Is Organic Cotton Harmfull ? (Calling Everyone!)

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I always had doubt about cotton and I was investigating it. I talked to few doctors and they all say the same thing in my country but when i talked to other doctors from other countries I couldnt get much information and I believe the reason is explained well in the following message that I received from a doctor.

I'm calling every doctor and people who use cotton in ecig as a wick, also aspire company as they started to use organic cotton in every coil they have.


Today I have received a scientific explanation from the doctor and I'm translating it.

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First of all this sickness usually not known by US or German doctors, because they have high hygiene in their cotton factories. This issue is known by 3rd countries like Turkey and other countries where there is no hygiene in cotton factories and employees inhale cotton dust.

It is under pneumoconiosis category and the sickness name is Bisinosis. The doctor reported; every year many employees who are working in cotton factories that are lack of hygiene and filter getting bisinosis sickness and dead from bisinosis, because of inhaling cotton dust for a long time.

He said it is not important if it is organic or not, the important thing is the particle of cotton. The particle of a cotton is 0,5-5 micron. The problem is the cotton gets burned even with temperature controlled devices because the cotton fire range is so low and this can be detected with a microscope not by eyes. The cotton does not need to be burned and turned to black color that can be seen by eyes. Its particles are burning even with a very low heat at 3.0v and wet with liquid, that can be seen under the microscope only.

When the cotton is burned, that cotton micron diameter goes down from 0,5 to lower diameters and turns to a dust which can be seen by microscope only. Those burned cotton dusts goes to the lungs and stays there because the human body is surely unable to absorbe it as it is not organic anymore because of burned particles.

He clearly state this; The cotton dust cannot be absorbed in lungs and will result bisinosis in time which will lead to dead for sure he says. If it was tolareted and absorbed, there wont be a sickness called bisinosis and people who are working in cotton factories wouldnt die in the past from bisinosis sickness.

He also add this, people working in cotton factories inhaling cotton dusts which is not burned already causes bisinosis sickness, I cannot imagine what burned cotton dust is going to do because its micron diameter is smaller than normal cotton dust due to fire damage, maybe those employees getting bisinosis between 10 -15 years but in ecig case, burned cotton may speed up the process of the sickness.
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Final Notice from the doctor; Above information makes cotton %100 dangerous to inhale and will result bisinosis in time soon or late even with temperature controlled devices. Employees are working in 3rd country cotton factories where there is no filtration are not inhaling warm cotton and they are already getting bisinosis, again this sickness is known by 3rd countries which cotton factories have no hygiene and filtration. I hope this will make sense, for everyone who use cotton in ecig.

So, the doctor explanation is above and enough for me to not to use BVC coils anymore also cotton unless someone make a different scientific explanation to above doctors information and make it wrong.

It is clearly understandable if you use cotton in ecig, no filtration(you cannot filter it as the particles can be only seen by microscope), it will surely will cause bisinosis one day as you are inhaling cotton particles in to your lungs which is surely not absorbed.

What bisinosis is: Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Byssinosis, also called "brown lung disease" or "Monday fever", is an occupational lung disease caused by exposure to cotton dust in inadequately ventilated working environments)

UPDATE:
I just received a second opinion from another DR, MR Farsalinos send me the following email after I ask him the above explanations.

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First of all, i have a question for you. Has the doctor who told you about byssinosis informed you about silicosis? It is a disease which is caused by inhaling silica dioxide fibers. That means, silica and ekowool fibers used as wicks (alternatives to cotton). Silicosis is even more common than byssinosis.

Byssinosis is almost exclusively observed in workers in cotton processing. So, most likely it is dust from the spores of cotton which cause the disease. Processed cotton does not have spores or other type of dust. It is possible that cotton fibers may cause a disease, which is not byssinosis, and i found only 1 case report of someone who developed some form of disease due to cotton fibers. But he was exposed to huge levels of cotton dust every day for many years.

I find it unlikely that the cotton wick will cause byssinosis, but of course none can be 100% sure. However, i think that silica and other alternatives may be equally (if not more) problematic. So, please stay calm.
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So, second opinion is clear my mind now and made me calm.
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oh man thats kinda scary

Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i would actually like to hear more about this though. How is a factory environment different/similar to vaping on organic cotton? Also the cotton in question being in our vape products, is moistened by eliquid, does that make a difference? There were many tests done on the compounds found in vapor, did these bisinosis causing particles show up in any of those countless studies??? If it is as serious as it sounds, im curious as to why researchers haven't said anything about it, because there have been many studies done that could have shown these particles existing in vapor.
 
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I am lucky my system says no to cotton. My nose bleeds then runs for days like a faucet. I just recently tried ultra organic cotton and same results nose bleeding and running which it is right now lol.. Im thru 3 boxes of tissues in just two days and I know better..

Nice heads up silica/ssmesh is the better choice and theres some really good silica on the market. It will not shred or particulate like the cheap stuff..

Tired of cotton, changing it out burnt? Come inside
 

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oh man thats kinda scary

Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i would actually like to hear more about this though. How is a factory environment different/similar to vaping on organic cotton? Also the cotton in question being in our vape products, is moistened by eliquid, does that make a difference? There were many tests done on the compounds found in vapor, did these bisinosis causing particles show up in any of those countless studies??? If it is as serious as it sounds, im curious as to why researchers haven't said anything about it, because there have been many studies done that could have shown these particles existing in vapor.

As I noticed, because this sickness is not seen in countries like US and Germany etc.., it is only seen in 3rd countries which cotton factories have no hygiene and filtration. Do you have filtration in your ecig for cotton ? Of course not, because it is not possible to filtrate 0,5 micron and lower cotton particles. This makes you the same as an employee that is working in 3rd country cotton factory where there is no filtration.

It doesnt matter if the cotton is wet with liquid or not, it gets burned which can be seen by only microscope not by eyes. Because the nature of cotton, its burning rate is so low, its particles are burning even at 3.0v and no matter if it is wet or not. Those particles are going to the lungs for sure.
 

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Yet another good reason to try temp controlled vaping.

Now, who is the doctor that provided you with this information and what are his/her credentials? Quite frankly, I'd like a second opinion.

Agreed, I'm not going to get all up in arms before I see hard numbers and data collected through experimentation. As well as these microscopic images.
 

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Yet another good reason to try temp controlled vaping.

Now, who is the doctor that provided you with this information and what are his/her credentials? Quite frankly, I'd like a second opinion.

Temp controlled vaping is not a solution for cotton, are employees working in 3rd country cotton factories getting temp controlled cotton dust ? They inhale direct cotton dust without any heat and they get byssinosis. The doctor says warming it make it worst, that is what i understand from his states. The cotton burning rate is so low, it leaves dust even if it is wet because

He is from my country and he is chest diseases doctor. He uses ecig too and he use normal sillica wick. I use cotton and he always warned me about cotton whenever he see me. Yesterday, I wanted to hear scientific explanation about this and he provided above details to me. Yes, I wish someone make explanation to make his theory and results wrong but to me, his explanations and Byssinosis explanation information on wiki is clearly true now unless we read another scientific explanation that makes this one is wrong.
 

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Working in a factory (with apparently zero safety standards) processing thousands of pounds of cotton with machines and the particles generated by that processing is COMPLETELY different than vaping a 2 inch strip of moist cotton.

Its the same as the silicosis argument for silica wicks, yes theoretically you could inhale enough glass fibre via vaping to get silicosis but it would like take 1000 years of vaping to do it.

Dose makes the poison.
 

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The problem is not the temp and burning of cotton its the specific use of cotton unfiltered. I do not burn the cotton I have used but yet still are affected by using it.. I blamed my cotton allergy from working in the subway and manholes for 9 yrs. Some days after work I would have black snot, so ya it was my reasoning for being so sensitive. I am also sensitive to baby powder and drywall dust.. I was not before I was after job...

Much credence to this post..
 

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if the lungs cannot absorb inorganic materials over time, shouldnt our lungs be full of junk out of all the air we breathe in since we are babies? I'm thinking that the people who work in these unvented/unhygenic cotton factories in 3rd world are just getting massive amounts of these particles in their lungs due to where they work, is it even comparable to what we are vaping in? If we are even vaping in these microscopic particles at all.
 

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Temp controlled vaping is not a solution for cotton, are employees working in 3rd country cotton factories getting temp controlled cotton dust ? They inhale direct cotton dust without any heat and they get byssinosis. The doctor says warming it make it worst, that is what i understand from his states.

Yet another good reason to try temp controlled vaping.

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He is from my country and he is chest diseases doctor. He uses ecig too and he use normal sillica wick. I use cotton and he always warned me about cotton whenever he see me. Yesterday, I wanted to hear scientific explanation about this and he provided above details to me. Yes, I wish someone make explanation to make his theory and results wrong but to me, his explanations and Byssinosis explanation information on wiki is clearly true now unless we read another scientific explanation that is wrong.

Um, no. The way scientific research works is that things aren't "clearly true" until proper peer reviewed studies with repeatable results are conducted. The absence of any studies about the possibility of vaping using cotton wicks leading to Byssinosis places your OP squarely in the FUD category.

Show me some scientific research related to vaping that backs up your doctor's claims and I'll consider changing my opinion.
 

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I think your post is misleading since wouldn't this be for all cotton, not just organic cotton as the title states? Isn't cotton also fertilized with poop? Does the cotton absorb anything from said fertilizer? Could said absorption from said fertilizer be the reason my juice tastes funny? I am going to wait and see if more evidence/reports come out. I can't believe in almost a decade of ecigs on the market, this is the first we are hearing about it.
 

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I remember this coming up back when cotton was first being thrown around as an alternative to silica. I can;t find the post and I can;t remember the results. Apparently it wasn't bad info on because I continued to use it.

Here is a little bit about byssinosis.

What is Byssinosis?: Causes, Symptoms & Diagnosis

Take note of this part:

In the United States, byssinosis occurs almost exclusively in people who work with unprocessed cotton. People who open the bales of cotton during their first stage of processing are at highest risk.
 

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Temp controlled vaping is not a solution for cotton, are employees working in 3rd country cotton factories getting temp controlled cotton dust ? They inhale direct cotton dust without any heat and they get byssinosis. The doctor says warming it make it worst, that is what i understand from his states. The cotton burning rate is so low, it leaves dust even if it is wet because

He is from my country and he is chest diseases doctor. He uses ecig too and he use normal sillica wick. I use cotton and he always warned me about cotton whenever he see me. Yesterday, I wanted to hear scientific explanation about this and he provided above details to me. Yes, I wish someone make explanation to make his theory and results wrong but to me, his explanations and Byssinosis explanation information on wiki is clearly true now unless we read another scientific explanation that makes this one is wrong.

I just lost all interest with the mention of wiki, sorry.
 

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UPDATE:

I just got a second opinion from a very important DR who already made many researches on ecig for vaping world; before this thread is going to crazy lol here is the full email I just received 5 minutes ago.

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First of all, i have a question for you. Has the doctor who told you about byssinosis informed you about silicosis? It is a disease which is caused by inhaling silica dioxide fibers. That means, silica and ekowool fibers used as wicks (alternatives to cotton). Silicosis is even more common than byssinosis.

Byssinosis is almost exclusively observed in workers in cotton processing. So, most likely it is dust from the spores of cotton which cause the disease. Processed cotton does not have spores or other type of dust. It is possible that cotton fibers may cause a disease, which is not byssinosis, and i found only 1 case report of someone who developed some form of disease due to cotton fibers. But he was exposed to huge levels of cotton dust every day for many years.

I find it unlikely that the cotton wick will cause byssinosis, but of course none can be 100% sure. However, i think that silica and other alternatives may be equally (if not more) problematic. So, please stay calm.
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So, second opinion is clear my mind now and made me calm.
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The whole wicking safety topic been discussed ad nauseum in the past. I would say the chances of getting bysinossis from vaping on cotton is next to zero. Why? Because we are not inhaling cotton dust. Bisynossis is a disease of workers in the yarn industry who inhale cotton particles floating around in the air all day long. With vaping, we are using wet and saturated cotton as a wick. Not much chance of it entering the airway and even if a tiny amount did, it wouldn't be enough to cause a serious lung disease.

That said, there might be some concern with "contaminated" cotton with bacteria growing in it. I don't know of an easy solution to this other than using sterile cotton (I've tried it, it tastes like crap).
 

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