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Is Big Tobacco Getting Into the ecig Business?

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Shizzle

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Anyone know anything about "British-American tobacco" ? I know what assuming leads to , so I will ask... is this big tobacco's reach into the market?

"British American Tobacco p.l.c. (LSE: BATS, JSE: BTI) is a global tobacco company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the world’s second largest quoted tobacco company by global market share (after Philip Morris International), with a leading position in more than 50 countries and a presence in more than 180 countries. Its brands include Dunhill, Kent, Lucky Strike and Pall Mall."

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Philip Morris International just announced that it has purchased a nicotine aerosol technology from inventor Jed Rose. PMI.com News Release May 26, 2011

These new nicotine aerosol products may be even better cigarette substitutes than electronic cigarettes, and have the potential to save the lives of tens of millions of smokers.

More lies from BT
 
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Philip Morris International just announced that it has purchased a nicotine aerosol technology from inventor Jed Rose. PMI.com News Release May 26, 2011

These new nicotine aerosol products may be even better cigarette substitutes than electronic cigarettes, and have the potential to save the lives of tens of millions of smokers.

More lies from BT



Is this a nicotine spray? Hmmm not for me. I like vaping.
 

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Well these are just alternatives to what we do, which isn't a bad thing really. It's actually a huge step for the industry to look to provide an alternative to smoking that isn't just a cessation device. We're talking alternatives here. This is very exciting and isn't a threat to vaping at all. We're already in the back alley now :D

So these guys at least know how to get things done and know the right people in the government to bribe, and have plenty of money to do it. We don't want to commit the same sins as the ex-smokers do, where there's only two types of people, us or them. The more people that get off smoking the better, and if they are given a better choice than what they have now, then great. If some of them end up coming over to vaping, even better. The big thing here is getting alternative nicotine delivery systems for long term use legitimized, and any progress that can be made here is of benefit to us all, rather than the way things are now which is to see all nicotine users as evil and a scourge upon society and something that must be done away with.

If I were an executive for BT I'd definitely want to get in on this market, and just think of the PR benefits that would flow from this, especially if at least one of them used the same PG delivery system we do. One of the major problems we face is that there is so much misinformation out there, and places are starting to ban vaping and put it in the same category as smoking, so some good old fashioned multi million dollar PR campaigns and some good old fashioned palm greasing wouldn't hurt.
 

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I would never trust any e-cig or e-juice put out there by BT. They have millions for PR; but their very identity quite rightly toxifies the marketability of whatever they might think up. It's not gonna happen. Consider the following:

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E-juice is as simple & generic a thing as it can be. There's no way for BT (or anyone, for that matter) to patent it, or ever corner the market.

The only relevant questions for customers would be 1) Do you trust BT? and 2) Do you want to support BT financially? My answer to both questions is hell no. You'll find that many feel the same way, with good reason.

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E-cig technology is also as generic as it gets. Granted, there are some early patents out there, mostly dealing with now-obsolete models...but even they are very narrow & specific. No can patent the concept of a car, for example. One can patent a unique design, for a limited period of time...but yeah. The basic technology of a battery, atomizer, cartomizer etc is now well past any risk of patent issues.

Again...this means that BT (and anyone else, for that matter) would have no way to ever corner the market. E-cig brands that do well, do so because customers find them to be superior.

In BT's view, there's just not enough profit in vaping for them...and vaping spells the doom of their long-standing mainstay (cigs)...and they know that they are (rightly) universally reviled as untrustworthy & evil. BT knows all of this...they have no illusions about their ability to survive, now that vaping has arrived.

And so, they've clearly chosen to forestall the inevitable as best they can, by doing everything they can to prevent knowledge of vaping & e-cig/e-juice availability from reaching the mainstream. Only the public's lack of knowledge, & the lack of market visibility for e-cigs, keeps BT on life support right now. Many smokers have still never even heard of e-cigs. Many who have, have only heard misinformation & lies. BT (in cooperation with big pharma, the government & even some allegedly anti-smoking groups...all of whom depend, or believe they depend, on the status quo) is simply milking what they can, for as long as they can, before they inevitably go the way of the dinosaur.

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No one in their right mind trusts BT, or likes them or wants to be their customer. They have enslaved generations...selling sickness, misery & death in bright little packages.

They still are.

So I wouldn't be rushing to give them one thin dime for anything. I wouldn't trust them to not add goodness knows what chemicals etc into the mix. At best (and I honestly don't even see this much happening, necessarily), I could see BT becoming little more than the 'Bing' of the e-cig world; a self-important, largely pointless offering...with overpriced product of dubious quality & safety...and with a tiny, tiny share of the vaping market.
 

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With all that said, keep in mind that we're not advocating using any of their products, and my point was that simply having these alternatives in existance can help our cause. It's hard to say what the exact makeup of these products would be, other than something delivering nicotine by a means other than smoking tobacco. I sense a lot of anger in your post and I'm not sure that this is healthy. They are just giving the people what they want, and a lot of people want to smoke tobacco.

Sure there's been a lot of misinformation dispensed over the years but all of that is behind us and if anything, things are grossly overstated today. Someone died? He or she smoked? Chalk up another tobacco related death. The truth is, tobacco smoking in itself only causes harm in people who are in a less than ideal state of health, which most people are by the way, from relying on a health "care" system whose whole philosophy is centered around the encouragement and perpetuation of disease so they can maximize their profits. Hmm I guess I'm a little angry too here LOL, but it's against a system which deserves it more.

Anyway, at worst this is like saying that known abusers are looking to at least abuse less, and that can't ever be a bad thing ;)
 

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I would love to have an "Export A" branded PV, but I would never vape their juice.

Agreed on the juice. As to the PV...not necessary hon. Check these folks out:

cigskinz.com
ecig-skins.com
ecigskinmods.com
ecigart.com

There are just a few examples. Zazzle might be another possibility. There are other sites like these...and most of them offer to make custom-designed skins. They could probably make you a nice Export A one, for a 510 or an eGo (for personal use of course...you'd need to be discreet, due to copyright issues). If you're skilled in graphic design (or know someone who is), creating one should be easy. If copyright is an issue, a parody skin with a similar look should be fine.

It would fit your already-trusted PV, which is a great bonus. A potential BT e-cig would almost certainly have a proprietary threading. Though even if it had a 510 threading...BT wouldn't be bringing anything unique to the table. It would merely be one voice in the chorus. A johnny-come-lately that really offers nothing that we don't already have...which most of us would not care to spend our money on either, given BT's history. I'd trust Joyetech, or ProVape, to build a better PV any day.

Anyway, I know it's rather limited right now. But I predict that the market for e-cig skins & sleeves will continue to grow down the line...different sizes, different materials (vinyl, silicone gel, cloth, even metal...you name it), and more...for all kinds of mods, etc etc. There's a massive market for iPod & cellphone skins, sleeves & more. Once vaping is free from the b.s. it's subjected to at present...yeah.

Certainly some will suck, and some will be high-quality. For e-cig manufacturers, it's a good idea. For them to put elaborate designs on the non-removable exterior of their PV's is too costly, save perhaps in limited instances. If they don't sell...that's no good. Skins & sleeves etc remove that problem, allowing infinite creativity & style, for a low price.

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