Is this gold cap hopeless to remove from the top of my copper Nemesis????

[crxess]

Okay here goes. Get your stuff ready. Top Cap, Carto, Latex Gloves, Coffee cup, Old Carto

Heat water in cup
Attach Carto to Cap
Drop in cup - 3-5 minutes
Put on gloves
Remove carefully and quick dry Top Cap/Carto
Place on hard surface (not wood)
grip ring and apply down pressure



Ring will slide down right over carto

 

[Vaya]

Okay, here's an update of where I'm at now.

Using Ryedan's technique (see quote),

If you can move the parts this way you'll see that the small opening has opened up a bit and is likely now the large opening. If the parts are completely together it doesn't matter where you start with the first hit.

What you want to do is gently rock the parts apart, one hit at a time, always placing your separating tool where the parts are closer together. You will have to use thicker tools as the gap widens. The gentler you are with your hits, the more hits you'll have to take, but the easier it will be to get the them separated.

I've managed to ever-so-slightly separate the gold ring. Here's a rough image:

Here's an up-close:

I'm wearing latex gloves and tried the rubberband (with/without alcohol) and a paper towel with alcohol, but that cap may as well be welded to the Nemi's top cap. It won't budge whatsoever.

Here's how snug the two pieces appear to be when viewed from above:

Despite the heartening progress thus far, here is the problem that I have run into. Every time I go to jack the thinner side up, the wider spot then dips down back down again as it is located on the opposite of the cap. Therefore, I am having a type of seesaw effect where after initially getting somewhere every further movement I make only negates what I just accomplished.

Now that I am where I am... Where should I go next? I'm thinking of trying to soak it in vegetable oil now that I've opened up some more space for the oil to sink in.

Once again, to every one that has taken the time to help me... My infinite gratitude.

~ Vaya

edit: The top cap currently resides in a red tea cup submerged in 100% Olive Oil, for the moment!

Edit2:

Ring will slide down right over carto

Ah! That's amazing and. Your picture totally clarifies it for me! However, the only problem is that I don't actually own a carto, and really have no use for one outside of this project. But I suppose I could consider purchasing one to get this ring off. Are there any other types of accessories or devices that I might use in place of a carto? I can't think of any off the top of my head at the moment… But thank you so much for this recommendation, my friend.

 

[zoiDman]

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Despite the heartening progress thus far, here is the problem that I have run into. Every time I go to jack the thinner side up, the wider spot then dips down back down again as it is located on the opposite of the cap. Therefore, I am having a type of seesaw effect where after initially getting somewhere every further movement I make only negates what I just accomplished.

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When you get to the Point it will Move, but Rocks Back n' Forth, that's when you Need a Second Screwed Driver (or Something) to Wedge into the Far Side wile you Pry Up the Opposite Side.

A Feeler Gauge Set works Great for this. Because you can Easily make the Wedge Thicker and Thicker.

 

[Ryedan]

Despite the heartening progress thus far, here is the problem that I have run into. Every time I go to jack the thinner side up, the wider spot then dips down back down again as it is located on the opposite of the cap. Therefore, I am having a type of seesaw effect where after initially getting somewhere every further movement I make only negates what I just accomplished.

I understand and it makes sense to me. Get the seesawing gap fairly even and then jack between the two spots your using now.

I think you're almost there

 

[Ryedan]

When you get to the Point it will Move, but Rocks Back n' Forth, that's when you Need a Second Screwed Driver (or Something) to Wedge into the Far Side wile you Pry Up the Opposite Side.

A Feeler Gauge Set works Great for this. Because you can Easily make the Wedge Thicker and Thicker.

This is a brilliant idea and I think better than what I said in my last post. Good one zoiDman

Either way, one of them should do it for you.

 

[Vaya]

When you get to the Point it will Move, but Rocks Back n' Forth, that's when you Need a Second Screwed Driver (or Something) to Wedge into the Far Side wile you Pry Up the Opposite Side.

A Feeler Gauge Set works Great for this. Because you can Easily make the Wedge Thicker and Thicker.

This is so brilliant, THANK YOU!!! You, to, Ryedan!! You all are the bee's knees

I'll tackle this once the oil's been given a bit more of a chance to soak in.... I'm excited....

 

[crxess]

And you are not going to try this Cap/top combo again once it off, right? At least not without sanding something a bit first.

 

[zoiDman]

This is so brilliant, THANK YOU!!! You, to, Ryedan!! You all are the bee's knees

I'll tackle this once the oil's been given a bit more of a chance to soak in.... I'm excited....

When you Finally get that SOB Off, maybe you should Consider putting a Thin Coating of this on the Mating Surfaces before you Put the Darn thing Back Together.

I have NEVER had a Bolt Seize up when I have Coated the Threads with this Stuff. Even on Very Dis-Similar Metals. And nice thing is a $9.00 Bottle should last you a Lifetime.

 

[Vaya]

Okay, so, I worked the gold cap up pretty far; I began by 'place holding' various uprooted spots first with single business card pieces, then folded card pieces, twice-folded pieces, then a small paper clip, then pieces of a fatter plastic safety paper clip, on up to small Allen wrenches. It was a .....:

But thanks to all of you.......




........

! ! ! ! ! !
Happened 3 minutes ago. I'm just in reflective awe. You all helped so much

It's not even dinged up too badly...mi softened the rocking motion of the screwdriver against the copper with a small square of a business card (see picture).

So much love to this community. Couldn't be happier. C'est impossible.

And you are not going to try this Cap/top combo again once it off, right? At least not without sanding something a bit first.

Not if it meant saving a kitten
Out of curiosity, though, if I were to want to try to use the replacement gold cap the company sent me, what part of that would I sand? The inner circle's metallic sides??

When you Finally get that SOB Off, maybe you should Consider putting a Thin Coating of this on the Mating Surfaces before you Put the Darn thing Back Together.

I have NEVER had a Bolt Seize up when I have Coated the Threads with this Stuff. Even on Very Dis-Similar Metals. And nice thing is a $9.00 Bottle should last you a Lifetime.

Very interesting; I'm unfamiliar with the term 'mating surfaces,' though? Most probably where two surfaces touch, but would that include both the inner surface of the ring as well as the bottom surface?

Also, is that general hardware store type stuff in terms of tracking it down?

Gratefully,

~ Vaya

 

[zoiDman]

Okay, so, I worked the gold cap up pretty far; I began by 'place holding' various uprooted spots first with single business card pieces, then folded card pieces, twice-folded pieces, then a small paper clip, then pieces of a fatter plastic safety paper clip, on up to small Allen wrenches. It was a .....:

But thanks to all of you.......




........

! ! ! ! ! !
Happened 3 minutes ago. I'm just in reflective awe. You all helped so much

It's not even dinged up too badly...mi softened the rocking motion of the screwdriver against the copper with a small square of a business card (see picture).

So much love to this community. Couldn't be happier. C'est impossible.




Gratefully,

~ Vaya

Well Good Deal. It looks like Clean Living Triumphed Again.

It's Extremely Cool the Way Total Strangers can Collectively Work out a Problem all over an Internet Forum.

Now are you going to get out some 800/1200 Sandpaper or a Scotchbrite Pad and Dial in the Fit like crsess said?

 

[weinner]

I don't see any reason that you couldn't use some fine grit sandpaper (wet) and a Scotch-Brite pad on the inside of the afc ring and the outside of top cap to fix the problem.

Edit: oops, didn't see the above post.

 

[crxess]

1) don't think I'd use the Permatek around an Air Flow area. Heat + inhaling might not be good.(not sure)

2) I would lightly sand the Mods 510 area(remove o-ring while sanding)
Save the Smooth Gold finish as is.
Wipe the o-ring with vasoline and wipe off with a napkin then re-install.

Best of luck!

 

[zoiDman]

1) don't think I'd use the Permatek around an Air Flow area. Heat + inhaling might not be good.(not sure)

2) I would lightly sand the Mods 510 area(remove o-ring while sanding)
Save the Smooth Gold finish as is.
Wipe the o-ring with vasoline and wipe off with a napkin then re-install.

Best of luck!

Yeah... I don't think that there is Anything in that Permatek Ant-Seize that would be Harmful. Probably Better Safe than Sorry though.