Is the e cig a placebo !?
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For those who didn't see the post in the new members forum, this is a second conversation about this. I smell a
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Years ago, I purchased a plastic cig sized 'stick' with menthol, to be used as a substitute for smoking. It would provide a sensation of inhaling menthol on every drag, but it did nothing...NOTHING... to satisfy the urge to smoke. Eventually, I was holding the menthol inhaler in one hand and an analog in the other.
I tend to think a device like the plastic menthol inhaler would be more like a placebo, than a PV that also provides satisfaction and relief from analogs.
So...in my mind, an ecig is more like an alternative/substitute for an analog, and the inhaler more like a placebo (does 'something', but not very useful).
I tend to think a device like the plastic menthol inhaler would be more like a placebo, than a PV that also provides satisfaction and relief from analogs.
So...in my mind, an ecig is more like an alternative/substitute for an analog, and the inhaler more like a placebo (does 'something', but not very useful).
The key thing about a placebo is that you don't know it's a placebo. So if you had one person vapeing a zero nic juice and one person vapeing 18 mg juice, and neither knew which one had nic and which one didn't then the 0 nic juice would be the placebo.
Exactly, or put another way, from my first post in this silly thread:
"Now a 0 nic juice PV/e-cig/ENDD certainly could be a placebo, if the person vaping it has no idea that there isn't nicotine in it and it is being compared to one that does."
Exactly. The not knowing part is what makes the sugar pill a placebo. Otherwise, it's just a sugar pill.
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Not knowing is the 'deception' that occurs within a doctor/patient relationship. If we're going strictly by the definition of placebo, the question cannot be answered except by the physician conducting the experiment.
Yet, when the OP asks 'whether or not an ecig is a placebo', I'm not thinking in terms of a doctor/patient relationship. Instead, I'm responding as to whether or not I am able to 'deceive' my body enough to accept something other than an analog, to produce a similar satisfying result (to keep the MONKEY OFF MY BACK).
I guess by strict definition, a person cannot self-administer a placebo; only a 'substitute'. If that's the case, then I would have to answer OP's opening question as "NO, ecig is not a placebo, but a self-administered substitute for analog addiction."
Should we expand the definition of placebo deception to include 'self-deception'? If so, are my mind and body the SAME consciousness, or is there more to consider?
Regardless, I'm sipping on Kahlua, listening to Christmas music, reading these posts and vaping Peppermint (deceiving my body enough to make 'it' think WE - me and my body - never quit smoking).
WHY AM I SMILING!?!?!?
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