. Our Ministry of Health supports ecigs as a means of healthy quitting but like everywhere, there is a measure of suspicion of anything that is viewed as 'new'.
Conventional wisdom says two years in a cool dark place stored in glass not plastic. Best I know to do for now.
Store in dark glass bottles in freezer. Minimize air space. Store at 0-10 deg. F. when possible. It'll stay good for at least 2 years, possibly up to 10 years.
Let them try to ban nic. or impose ridiculous taxes on nic. solution. You can get from China, cheap and as concentrated as you dare to handle. If they want to play games with me, I'm prepared to order 1kg. of 99.7% pure pharmaceutical grade nicotine. At the rate I use it, I calculate that it will last me 455.3 years. If push comes to shove, I can get them to ship a mere 50 years worth. I've built laminar air-flow fume hoods before and I can do it again.
This genie is out of the bottle. They can never intercept all the contraband flowing from China and there's no way they'll be holding up any significant percentage of shipments. They can get away with that kind of stuff with India or Pakistan, not China. It ain't happening. As long as the internet is running and packages can be shipped, we'll have supplies.
Being scared is one thing, and trying to do something about it is another...
Hopefully everybody that can afford to do so is donating to the We Are Vapers documentary project.
In order to win this fight we are going to need to win over the public, and this documentary is the best way to do so.
Well, it's the best way to do so given our limited resources compared to those who want to eliminate us.
All proceeds, if there are any, go to CASAA so that makes it a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.
It's just like donating to CASAA, only better!!
I agree 100% about donating to CASAA and supporting the documentary.
Unfortunately, other than the money raised for CASAA, the doco will have minimal impact with the public. The public doesn't care. It will be preaching to the choir. Unless you have someone with the media savvy of Michael Moore, or it shows on HBO 25 times, the number of screenings will be negligible and the eyeballs will predominately belong to vapers.
Consider the move "Passion of the Christ". Here was a major production that Mel Gibson intended to be viewed by a cross section of America. As it turned out, the vast majority of tickets were sold to devout Christians. Again, preaching to the choir. The Vape movie will not have a tiny fraction of the PR budget of a Mel Gibson movie.
If we want to change public perception, we have to do it one citizen at a time.
Introduce as many people as possible to e-cigs, including non-smokers. They're being bombarded with anti-ecig propaganda and no coordinated and effective counter exists. We need non-smokers and anti-smokers on our side even more than we need smokers. Non smokers are far more likely to take the anti ecig propaganda seriously.
Talk to the owners and managers of public establishments. Bars, restaurants, motels, shops, etc. Let them know that you will patronize vape-friendly business whenever possible. There are few legitimate reasons to ban ecigs and if you talk to them, you'll likely find that they are entirely ignorant about ecigs and only have rules against them because they want to err on the side of caution. I personally have turned around a half dozen establishments in my area and turned another half-dozen into vape friendly when they had no policy at all. We need to get to these places before the antis do.
This is going to cause some flaming, but I don't care: Do not refer to your PV as an e-cigarette when you are among the uninitiated. Labels are extremely potent in shaping public perception. The anti's crow the name "cigarette" whenever they can. They know what effect it has on otherwise neutral people. Don't play into their game. Call it a vaporizer or something that doesn't carry negative connotations. The word "cigarette" evokes strong emotional reaction and conjures up images of smoke, etc. Everyone hates cigarettes. Nobody has a pre-existing bias against vaporizers. Never underestimate the power of language. The enemy doesn't.
Likewise, try to refrain from using a PV that looks like a cigarettte. This is another anti ecig propaganda bullet point. You will get far more acceptance from the public with an ecig that doesn't resemble a cigarette. When people see you vaping a cigarette, they often assume they know all about it. What they really know is usually the misinformation spread by the antis. When they see you with an eGo, or a box mod, they will often ask about it and that is your opportunity to educate them and dispel the myths they learned from the FDA and the antis.
Lastly and most importantly, don't act like a smoker. You are not a smoker anymore and you need to make sure that your mindset is not one of a smoker. After years of being demeaned and persecuted, it can be harder to change your self-image than it was to stop smoking. Don't act like a smoker. Don't hang out in the smoking areas. Don't act like you're doing something socially unacceptable. NEVER say you "smoke" an e-cigarette. You don't smoke. Act like it and believe it. They will only be able to treat you like a smoker if you think of yourself as a smoker and you consent to act like a smoker.
This cause is going to boil down to one member of the public at a time. Extreme regulations, bans and taxes won't get much support if people know the truth about ecigs.
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You're fooling yourself. If the crackdown comes, it'll focus on the lookalikes. Your batteries will be taxed like they were 50 cartons of cigarettes. Your "cartridges" will be a sitting duck. When your battery dies, you'll be SOL. People have had decades of conditioning to hate cigarettes, and there you are, "smoking" something that looks just like a cigarette. You'll be the first target.
The mod vapers will be far better off. They can get batteries anywhere. All they have to worry about is cartomizers or atomizers. Their devices look like something a doctor prescribed. In fact, sometimes when I'm approached by a hostile anti-smoking nazi, I tell them I'm using a vaporizer my doctor prescribed, and they go away. I couldn't get away with that if I was puffing on a cig lookalike with a light on the end.
So I take it as we're not scared but we know it's going to happen? That scares me, I just started vaping and I love it for MANY reasons but one being it is wayyyy cheaper and can do it anywhere... they're gonna take that away?!?
So I take it as we're not scared but we know it's going to happen? That scares me, I just started vaping and I love it for MANY reasons but one being it is wayyyy cheaper and can do it anywhere... they're gonna take that away?!?
Only if you let them. As long as there's a China, batteries, flashlights or other stuff to make mods from they can't take anything away. All they can do is make it a bit more inconvenient. They can even make it more expensive, but it'll never be as expensive as cigarettes.
They'll never ban the use of e-cigs. All they'll do is try to make it unattractive and expensive through ridiculous regulations. But none of those regulations need affect you in any serious way if you are prepared and know what you're
doing.
Nicotine lasts at least 2 years, and maybe up to 10 years if kept frozen and dark. Atomizers can be re-built or easily smuggled from China, as can nicotine. They wont outlaw food flavors or PG or VG or batteries. The only people they can stop are those who insist on little cigarette looking things with pre-filled cartridges. That ain't me, so I ain't skeered.
YES. I just had to pay $18 in tax on my provari order. Not sure what world u livin in. Yes I understand it is a Washington thing but still.
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Bobby, the best way to be up to date is to follow the threads in the subforums located here:
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Being scared is not going to help you and it will not make the problem go away.
Many battles have been fought and many have been won!
Actually, Yes. If an online retailer has a brick and mortar store in the state you live in, they are required to collect sales tax. For me this has applied to sporting goods and musical instruments purchased online. I haven't paid any taxes on my PV purchases yet though.
I hope that the PV industry doesn't get regulated and taxed to the extent that analogs have. The gubbamint tends not to make things better.
I assume you have the access to the proper equipment and the expertise to deal with that strength. I'll stick to my 100mg.
Yep. I'll only get that strength if I'm forced to smuggle it and need to minimize shipping volume from China. No sense shipping PG all the way 'round the earth.
Fume hood, titration pipettes, graduated cylinders, protective glasses and garments and some other misc lab glassware. That ought to cover it. A fume hood is fairly straightforward to build or buy as surplus. Dilution can go pretty quick and once that's done, it's no big danger to handle.
Hopefully, they won't start taxing unflavored nicotine solution. If they try to tax it on par with cigarettes, it could easily be $500-1000/liter for the 100mg I normally use.
The biggest problem is the 1kg. (~1 liter) MOQ of nic. from China. At 99.7%, that's enough, by my calculations, to last me 455.3 years. Coop anyone?
Or, maybe I'll just get one shipment of 200 or 500mg. The 997 is better pharma grade though.
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