Scared of batteries exploding

[chellie]

I use the voopoo drag too. Ive got a limitless plus rdta with dual coils i made from 26ga kanthal, twisted. The resistance is .37ohms and i vape this at 80-100watts, depending on how fast i want to drain off my batteries. 100watts wont let the batteries go all day but it does make an awesome flavor and cloud. I also use a wotofo bravo rta when i want something a little different. The set up youve described should be fine. Just make sure your batteries are good quality. The drag is regulated and shouldnt let batteries fail catastrophically. Its a really great mod and i love mine. If it ever stops working, i think that i would get another one. I feel the same way about this rdta im using. If it ever fails, id replace it with the same. So, dont worry, enjoy and vape on!!

There is a definite risk with batteries
This person had a Voopoo Drag explode. Second photos shows pcs

These are the external link - do not if they will come through
r/electronic_cigarette - This was a close one. My Voopoo Drag exploded in my hand
This is the title on reddit
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[BillW50]

Perhaps you can Clarify this.

Because as I read it, I pushed the Fire Button on my Regulated Mod down and held it for about 7 Seconds. Then released the Fire Button.

I do the Same thing if I am holding a Mech Mod in my hand.

Why is this Not running Continuously?

And by doing what I did, does that mean I am Not a Real Vaper?

No that is pulsed. Real vapers pulse their cells and don't run them continuously. Sure most vapers use the continuous amp rating and use that rating for their mods. Sure that is safe and even safer than you have to be. Say you have a Samsung 25R which is normally rated at 2500mah @ 20A continuous. What does that mean? That means you can use that cell fully charged at 4.20v and drain it continuously till it reaches 3.0v unload (2.5v loaded). Now do you know how long that battery would last a vaper running continuous?

Using Steam-Engine, drawing 20A continuous means that your cell would only last for about 7 minutes. Know any vapers who drains a Samsung 25R every 7 minutes? No, I don't either. Even if you vaped for 7 seconds and not for the next 7 seconds and kept repeating this, that Samsung would only last about 14 minutes. Know anybody like this? I don't either. Aspire uses a pulse standard of 10s on and 5s off. A Samsung 25R @ 20A would only last just over 11 minutes. Nobody vapes that heavy either.

 

[BillW50]

There is a definite risk with batteries
This person had a Voopoo Drag explode. Second photos shows pcs
r/electronic_cigarette - This was a close one. My Voopoo Drag exploded in my hand

Yes I posted that one here last Thursday.

 

[chellie]

Yes I posted that one here last Thursday.

I did not see it -- sorry.....

 

[Opinionated]

Nevermind... people spouting nonsense even after Mooch replied in the thread..

 

[medleypat]

the point I was trying to make and I guess you missed it was you are depended on the mods protection circuit to work and that is not the best idea for the most part people are using inexpensive mods and I am pretty sure some of that price is do to cutting cost of the chipset just look at dna chipsets so I would not depend on the chipset as my only protection

 

[zoiDman]

No that is pulsed. Real vapers pulse their cells and don't run them continuously. Sure most vapers use the continuous amp rating and use that rating for their mods. Sure that is safe and even safer than you have to be. Say you have a Samsung 25R which is normally rated at 2500mah @ 20A continuous. What does that mean? That means you can use that cell fully charged at 4.20v and drain it continuously till it reaches 3.0v unload (2.5v loaded). Now do you know how long that battery would last a vaper running continuous?

Using Steam-Engine, drawing 20A continuous means that your cell would only last for about 7 minutes. Know any vapers who drains a Samsung 25R every 7 minutes? No, I don't either. Even if you vaped for 7 seconds and not for the next 7 seconds and kept repeating this, that Samsung would only last about 14 minutes. Know anybody like this? I don't either. Aspire uses a pulse standard of 10s on and 5s off. A Samsung 25R @ 20A would only last just over 11 minutes. Nobody vapes that heavy either.

So by Those Definitions, a Pulse would be Anything less than the Non-Interrupted Discharge of the Battery from a Full Charged State to 2.5 Volts Loaded.

So by that Thinking, an OEM could define a Maximum Amp Pulse Rating could be for say 5 Minutes.

Or another for 150 Seconds

Or another for 15 Seconds

Or another for 1.5 Seconds

Or another for .15 Seconds

That seems like it could be a Very Confusing and Potentially Unsafe to the User. Because if the User does Not Know what the Length of the Pulse the OEM is using to state and Amp Amount, the User really Doesn't Know Anything.

I'm not saying that the Continuous Amp Rating system we use is a Perfect System. But it is Easy to Understand by those who have Little or No Electrical Knowledge / is Uniform for All Vaper's. And whatever shortcomings it has Always falls on the Side of Safe Operation.

 

[medleypat]

Plus I haven't read on here that anyone said aspire batteries were bad just didn't like the way they rated them

 

[Opinionated]

The CDR of batteries is an industry standard.

We can tell through testing if the advertised CDR of a battery has been inflated or is the accurate CDR of the battery.

We can use the accurate CDR rating to mathematically deduce the safety of the coils we want to use on our mods, and determine if they can be used safely.

As batteries age the CDR numbers also decline - it's a part of the aging process so having some cushion is important.. not just for that but for the life of the battery itself.

If we red lined our cars every time we used them it would be hard on the motor of the car and cause those motors to run a far shorter length of time before needing repair.

The batteries are the equivalent of our mods motors. The CDR rating shows us whether or not we are running in a safety zone or whether we are red lining...

The pulse rating is nothing, there is no standard. No calculations that can be drawn off them. No way to determine safe vaping from their values.

So, while we pulse our batteries the pulse ratings do nothing for us, while the CDR can give us time to remove the batteries if our mod decides to auto fire and more if we use the knowledge wisely, potentially saving us from harm or injury.

 

[BillW50]

Nevermind... people spouting nonsense even after Mooch replied in the thread..

I did read it. Like I said vapers go the safe way and use the continuous rating. But they don't vape continuously. If they did, their batteries would only last minutes and that is it. But vapers generally use this rating and pulse at the continuous rating. Is that unsafe? Nope. Can you use cells at the pulse rating (if you could trust the wrapper)? Sure you can with one caveat, don't run them continuously.

Most regulated mods can't even vape continuously. They quit firing usually in 10 seconds. Even if you use the continuous rating, does this mean you are safe? Absolutely not! A regulated mod can fail and short. Your 510 insulator can fail and short. Your battery wrap can tear. There are lots of things you have to watch out for.

I don't even like these INR and IMR cells we use. I personally think they are totally unsafe for vapers. Why did they even start to use them for vaping anyway? LiFe cells are far safer and we should be vaping with something like this battery chemistry. Only a few vapers actually are. What is "spouting nonsense" is using INR/IMR cells to vape to begin with.

Lithium iron phosphate battery - Wikipedia

 

[Opinionated]

I did read it. Like I said vapers go the safe way and use the continuous rating. But they don't vape continuously. If they did, their batteries would only last minutes and that is it. But vapers generally use this rating and pulse at the continuous rating. Is that unsafe? Nope. Can you use cells at the pulse rating (if you could trust the wrapper)? Sure you can with one caveat, don't run them continuously.

Most regulated mods can't even vape continuously. They quit firing usually in 10 seconds. Even if you use the continuous rating, does this mean you are safe? Absolutely not! A regulated mod can fail and short. Your 510 insulator can fail and short. Your battery wrap can tear. There are lots of things you have to watch out for.

I don't even like these INR and IMR cells we use. I personally think they are totally unsafe for vapers. Why did they even start to use them for vaping anyway? LiFe cells are far safer and we should be vaping with something like this battery chemistry. Only a few vapers actually are. What is "spouting nonsense" is using INR/IMR cells to vape to begin with.

Lithium iron phosphate battery - Wikipedia

Read my above post.

And stop attempting to teach unsafe vaping to people. Safety is paramount.

Do you want to be responsible for a serious injury?

ECF and it's members have always prided themselves on teaching safe vaping and not putting people in harm's way.

 

[BillW50]

I'm not saying that the Continuous Amp Rating system we use is a Perfect System. But it is Easy to Understand by those who have Little or No Electrical Knowledge / is Uniform for All Vaper's. And whatever shortcomings it has Always falls on the Side of Safe Operation.

Absolutely! That is why most of the vaping community uses it. As trying to figure out pulse ratings is above most peoples pay grade.

 

[BillW50]

Read my above post.

And stop attempting to teach unsafe vaping to people. Safety is paramount.

Do you want to be responsible for a serious injury?

I am saying they are not safe period! Why would I be responsible while people like you say they are ok to use and I am saying no they are not. They can explode through no fault from the user or the mod at all. Remember that Florida court ruled the user did nothing wrong and the seller sold unsafe Efest cells and that cost the seller over 2 million dollars?

 

[Opinionated]

I am saying they are not safe period! Why would I be responsible while people like you say they are ok to use and I am saying no they are not. They can explode through no fault from the user or the mod at all. Remember that Florida court ruled the user did nothing wrong and the seller sold unsafe Efest cells and that cost the seller over 2 million dollars?

Batteries are not unsafe. We use batteries all the time, they are in our laptops and more..

Using them safely is another story altogether, but we know how to do so, and we teach how to do so.

I won't use Efest 18650's and I don't recommend Efest because they dont make batteries.

I trust and recommend batteries made by companies who manufacture them, from sellers who are reputable battery distributers..

People here have always recommended Sony, Samsung, LG or Panasonic 18650 batteries unless you own a provari..

If batteries scare you they shouldn't. What is worrysome is a lack of knowledge of how to use them .. we can use them safely. Millions of people use them daily with no harm.

Courts know nothing of batteries, who wins or loses a court battle depends on the skill of the lawyer.

 

[BillW50]

So, while we pulse our batteries the pulse ratings do nothing for us, while the CDR can give us time to remove the batteries if our mod decides to auto fire and more if we use the knowledge wisely, potentially saving us from harm or injury.

I agree with everything you said and I agree there is no pulse standard. As everybody has a different idea what a pulse is.

As for the quote above, you mean we hope one can remove the cells in time. There was one example posted today and last Thursday the user didn't have time and the mod burst into flames. This is one thing I insist in my mods. The batteries must be able to eject very quickly. But even that doesn't mean you are safe either.

And why they sell mods with internal batteries? As something goes wrong you need tools and most likely the cells are soldered in. So you would likely have to clip wires. By then, the cells probably already exploded with your hands and face in the way.

 

[BillW50]

Batteries are not unsafe. We use batteries all the time, they are in our laptops and more..

Using them safely is another story altogether, but we know how to do so, and we teach how to do so.

I won't use Efest 18650's and I don't recommend Efest because they dont make batteries.

I trust and recommend batteries made by companies who manufacture them, from sellers who are reputable battery distributers..

People here have always recommended Sony, Samsung, LG or Panasonic 18650 batteries unless you own a provari..

If batteries scare you they shouldn't. What is worrysome is a lack of knowledge of how to use them .. we can use them safely. Millions of people use them daily with no harm.

Courts know nothing of batteries, who wins or loses a court battle depends on the skill of the lawyer.

No you are not getting it. Sure many people are using them and nothing happens. Millions are driving cars too and nothing happens. The point is there is a possibility that something can go wrong even if you do everything right. And I am saying there are far safer batteries that we could be using (some vapers are, but most isn't). So when the rare event happens, it probably won't be as bad or not happen at all.

 

[BillW50]

Plus I haven't read on here that anyone said aspire batteries were bad just didn't like the way they rated them

What don't they like how they rate them? Mooch for example rates an Aspire 26650 at a higher CDR than Aspire themselves does. That's a first in the industry, they rate themselves lower than they really are.

 

[Opinionated]

No you are not getting it. Sure many people are using them and nothing happens. Millions are driving cars too and nothing happens. The point is there is a possibility that something can go wrong even if you do everything right. And I am saying there are far safer batteries that we could be using (some vapers are, but most isn't). So when the rare event happens, it probably won't be as bad or not happen at all.

There aren't "far safer" batteries we can use for our purposes.. we are using the best technology has atm..

There have been precious few injuries, I quoted from a government study a week or so ago that showed how many reported ecigarette accidents occured from 2010 - 2016, and a break down of what those accidents were.

From that study. Vaping is literally one of the safest industries there is, and it's largely due to the community sharing safe vaping knowledge.

You probably have more danger getting in the shower in the morning than vaping if you've paid attention to safety.

 

[BillW50]

the point I was trying to make and I guess you missed it was you are depended on the mods protection circuit to work and that is not the best idea for the most part people are using inexpensive mods and I am pretty sure some of that price is do to cutting cost of the chipset just look at dna chipsets so I would not depend on the chipset as my only protection

Sure some puts trust in their regulated mods. And they are almost always safer than mech mods. And regulated mods have like a dozen of safety features built in. But even with all of the safety features in the world, batteries can still explode and they have.

 

[Opinionated]

Sure some puts trust in their regulated mods. And they are almost always safer than mech mods. And regulated mods have like a dozen of safety features built in. But even with all of the safety features in the world, batteries can still explode and they have.

Here is my post that has the information from the study broken down..

Is mech/unregulated more enjoyable?