Is bottom feeding a good solution for 100% vg?

[Commie]

okk I've read through and I'm thinking of a variable voltage bottom feeder. I'm looking for variable voltage. NO clearomizers, just some good wickless systems. Done with the burning crap taste of wicks. I have 3 options as of now:

Reosmods - very expensive!
VMOD - Not variable voltage but seems promising.
innokin - Variable voltage 2600 mAH iTaste MVP

Innokin is a great product from what I hear, but it's not a bottom feeder. You're still using clearomizers with it.

I liked VMod. It's a solid choice. I now have both VMod and a Reo, and much prefer the Reo. It is however expensive, as you mentioned.

If you are at least a bit mechanically inclined, you can get a VMod and improve on it:

1. Make it a real bottom feeder, so you don't have to flip it over to feed
2. Get a 510-510 shorty extention and replace cartos/atties with an rba. I'm using mine with A7. To feed an RBA on it, you do need to see point 1.
3. Add a kick to it, since you insist on variable voltage. Fitting a kick there is not overly straight forward, but is doable. Oh, you'll need VMod XL for that, kick won't fit into VMod 2.0

 

[adrkaushal]

Thank you so much for the informative post commie!

I'm actually pretty inclined at ordering a VMod, I'm just holding myself to collect some more information. Could you help me with these questions?

You squeeze the bottle and the juice flows up in the well where it becomes vapor. What exactly makes it vapor? Is there some heating element or a coil or some other system? Is it strong enough and long lasting if you are a bit heavy vaper? I vape about 10 times in a day and 8 to 10 puffs each time I vape. Roughly, every 2 hours 8 to 10 vapes. I use 100% VG (I'm thinking of trying 70VG/30PG or even 50VG/50PG). Does the gunk deposit in the well if 100% VG is vaped? Now my main question: Do you get the satisfaction vaping on a VMod? What I mean to say, does it produce good vapor and throat hit? What about the flavor, do you get enough flavor?

I have an eGO CE4 1100 mAH battery with kanger T3 cartomizers. Even with fully charged battery, sometimes I do not get that level of satisfaction or throat hit. So if we put these two to a comparison, which one is a better solution? My main reason for giving up on eGO CE4 is that "let's just say", it does not satisfy my urge to get a nice hit (throat and vapor). I have to be a real sucker on it or I have to do the double draw thing that burns up the wick a little. And then talk about the bad smell/taste ..yukk. Ok back to the set of questions above, please please give me some direction if you have used a VMod.

Another thing on my mind, VMod is just 3.7 volts, not sure if that will be sufficient for a real vape sucker like me. And then I feel like going for a super strong 6v+ Mod or perhaps variable voltage mod. But then again, most mods have clearomizers (visions, kangers and carto tanks and other crappy wick systems). I don't know, I'm just lost again

 

[Commie]

I think you're a bit confused. Let me take a step back and go over construction of a bottom feeder.

There is an atomizer connection (usually 510 style) surrounded by a "catch cup" on the top, and powered from some sort of battery on the bottom. Through the center of the connection, there's a tube that goes to a bottle of juice. You screw in a heating element of your choice -- atomizer, cartomizer, or rebuildable into the connection, and vape it like you would on an Ego. Except you can keep adding juice to the said heating element through the bottom by squeezing the bottle. Excess juice comes out into the catch cup and will be sucked into the cartomizer/atomizer when there's room for it there. For that to work, the heating element has to have a hole in the bottom. Most standard atomizers and cartomizers do, most rebuildables don't.

So, as you can guess, the amount of vapor, throat hit and flavor will be governed by the atomizer or cartomizer you put on your mod. I haven't vaped kanger T3's, so I can't comment on what's going on with yours. Bottom feeders give you two advantages over running the same atomizer/cartomizer on an Ego: you can keep adding juice before it runs dry, avoiding burnt wick and disgusting taste that you mention, and they hold a lot more juice.

Now, to go over the issues that you mentioned. If you don't get enough vapor or throat hit to consider it a satisfying vape, there's a chance you need more power there. That can be accomplished either by lowering resistance of your atomizer (I'm not sure if Kanger's come in different resistances, but generally clearos are pretty high), or raising the voltage of your battery. The first can be tested pretty cheaply by just getting some lower resistance cartomizers or clearomizers. Anything with 1.7-2.0 ohm resistance should give you the punch you want at 3.7 volt. Alternatively, you can replace your Ego with an Ego twist or Spinner, that would let you try higher voltage for much less money than a mod.

My overall suggestion to you (and I don't mean to sound patronizing), is to try some of the cheaper venues before getting into relatively expensive mods, until you find a solution to your issues. Bottom feeders generally have a bit of a learning curve, and, when used improperly, can produce very frustrating results, possibly turning you away from vaping. I'd hate for you to spend upwards of a hundred dollars on something that would possibly not solve your issues

Please don't hesitate to ask more questions!

Commie

 

[muzichead]

I don't know, I'm just lost again

Here are a couple threads that will answer most of, (if not all), your questions about the VMod XL.....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-xl-18650-bottom-feeding-mod-vapage-com.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-bottom-feeding-mod-vapage-com-part-2-a.html

 

[adrkaushal]

Anything with 1.7-2.0 ohm resistance should give you the punch you want at 3.7 volt. Alternatively, you can replace your Ego with an Ego twist or Spinner, that would let you try higher voltage for much less money than a mod.

Super! commie, thank you so much for the informative post. Forumers like you make this place a heaven for vapers!

I think I just need to experiment with what I already have. From what I understand, either I go with a low resistance clearomizer/cartomizer or I go with a higher voltage device. I will go with the first one, low resistance clearomizers/cartomizers. Right now I'm using 2.5 ohm clearomizers on my 3.7 volts device. I think that's where the problem is. Also, I'm going to try 70VG/30PG or even 50VG/50PG juices. I have no reasons to stick with 100% VG or 100% PG. Higher PG gives me problem but thinning the liquid with 30PG shouldn't make any problems for me. I will try using distilled water with my 100% VG juices I already have. They are 36 mg so diluting will also benefit in reducing the nicotine level, I have always felt 36mg is a bit too high for me.

In the mean time, I will keep researching on mods and will buy one only when I am done experimenting with my 3.7 battery device. Thank you so much for the much needed help.

Regards.

 

[Commie]

You're most welcome!

When you do get to buying mods, remember that both VMod and Reo are very good choices. I have both and love the idea of bottom feeders. But everyone has different tastes. Some people like sturdy mechanical mods with genesis on them, some like bottom feeders, and some like spiffy shiny variable voltage mods with cool screens. To each their own, whatever keeps you off the stinkies

 

[adrkaushal]

lol @ stinkies .. you bet! i'm never ever gonna touch them! even at thought of sucking on one makes me feel like throwing up. Something funny I should share with everyone. When I started vaping, I still felt like going back to the stinkies. And after a week's vaping when I tried stinky, GOD that felt like I put some chemicals in my mouth! Then I tried stinkies a couple of more times and that made me feel like throwing up ... I'm not just saying, I literally felt the taste of chemicals that I never felt before. I just can't believe that I was taking all that crap inside my lungs .. geeez. NEVER will touch another stinkie in my life!

About mods, there's wayyyyyy too many mods and VV APV's out there and I'm not thinking about them right now. Its like trying different guns when you don't even know how to use them. I think my 1100 mAH 3.7 volts eGO CE4 batteries are kick-.... I just didn't know that I was supposed to select a lower resistance cartomizer/clearomizer. I was going on with a 2.5 ohm which now I know is way too much for a 3.7 volt battery. Actually, when I bought these Kanger T3s, I thought I should select a higher resistance clearomizer so that it gives me more vape. I know, you must be laughing, so am I lol. Higher the resistance, lower the current. Yes, now I know *face palm*