Is the Wizard Evolved Titanium worth it???

[Thrasher]

while I am in no way defending the price or Mark buggs in general, once you hold something he makes you can at least appreciate and see why others are willing to pay his prices. absolutely outstanding workmanship and attention to the smallest detail. tubes are tubes agreed. but there is no 40 dollar sweatshop articles built like his stuff.

the argument about the chips being cheap then what are you paying for?. almost all provari owners already know this answer. in the case of something like the futura your again paying for attention to tolerances and high end materials like silver plated wire and barilium springs among other things..

sometimes you do actually pay for more then some cheap chip inside and for people who dont care about those things a 40 dollar mode is probably all they will ever need or want.

 

[meanckz]

make the thing in black tungsten and I'm in

 

[SissySpike]

I like Mark Bugs products, they are very well made products. If your a collector his stuff is for you if you are trying to decide weather you want a Vamo or SVD then no that kind of money will not seem reasonable. The WET is 100% a luxury item over the top unnecessary I have some extra money I don't mind spending on a ecig mod device. The same can be said for any number of things TVs, cars, purses,clothes,............. There is always high stuff for the people that can afford to buy them is it a waste? I would say yes but if you can afford it then it is not an issue.

 

[nj1001]

Just had to throw in my two cents to this thread, comparing WE with cheap n crappy Chinese mods or even higher quality moderately priced Provaris or basing it on whether they offer cheap nasty samples of juice with it, LOL!- Seriously?

Of course its expensive but you're paying for what might be the one of the highest quality devices there are. I think a big part of the high price was that they made it out of surgical grade titanium, which was a bit much in my opinion though it has the added benefit of being the lightest and perhaps one of the strongest mods there are. Mechanical SS mods go for $200 all day long with lines wrapping around the block several times over with many disappointed they still couldn't get one. Yeah you could always argue, I could buy a whole lot of cheap crappy mods for that price but thats just it, lol, I personally don't want one cheap crappy mod let alone several. The juice factor is utterly ridiculous. Anyone that likes the provape juice needs to expand their horizons, IMO, lol!
Provari is considered a relatively high end device, more moderate actually, definitely higher than whatever cheap Chinese mods have been discussed/compared to, lol, but even still, its tough to compare a $500 Titanium DNA20 to a VV Provari, lol. Its like comparing a Honda with a Ferrari. (For the record I own both a Honda and a Provari, & no other car nor a WE).

Example, anyone heard of the Hellfire atty or hybrid? You basically can't get them unless you got yourself onto a list a year ago and chances are strong you'll have to wait a year to get it unless tumbling across one very rarely in the classifieds for too much. They're considered to be the best genesis atty and the price is up there, but then again, this is the case with anything. An old beater of a car or a bicycle even can get you down the road but everyone has a finer vehicle in the back of their minds that they wish they had instead. This is the same case. I have considered getting the WAE but I like the shape of the WE more. I think the most expensive mod I ever bought was an Orion for $300 which I didn't really use or like that much because I'm not a fan of genesis atties. If I had a WE I'd use it all the time, but that price is a bit astronomical.

 

[nj1001]

it might be always sold out, but there's one for 880.00 on EBAY buy it now,,,,,,

Yeah, I just checked it out. Its not even the wizard evolved titanium (WET), its the older wizard titanium (WT). No DNA20/VW, just the older device without the chip.

 

[CommaHolly]

Yeah, I just checked it out. Its not even the wizard evolved titanium (WET), its the older wizard titanium (WT). No DNA20/VW, just the older device without the chip.

yeouch

well, I don't think I'd spend that $$, but that's just me,,,,,,,,

of course, I said that about a Provari too

 

[Ed_C]

I'm sorry nj1001 but comparing the WET to a Ferrari seems to be a bit of a stretch. There's a bit more engineering involved in making a car than a battery holder. I'm sure the WET is very nice, but it's still just a battery holder and a, more or less, off-the-shelf chip. While titanium is more expensive and harder to machine than say SS, prices have come down in recent years. I could see maybe $300-even $350, but $550 seems a bit over the top to me. That being said, if Mark Bugs can convince people that his APVs are the best of the best and worth those prices, more power to him. As for it being Ti, I think that's more about marketing than function. The structural requirements of an APV don't require that sort of strength to weight, imho

 

[Funk Dracula]

I liken this product to the "snake oil" that exists in the audiophile industry. Suckers born every minute. It's a friggin DNA20 tube.


"Frey is startlingly revealing without an oft-accompanying haze through which you also get the good and the bad. Somehow Nordost has managed to give more of the good musical information from recordings while organizing much of the jangled, messy noise right out of the playback chain."

The above quote is the description of some speaker cables that list for $2,700 bucks. I'm a music producer, but before that I actually studied Audio Engineering, and did that professionally for a living for over a decade. I know the electronics and physics that go into a reference quality transducer system, and it isn't $2,700 dollar speaker cables.

Go ahead and keep supporting this behavior... Also, give that nut-job who shall go nameless but claims he built a $150 dollar carto-tank that "will actually make your cartomizers taste better" more money for his exploitation while your at it.

A spade is a spade. I call bull....

Like I said, it's becoming a bit of a self-parody with this stuff. My only motivation by posting is to poop out some sanity amongst the discussion.

-B

 

[wonner]

I guess I'm losing my touch.

And, saddened that so few found the humor and irony in this thread.

It was my attempt to poke fun at the myriad recurring "Is ProVari worth it?" threads.

So, here are my final attempts, with something more obvious:

What is brown and sticky? a stick

How do you kill a circus? go for the juggler

 

[Mohamed]

Just had to throw in my two cents to this thread, comparing WE with cheap n crappy Chinese mods or even higher quality moderately priced Provaris or basing it on whether they offer cheap nasty samples of juice with it, LOL!- Seriously?

Of course its expensive but you're paying for what might be the one of the highest quality devices there are. I think a big part of the high price was that they made it out of surgical grade titanium, which was a bit much in my opinion though it has the added benefit of being the lightest and perhaps one of the strongest mods there are. Mechanical SS mods go for $200 all day long with lines wrapping around the block several times over with many disappointed they still couldn't get one. Yeah you could always argue, I could buy a whole lot of cheap crappy mods for that price but thats just it, lol, I personally don't want one cheap crappy mod let alone several. The juice factor is utterly ridiculous. Anyone that likes the provape juice needs to expand their horizons, IMO, lol!
Provari is considered a relatively high end device, more moderate actually, definitely higher than whatever cheap Chinese mods have been discussed/compared to, lol, but even still, its tough to compare a $500 Titanium DNA20 to a VV Provari, lol. Its like comparing a Honda with a Ferrari. (For the record I own both a Honda and a Provari, & no other car nor a WE).

Example, anyone heard of the Hellfire atty or hybrid? You basically can't get them unless you got yourself onto a list a year ago and chances are strong you'll have to wait a year to get it unless tumbling across one very rarely in the classifieds for too much. They're considered to be the best genesis atty and the price is up there, but then again, this is the case with anything. An old beater of a car or a bicycle even can get you down the road but everyone has a finer vehicle in the back of their minds that they wish they had instead. This is the same case. I have considered getting the WAE but I like the shape of the WE more. I think the most expensive mod I ever bought was an Orion for $300 which I didn't really use or like that much because I'm not a fan of genesis atties. If I had a WE I'd use it all the time, but that price is a bit astronomical.

I think the person that said they would buy it if they offered some free juice if not that was a deal breaker was being sarcastic or making a joke. It's not like free juice is going to be any kind of deal breaker to someone willing to spend $550.

 

[Thrasher]

I liken this product to the "snake oil" that exists in the audiophile industry. Suckers born every minute. It's a friggin DNA20 tube.


"Frey is startlingly revealing without an oft-accompanying haze through which you also get the good and the bad. Somehow Nordost has managed to give more of the good musical information from recordings while organizing much of the jangled, messy noise right out of the playback chain."

The above quote is the description of some speaker cables that list for $2,700 bucks. I'm a music producer, but before that I actually studied Audio Engineering, and did that professionally for a living for over a decade. I know the electronics and physics that go into a reference quality transducer system, and it isn't $2,700 dollar speaker cables.

Go ahead and keep supporting this behavior... Also, give that nut-job who shall go nameless but claims he built a $150 dollar carto-tank that "will actually make your cartomizers taste better" more money for his exploitation while your at it.

A spade is a spade. I call bull....

Like I said, it's becoming a bit of a self-parody with this stuff. My only motivation by posting is to poop out some sanity amongst the discussion.

-B

but your comparison is flawed. no one over at wizard ever said their stuff was superior or performs better then a 30 dollar ego, ever. he simply stated there is no better quality of craftmanship, no one has ever said otherwise. this isnt monster cable BS ing people by saying my mod is electronically superior, this is just straight up a luxury item and no one has ever claimed otherwise. why do people go to Jared when walmart sells diamond rings?

either your reading things wrong or misunderstanding the product this isnt a provari VS vamo type of argument and your trying to reduce it to that level.

 

[bikerbeagle]

Is the WET worth it?

The Wizard Evolved Titanium costs $550 USD and the reviews say it is a darn nice ecig

I suppose I'll be the one to state the obvious ...

What's that age-old question? ..."if you have to ask the price for something, you can't afford it".

The same can be applied here: "If you have to ask if something's value is equal to it's cost, it's not ...to you".

 

[wonner]

I think the person that said they would buy it if they offered some free juice if not that was a deal breaker was being sarcastic or making a joke. It's not like free juice is going to be any kind of deal breaker to someone willing to spend $550.

Agreed. Unless it is Five Pawns. Now we're talking some serious cash.

 

[Mohamed]

Agreed. Unless it is Five Pawns. Now we're talking some serious cash.

Never heard of them so decided to take a look. At $1.00/ml that better be some tasty stuff

 

[turbocad6]

is it "worth" it, well considering they sell out in an instant and more people are willing to pay the price than are even available then the answer simply has to be, yes, it IS worth it to those who have purchased it at least

anything is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, if you are willing to pay the price because you want it bad enough and realize that paying the price is the only way to get it then it's worth it to you. if you're not willing to pay the price then it's not worth it to you. worth is not an absolute, anything is worth it to some and not to others, there is no black and white when it comes to is something worth it... there can be no universal yes or no answer here

 

[CommaHolly]

I wish my husband would go to Jared instead of Walmart

 

[wonner]

Never heard of them so decided to take a look. At $1.00/ml that better be some tasty stuff

About 20 years ago, myself, my wife, and another couple had dinner at a restaurant and the check was $800.

Can any dinner possibly we worth $800?

I can only say, that of all the places I have ever eaten. That is the one I will always remember.

 

[CommaHolly]

About 20 years ago, myself, my wife, and another couple had dinner at a restaurant and the check was $800.

Can any dinner possibly we worth $800?

I can only say, that of all the places I have ever eaten. That is the one I will always remember.

oh holy cow,,,,,,,,,my 25th anniversary cruise didn't cost that much

 

[wonner]

oh holy cow,,,,,,,,,my 25th anniversary cruise didn't cost that much

The dessert was free.

 

[Mohamed]

The dessert was free.

And now we come full circle to the "I would buy it if they threw in some free juice" comment

That's probably why you went to the $800 restaurant...it was for the free dessert